Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Land => Topic started by: ysi_maniac on July 20, 2021, 02:23:42 AM
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Very interesting projects in this thread IMO ...
https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Brazilian-Tanks.php (https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Brazilian-Tanks.php)
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Top left: 2 Bernardini X1A1 and X1A2
Right: 3 Tamoyo 1,2, and 3
Bottom left: 2 Osório EE-T1 and EE-T2
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/Brazil_armour.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/e58f1c54-aee2-42c9-bc15-f72ec22af374/p/06a46ae5-8f29-49e1-96fc-753fbeea1273)
Different sources may differ in some details. Please be free to post your comments.
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Brazil has been rumoured to wanting M1 Abrams for some time so maybe...
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Brazil has been rumoured to wanting M1 Abrams for some time so maybe...
There's some irony there Greg, for as I've read It's very odd that Saudi Arabia gave the go-ahead for the development and R&D phase of the EE-T1 at a cost US$100 million.
In August 1989, the Saudi Government announced an order for 318 Osorios (renamed Al Fahd, Lion Of The Desert) worth US$7.2 billion, the contract was never signed by Saudi Arabia.
The fact that the Engesa Osório EE-T1 out performed the original 105mm M1 Abrams [I appreciate the modern 120mm M1A1 is far superior in capability to the original 105mm M1!], when Saudi Arabia conducted a competitive trail of M1 Abrams, Challenger 1, AMX-40 and the Osorio. Even though the Osorio emerged as a winner in September 1989, the decision was taken by the Saudis to instead in secrecy purchase the M1 Abrams, to replace their AMX-30's.
I found this video interesting:
https://youtu.be/FSEwiEEwIT4
MAD
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Yeah, I've seen that video before. One has to remember that decisions on arms acquisitions aren't purely technical in nature. Re the technical ability of the Engesa Osório EE-T1, the turrets were designed by Vickers who also did that for the Challenger II so not surprising that the performance was high - recommend you watch this one re that to give an appreciation: https://youtu.be/re-zMIOtSk0 (https://youtu.be/re-zMIOtSk0)
some other info: http://id3486.securedata.net/fprado/armorsite/EE-T1-Osorio.htm (http://id3486.securedata.net/fprado/armorsite/EE-T1-Osorio.htm)
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- recommend you watch this one re that to give an appreciation: [url]https://youtu.be/re-zMIOtSk0[/url] ([url]https://youtu.be/re-zMIOtSk0[/url])
some other info: [url]http://id3486.securedata.net/fprado/armorsite/EE-T1-Osorio.htm[/url] ([url]http://id3486.securedata.net/fprado/armorsite/EE-T1-Osorio.htm[/url])
Thanks mate, I'll check them out 👍
MAD
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Let's add in some non-tracked AFVs here such as the following:
EE-3 Jararaca: https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Brazil/EE-3_jararaca.php (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Brazil/EE-3_jararaca.php)
(https://photo.weaponsystems.net/image/s-carousel/n-ve_sct_ee3_o1.jpg/--/img/ws/ve_sct_ee3_o1.jpg)
EE-9 Cascavel: https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Brazil/EE-9_cascavel.php (https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Brazil/EE-9_cascavel.php)
(http://www.military-today.com/apc/ee_9_cascavel.jpg)
EE-11 Urutu: https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Brazil/EE-11-urutu.php (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Brazil/EE-11-urutu.php)
(http://www.military-today.com/apc/ee11_urutu.jpg)
As to models, I believe there are a few out, though not a lot.
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... As to models, I believe there are a few out, though not a lot.
A few ...
