Beyond The Sprues

Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: Daryl J. on February 10, 2012, 12:22:28 PM

Title: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
Post by: Daryl J. on February 10, 2012, 12:22:28 PM

British Maryland utilizing the same underwing cannon as the Hurricane IID with either two under each wing, or if that is impossible, one under each wing and either two or three in as small a pod as possible directly beneath the bomb bay which would be converted for shell storage.    Middlestone/Dark Earth/etc.   

Attack the Panzers in N. Africa!     


Gun nosed Maryland, say 20mm's, and USAF SEA Vietnam.

Coastal Command with depth charges in the bomb bay and rockets underwing.

Title: Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 11, 2012, 03:03:13 AM

Like all the suggestions.

Another one:  RAAF, in these schemes:

(http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/22061/SH_Boomerang_Colour_1.jpg)

Or maybe a floatplane...

Title: Twin-forties in the nose??
Post by: sequoiaranger on February 11, 2012, 07:42:06 AM

I suggest rather than in the wings (too far outboard), place the twin S-guns in the nose....

Here is something I made that LOOKS kinda like a 1/72 Baltimore with twin forties over-and-under in a "solid" nose, but actually it's a scale-o-rama 1/100 Hampden plus "stuff".


(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/Handley-PageHelvetican01-r.jpg)

Title: Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
Post by: jcf on February 11, 2012, 02:57:02 PM

I'd say that realistically the Martin 167 forward fuselage was probably too small for a twin S-gun installation, plus you'd choke the pilot on the cordite fumes.
 ;)

(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/XA-22_16.jpg)

Title: Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
Post by: elmayerle on February 11, 2012, 03:22:56 PM

Hmm, a multiple (2 or more) S-gun pallet replacing the bomb bay doors with ammo in the bomb bay (well, it would *still* be a weapons bay) plus four or five rocket rails per side outboard of the prop disks?  Perhaps adding a larger, crew-served, weapon in the nose?

Title: Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
Post by: Daryl J. on February 14, 2012, 03:53:09 AM

Could a firewall be installed in front of the pilot to keep the smoke out  or was the second pilot mandatory? 

Title: Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
Post by: jcf on February 14, 2012, 07:24:57 AM

Great coverage on the Martin XA-22 at the USAF Museum site, including 15 great photos:
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=3011 (http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=3011)

Title: Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
Post by: Daryl J. on February 14, 2012, 07:29:01 AM

Thanks.  :)

Title: Martin XA22 and/or 167 Maryland
Post by: sequoiaranger on February 14, 2012, 08:03:27 AM

The website/photos were great! I noticed the top turret was "retractable" and a sliding door could close over it. I guess the actual production military version did away with that sliding door??

Also--discovered that only ONE pilot in WW II became an ace flying "bombers"--yes, it was in a Martin 167!!!

Title: Re: Martin XA22 and/or 167 Maryland
Post by: jcf on February 14, 2012, 02:04:47 PM

Quote from: sequoiaranger on February 14, 2012, 08:03:27 AM

The website/photos were great! I noticed the top turret was "retractable" and a sliding door could close over it. I guess the actual production military version did away with that sliding door??

Also--discovered that only ONE pilot in WW II became an ace flying "bombers"--yes, it was in a Martin 167!!!

Hi Craig,
if you look closely at the centreline drawing you'll see that the turret hinged down and aft
when retracted. The production versions had a more conventional position.

BTW, the chief designer on the Model 167 was James S. McDonnell.

Jon

Title: Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 18, 2012, 12:41:39 PM

Definitely like the idea of solid nosed variants of either with lots of machine guns.

Title: Re: Martin Maryland and/or Baltimore
Post by: jcf on February 19, 2012, 12:54:42 PM

Real-world Baltimore proposals (text only no illustrations):
USAAF XA-23, R-3350 engines;
Anti-shipping, stretched fuselage incorporating increased fuel tankage and internal torpedo bay;
Multi-gun solid-nose ground attack;
Heavy long-range fighter.

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