Author Topic: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV (Read 76081 times)

apophenia · « **Reply #25 on:** March 31, 2012, 10:08:55 AM »

I rather like the look of the recent Rheinmetall IFV upgrade but there's not much of the original Marder left recognizable except the wheels and track. So, what's a modeller to do?

How about putting wheels underneath the remaining Marder upper hull?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #26 on:** March 31, 2012, 01:32:00 PM »

ChernayaAkula · « **Reply #27 on:** April 18, 2012, 08:10:48 AM »

Picking up the Marder SPAAG theme again, here's a model Diethelm Berlage (mentioned earlier in this thread) built of an actually proposed Marder SPAAG. Of course, it wasn't adopted.

On the left is a Marder in Barracuda netting and the thing without turret on the right is a gunnery range "referee tank".
I took the pic at the 6th DPMV Konvent (see more pics HERE).
Too bad we only dropped by Diethelm's display when he was already packing up, so I only got this pic. The Begleitpanzer he built was already stashed in the car. Chatted with him for a couple of minutes , though. Really nice guy. :) Said he built forty(!) Marders so far.

EDIT: Just found an actual pic of the Marder SPAAG!

dy031101 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 18, 2012, 08:14:33 AM »

Quote from: apophenia on March 30, 2012, 12:19:05 PM

In the other hemisphere, TAP was to be a tank derivative on the stretched VCA Palmaria hull.

Is it a real (as in on paper) proposal?

ChernayaAkula · « **Reply #29 on:** April 18, 2012, 08:22:04 AM »

^ I think so. I think there's a pic of it in THIS BOOK. I'm not sure, though, and I don't remember whether it was just a drawing or a pic of a mock-up.

Feldmarschall Zod · « **Reply #30 on:** April 20, 2012, 06:00:40 AM »

I wonder if the turret from the M24 Chaffee would fit onto the Marder? Or maybe the Sd.Kfz 234/2 Puma turret? This giveth me some ideas.

apophenia · « **Reply #31 on:** April 21, 2012, 10:23:43 AM »

Quote from: dy031101 on April 18, 2012, 08:14:33 AM

Is it a real (as in on paper) proposal?

Yes, a real project but no prototype (or mock-up AFAIK). The final variation had an up-armoured turret much like the Leopard 2A5. A rough translation:

"TAP (Tanque Argentino Pesado)

In the middle of the '80s, TAMSE began development of a TAM successor of the TAM for the '90s, the Tanque Argentino Pesado (Heavy Argentine Tank). TAP would incorporate 65% TAM components but would be better protected, have improved electronics, and a 120mm Reinmetall L/44 gun. TAP would have a lengthened chassis (with seven roadwheels instead of six) and a more powerful, domestically-produced engine if possible.

TAP would weigh in the order of the 51.5 tons. Despite the economic problems of the '80s, the TAP project advanced well. Unfortunately for TAMSE, the Exército Argentino showed no interest in TAP. TAMSE looked abroad for clients and Iran was interested (along with TAM and VCTP) but export permission was not granted. With no expectations of production, TAMSE then abandoned the TAP project."

Re: that Dragon SPAAG, does anyone know for certain what 30mm guns TAMSE was proposing?

dy031101 · « **Reply #32 on:** April 21, 2012, 10:55:36 AM »

Actually its configuration sounds rather like that of the Merkava...

... "ambutank" TAP?

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #33 on:** November 17, 2012, 01:52:50 AM »

Quote from: The Zod on April 20, 2012, 06:00:40 AM

I wonder if the turret from the M24 Chaffee would fit onto the Marder? Or maybe the Sd.Kfz 234/2 Puma turret? This giveth me some ideas.

Fitting the turret from the M24 Chaffee or maybe the turret from the Scimitar or Scorpion to create something more contemporary. Or how about a Scorpion turret fitted with the 75mm gun from the M24 Chaffee? All that needs to be done is to cut a hole large enough for the turret to fit and that should not be an issue.

Now for something I just found this morning over on the Track-Link forums that was built by Diethelm Berlage based on a concept for a Canadian Marder called the CCV (Close Combat Vehicle). Diethelm kitbashed a Marder with the Delco 25mm turret from the LAV/MOWAG Piranha to create his CCV which you can view at this link at the Track-Link forums: CCV Marten (Marder)

Track-Link will not allow hot-linking images so you have to go there to see the finished model.