EE-9 Cascavel - 1/72 Armada Hobby resin kit (discontinued but available)
-- https://www.modelimex.com/172-ee-9-cascavel-i-resin-kit-pe-parts-armw72011 (https://www.modelimex.com/172-ee-9-cascavel-i-resin-kit-pe-parts-armw72011)
EE-9 Cascavel - 1/48 Shapeways 3D printed by Small Scale Shop (Luis Glehn)
- Also available in 1/200, 1/144, 1/87 1/87 1/87
-- https://www.shapeways.com/product/HCBNJU3S9/036h-ee-9-cascavel-1-48 (https://www.shapeways.com/product/HCBNJU3S9/036h-ee-9-cascavel-1-48)
EE-9 Cascavel - 1/35 Electric Products resin kit
-- http://www.warwheels.net/EE9Cascavel4MODELdelattre.html (http://www.warwheels.net/EE9Cascavel4MODELdelattre.html)
EE-11 Urutu - 1/72 Armada Hobby resin kit with PE
- As UN (Haiti), HMG APC, TD (90 mm Cockerill), ARV, or Ambulance variants
-- https://www.scale-model-kits.com/manufacturers/Armada-Hobby.html (https://www.scale-model-kits.com/manufacturers/Armada-Hobby.html)
EE-11 Urutu - 1/48 Shapeways 3D printed by Small Scale Shop (Luis Glehn)
- Also available in smaller scales (but not 1/72)
-- https://www.shapeways.com/product/UYXQ56DJ3/006f-ee-11-urutu-1-48 (https://www.shapeways.com/product/UYXQ56DJ3/006f-ee-11-urutu-1-48)
AFAIK, there is no EE-3 Jararaca kit in any scale. Nor is there a 1/35 Urutu ... I'm surprised that Electric Products hasn't done one since it would share plenty of parts with their EE-9.
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EE-9 Cascavel - 1/35 Electric Products resin kit
-- [url]http://www.warwheels.net/EE9Cascavel4MODELdelattre.html[/url] ([url]http://www.warwheels.net/EE9Cascavel4MODELdelattre.html[/url])
I've seen that one too but where does one source it?
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I'd be very interested in finding more information/drawings/pictures of the Engesa Uruvel - by all accounts a modified EE-11 Urutu that was developed and marketed for a US Army program during the 1980s aimed at creating a multi-purpose, air-portable wheeled armoured vehicle capable of delivering direct fire support as needed. It was a baseline Urutu modified with a large turret ring to accommodate the Cockerill Mk.III 90 mm cannon and EC-90 turret of the EE-9 Cascavel. The Uruvel was first publicly unveiled in 1985; it could seat four infantrymen in addition to a driver and two-man turret crew.
I'm contemplating this Uruvel as a candidate for my Alternative ADF ORBAT
MAD
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... Cockerill Mk.III 90 mm cannon and EC-90 turret of the EE-9 Cascavel...
Information on that Uruvel (I've also seen it as Uravel) in the proverbial hen's teeth M.A.D!
One minor correction (based on my Engesa designation list over on Secret Projects), EC-90 (for Engesa Canhão - 90 mm) was the designation of the licensed Cockerill gun built by Engesa subsidiary Engex. The turret - also fitted to some EE-9s, as you noted - was designated ET-90 (for Engesa Torre - 90 mm) turret for the Uruvel (and used on the Mk IV EE-9) was armed with an EC-90 As you suggested, this a (Salvador, Bahia).
How good the Uruvel would be depends upon your assessment of its 'boomerang' rear axle arrangement (shared with the Urutú and Cascavel). Engesa put a lot of effort into refining that double-axle 'boomerang' but it was still an evolution of 1943 M8 Greyhound technology.
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Back to tracked vehicles, I give you the EE-T4 OGUM: http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4492.html (http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4492.html)
(https://www.forte.jor.br/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ee-t4_ogum-versoes1.jpg)(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lA8RfPQlRek/T6xoUyPHboI/AAAAAAAAAOo/X4MiTcSdzXU/s400/7.jpg)
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Interesting Urutu MAA-1 Piranha:
(https://i-com.cdn.gaijin.net/monthly_2020_08/image.png.915a6a5a94b346beab793bddeedbb46c.png)
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How good the Uruvel would be depends upon your assessment of its 'boomerang' rear axle arrangement (shared with the Urutú and Cascavel). Engesa put a lot of effort into refining that double-axle 'boomerang' but it was still an evolution of 1943 M8 Greyhound technology.
