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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #425 on: July 15, 2021, 12:14:19 AM »
Have you been looking at Combatreform again . . . ?   ;D


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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #426 on: August 16, 2021, 02:34:58 AM »
Random idea:  Wheeled M113
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #427 on: August 16, 2021, 03:10:02 AM »
A wheeled M113 has been on my Whif-list for a while. Either use the existing suspension arms or borrow 6 wheels & suspension from an existing kit.

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #428 on: August 16, 2021, 04:17:57 AM »
A wheeled M113 has been on my Whif-list for a while. Either use the existing suspension arms or borrow 6 wheels & suspension from an existing kit.


Six or eight wheels?
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #429 on: August 17, 2021, 12:53:06 AM »
Depends upon the wheel size
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #430 on: August 17, 2021, 03:10:16 AM »
8x8 twin steer

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #431 on: August 17, 2021, 03:34:58 AM »
Not quite a M113 but this might provide some ideas:

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #432 on: August 31, 2021, 01:10:44 AM »
From 2009:  The Italian company of ARIS SpA (Applicazioni Rielaborazioni Impianti Speciali) has developed, as a private venture, a special kit to improve the amphibious capability of the M113 series full-tracked armoured personnel carrier. ARIS has developed an oceanic kit that transforms the M113 APC in a fully Amphibious Landing Vehicle, named ARISGATOR. Main parts of navigation kit are: the bow, to improve M113 floating ability and hydrodynamic penetration, the sterns incorporating two separate controlled propellers that allow high manoeuvrability in navigation up to a complete spin on Arisgator vertical axis. During navigation, the original air intake system is automatically excluded and a snorkel system on the top of the vehicle is activated. In this configuration, ARISGATOR is able to carry safely eight fully equipped soldiers plus the driver. ARISGATOR can safely navigate in open sea even in considerable rough conditions, showing a very low profile above the water and maintaining the same performance on land as the original M113 APC.

More on the ARISGATOR:

https://www.aris-spa.it/difesa/ammodernamento-sistemi/arisgatorval/?lang=en
https://www.ftsbelgium.com/downloads/
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #433 on: August 31, 2021, 03:35:06 PM »
Not a silly idea for a military on a tight budget. :smiley:
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #435 on: September 04, 2021, 07:20:40 AM »
I remember looking at this beast during the Firefighting GB. Good use of an M548  :smiley:

As the Popular Mechanics article notes, Hyneman chose the M548 to dodge private ownership restrictions on armoured vehicles. One thing that puzzles me, though, is relative ground pressure. You'd think that an M548 would produce less ground pressure than an M113. But its the reverse - 9.4 psi for the M548 versus the M113's 7.3 psi.

I know it is aluminum, but I'd have guessed that the M113's thick armour would weigh a lot more than the mild steel body work of a roofless M548  ???
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #436 on: September 04, 2021, 04:42:05 PM »
Is the ground pressure calculated empty or fully loaded? If fully loaded, that would make the M548 heavier.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #437 on: September 06, 2021, 07:40:26 AM »
It’s likely that is based on the weight with a standard operational load, otherwise it would easy to
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #438 on: September 06, 2021, 10:27:12 AM »
It’s likely that is based on the weight with a standard operational load...

And perhaps that is the answer. As a cargo carrier, a typical load for the M548 would likely be heavier than an APC's.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #439 on: September 10, 2021, 04:38:09 AM »
Plus the 548's track is slightly longer, therefore greater footprint, but more weight. Its close to 113, but a bit heavier. I would have thought the roof on the M113 would have made it weight more than the 548, but nope. 

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #440 on: June 01, 2022, 02:49:49 AM »
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #441 on: September 11, 2022, 01:17:54 AM »
When the FV101 Scorpion were withdrawn from service in 1995 due to the toxicity hazard in the crew compartment caused when the main armament was fired, they were then remanufactured into the Sabre variant, with the turret from a Fox Armoured Reconnaissance Vehicle with the same 30mm RARDEN cannon as the Scimitar.  What if around the same time, instead of retiring their similarly armed (to the Scorpion - same turrets in fact) M113MRVs, the Australian Army decided to go with something similar as part of the M113AS4 upgrade?  I am thinking the result would look somewhat akin to the F432-30:

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #442 on: September 11, 2022, 01:34:22 AM »
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #443 on: September 12, 2022, 04:58:05 PM »
Sadly, the M-113 may end up outlasting the ASLAV in the RAAC.  Maybe the life extension of the life extension of the RAAC M-113 could include surplus ASLAV turrets?

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #444 on: September 13, 2022, 12:39:09 AM »
Sadly, the M-113 may end up outlasting the ASLAV in the RAAC.

If it does it will be because there are other higher priorities.
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #445 on: September 13, 2022, 01:36:56 AM »
Taking my idea above further, look here:



https://accurate-armour.com/aa-products/135th-conversion-sets/c110

I wonder how well this could be fitted to a M113 kit?
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #446 on: September 13, 2022, 01:38:12 AM »
Of course another idea might be to fit a Swingfire launcher to the M113:



https://accurate-armour.com/aa-products/135th-conversion-sets/c111
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #447 on: September 13, 2022, 02:15:19 AM »
And in a similar vein, the real works M113A2 Mk I DK with 25mm cannon:



also available in conversion kit form:



https://accurate-armour.com/aa-products/135th-conversion-sets/c080

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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #448 on: September 13, 2022, 02:50:04 AM »
Some M113 Air Defence proposals:






Includes use of IRIS-T missile
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Re: M113 Family of Vehicles
« Reply #449 on: September 13, 2022, 04:00:17 PM »
Sadly, the M-113 may end up outlasting the ASLAV in the RAAC.

If it does it will be because there are other higher priorities.

Yes like deployable barber and sunglass shops to support RAAF operations  ;)

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