More of Diethelm's work can be seen at this link to his models in the Track-Link gallery

apophenia · « **Reply #34 on:** November 17, 2012, 06:51:18 AM »

Great to see it built! And Herr Berlage was right, the original retouched on CASR was based on an Argentinian VCTP hull.

Volkodav · « **Reply #35 on:** April 05, 2014, 02:21:01 PM »

Quote from: apophenia on March 31, 2012, 10:08:55 AM

I rather like the look of the recent Rheinmetall IFV upgrade but there's not much of the original Marder left recognizable except the wheels and track. So, what's a modeller to do?

How about putting wheels underneath the remaining Marder upper hull?

The wheeled Marder looks great, at first I thought it was a Boxer with a Marder Turret, which raises an idea or two.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #36 on:** May 25, 2014, 04:43:00 AM »

How about a Marder as a dedicated anti-tank/anti personal vehicle with a turret akin to the Terminator BMPT?

Weaver · « **Reply #37 on:** May 25, 2014, 09:00:27 AM »

Firefighting versions in use by a German company:


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dy031101 · « **Reply #38 on:** June 01, 2014, 02:05:23 AM »

Quote from: apophenia on April 21, 2012, 10:23:43 AM

Quote from: dy031101 on April 18, 2012, 08:14:33 AM
Is it a real (as in on paper) proposal?

Yes, a real project but no prototype (or mock-up AFAIK). The final variation had an up-armoured turret much like the Leopard 2A5.

I am really inclined to wonder if it's to merely be a turret patterned after that of the Leopard 2 or it is to precisely be a licence-built Leopard 2 turret......

Marderman · « **Reply #39 on:** June 12, 2015, 10:29:28 PM »

Hello,
after show my Marder-collection here in the "physical models" now I show some project. First the argentinian Tam-tank. Some years long they will modernisation the TAM. Perhaps old turrets from german Leo 2 on longer TAM or chassis from the VCA. I check it with my models some years ago.

Sometimes it was the idea to put old Merkava-turreds on the TAM.

But the real is only a short-modernisation. The new tank called "TAM2c" (second generation). Oh yes, some parts look israeli. I will build this tank later.
But now I will finished these Marder-projects:

Marder APC "Marder evolution vehicle family":

And a test vehicle with a early lance-turret. It is the same system like in the PUMA

I hope, you like this,
Didi from germany

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #40 on:** June 13, 2015, 04:19:34 AM »

Any plans t do some of the TAM developments, such as the VCLC:

Marderman · « **Reply #41 on:** June 14, 2015, 12:11:26 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on June 13, 2015, 04:19:34 AM

Any plans t do some of the TAM developments,

Plans? You mean my plan? You don´t see them:

apophenia · « **Reply #42 on:** June 14, 2015, 04:42:35 AM »

Great stuff, Didi! I love the Lance turret conversion. Any idea of a name/designation for the RWS version?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #43 on:** June 14, 2015, 04:52:23 AM »

Marderman · « **Reply #44 on:** June 14, 2015, 04:45:18 PM »

Quote from: apophenia on June 14, 2015, 04:42:35 AM

Any idea of a name/designation for the RWS version?

You mean the weapon station on the APC? First I need it from Revell´s Boxer. Than I see, in real it is the "M151 Protector", and it is a seperate kit from AFV-club for their strykers.

apophenia · « **Reply #45 on:** June 16, 2015, 10:59:51 AM »

Diethelm: I meant the Marder variant that the M151 was mounted on ... but photos from EuroSatory 2012 clearly show 'MARDER APC' marked on the side of the vehicle

So, with the OTO-turreted Marder MBT, this makes Rheinmetall's Marder Evolution Vehicle Family?

Marderman · « **Reply #46 on:** June 17, 2015, 04:22:46 PM »

How I know, the family contains 3 versions. The APC, MBT and the CCV. The CCV was only shown on the IDEX 2011(?).
These Marders are not new tanks, only old tanks from stock and modernises. They are old A3 versions, not A5.
MBT

APC

CCV

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #47 on:** August 16, 2015, 06:17:47 AM »

Some cool Puma images:

Old Wombat · « **Reply #48 on:** August 16, 2015, 09:37:03 PM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on August 16, 2015, 06:17:47 AM

All you need to do is run that one through a red filter (I don't have photoshop) & you've got yourself a Mars-scape!

Zaskar24 · « **Reply #49 on:** August 17, 2015, 08:31:40 AM »

Those are some great pictures of the Puma in motion. I really like the looks of it.


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Author Topic: Marder IFV, TAM, and Puma IFV (Read 76081 times)