Speaking of the Boomerang suspension, see here: https://jipeseforasdeestrada.blogspot.com/2018/04/engesa-2.html
And shown well here:
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LwbtMvGP5k4/T67MmC_gz9I/AAAAAAAAArw/DeATI4xkwNA/s400/EE-17+06.jpg)
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I'd be very interested in finding more information/drawings/pictures of the Engesa Uruvel - by all accounts a modified EE-11 Urutu that was developed and marketed for a US Army program during the 1980s aimed at creating a multi-purpose, air-portable wheeled armoured vehicle capable of delivering direct fire support as needed. It was a baseline Urutu modified with a large turret ring to accommodate the Cockerill Mk.III 90 mm cannon and EC-90 turret of the EE-9 Cascavel. The Uruvel was first publicly unveiled in 1985; it could seat four infantrymen in addition to a driver and two-man turret crew.
I'm contemplating this Uruvel as a candidate for my Alternative ADF ORBAT
MAD
See Hydracobra (sounds like a toy...):
(http://www.planobrazil.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Bell-Hydracobra-em-francês-1.jpg)
(https://www.planobrazil.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Hydracobra-variants-1.jpg)
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There is/was also the EE-17/EE-18 Sucuri Tank Destroyer:
(https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lexicarbrasil.com.br%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F10%2Fengesa8.jpg&hash=ab4ff20e22a76742eee029001ccafcab)
(https://defence.pk/pdf/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.military-today.com%2Fartillery%2Fee_18_sucuri.jpg&hash=d4f27a6c9b5aef56808847f9fe940c63)
https://www.military-today.com/artillery/ee_18_sucuri.htm (https://www.military-today.com/artillery/ee_18_sucuri.htm)
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Interesting Urutu MAA-1 Piranha:
(https://i-com.cdn.gaijin.net/monthly_2020_08/image.png.915a6a5a94b346beab793bddeedbb46c.png)
Yes, I like this Urutu MAA-1 Piranha combination a lot GTX!!!
Do you think you could do a profile of this Urutu MAA-1 Piranha combination ysi_maniac?
MAD
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Brazil has been rumoured to wanting M1 Abrams for some time so maybe...
There's some irony there Greg, for as I've read It's very odd that Saudi Arabia gave the go-ahead for the development and R&D phase of the EE-T1 at a cost US$100 million.
In August 1989, the Saudi Government announced an order for 318 Osorios (renamed Al Fahd, Lion Of The Desert) worth US$7.2 billion, the contract was never signed by Saudi Arabia.
The fact that the Engesa Osório EE-T1 out performed the original 105mm M1 Abrams [I appreciate the modern 120mm M1A1 is far superior in capability to the original 105mm M1!], when Saudi Arabia conducted a competitive trail of M1 Abrams, Challenger 1, AMX-40 and the Osorio. Even though the Osorio emerged as a winner in September 1989, the decision was taken by the Saudis to instead in secrecy purchase the M1 Abrams, to replace their AMX-30's.
I found this video interesting:
https://youtu.be/FSEwiEEwIT4
MAD
Thought this pic would be interesting.....
MAD
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Sure! :smiley:
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EE-9 Cascavel with add-on armour package
(https://defenceredefined.com.cy/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/HHDI5-1024x512-1.jpg)
SOURCE (https://defenceredefined.com.cy/brazil-is-interested-in-modernizing-the-ee-9-cascavel-6x6-fleet-what-about-the-national-guard/)
EE-9 Cascavel wit TORC 30 unmanned turret
(https://tecnodefesa.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Cascavel_ARES_Equitron_TORC30c-696x522.jpg)
SOURCE (https://tecnodefesa.com.br/laad-2019-ares-aeroespacial-e-equitron-criam-um-demonstrador-cascavel-torc30/)
The TORC30 system allows remote operation of a Rheinmetall MK30-2 / ABM 30mm cannon, mounted on an armored vehicle, stabilized in direction and elevation with the vehicle in movement, observing and identifying land and air targets with the use of camera and monitor , and carrying out the aim and the arms firing from a remote control station inside the vehicle.