Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on December 11, 2011, 03:13:56 PM
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Hi folks,
This thread is for posting your ideas for Arado Ar-234 Blitz and Heinkel He-343 creations.
To start with, how about this '50s era Ar234F (with the real world Ar-234B-2 included for comparison):
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/AR234F-2.jpg)
Regards,
Greg
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One of those things that makes you stop for a moment and ponder the concept. Maybe the next interpretation could see the cockpit located closer to where the wing leading joins the fuselage.
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That is a great idea and opens a lot of possibilities (modernising first generation jets...)
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Maybe more a customized Do-335 than an Arado 234 whif, it combines several kits (hence the "E Pluribus Unum" statement). The idea is a "Furhermachine" to escape being trapped in Berlin. Hitler gets to sit up front, Goering is in ostensibly the pilot's seat (but with dummy controls), but Hanna Reich is actually flying the plane from the upper cockpit. There are twin Jumo jets on each wing, but the prop in the tail is the "cruising" engine to get them all economically safely to Spain with limited fuel (jets are engaged only when evasion speed is necessary)
(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/MeinFlucht02.jpg)
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Tree dude! Sweet concept. May be scale o rama'd the wrong way though.
Here is an old build of mine with Arado engines on a 335 both in 1/48
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh50/sotoolslinger/F-7%20T%20Warthog/IMG_0216.jpg)
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh50/sotoolslinger/F-7%20T%20Warthog/IMG_0219.jpg)
Here is the bucket
http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh50/sotoolslinger/F-7%20T%20Warthog/
I know different model brands of so called same scale vary wildly but the engines in your profile look too small.
Course it's a whiff so who cares. I know your kind of a stickler though so I thought I would show what Arado engines look like on a 335.
Your profile makes me wish I had put that Arado nose on.
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Congratulations to both the designer and the modeller!
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Sotoolslinger,
Quite the monster-brute Do-335 you have there! Not that subtlety was ever your strong point! ;D
If I'm not mistaken, I think I also see a Sotoolslinger Works item in the website's header, over on the right.
>but the engines in your profile look too small.<
The crudely-photoshopped "Mein Flucht" ("My Escape") drawing may be off-scale a bit. It is just a rough-concept sketch. I have the requisite kits I need. I actually hope to have it "rail-launched" with heavy rocket-pack assist (rails and rocket packs courtesy of an old Revell "Snark" kit). The platform steps leading up to the Furher's seat will have the names of (formerly) conquered countries on them, so they can be under Hitler's jackboot one last time before he departs the Germany that let him down. In my backstory, certain critical parts of the launch system are made from slave-labor and deliberately sabotaged, so that after the bungled attempt at escape Hitler is so despondent that he decides on suicide.
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Since the Ar 234C is a better bomber...... what of the surplus earlier model?
(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab22/dy031101/Parallel%20World%20and%20What-if/ar234_interceptor.jpg)
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Intrigued by the initial post, and thought I'd have a play with it. I took a slice out of the fuselage and deepened the spine a little. I like the shortened engine pods, so retained them.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f205/markjones980/Profiling%20Blanks/ar.jpg)
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I think, that it would look better with longer engine pods. Also, engines shuld be "glued" to the fuselage, something like Alpha Jet. Also, give it a wider wing, for more load.
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Different! The engines are actually supposed to be advanced Heinkel HeS 011 variants. The basic idea was for an Ar234 variant something along the lines of a B-57B or Canberra B(I)8 - i.e. an interdictor variant with cannon belly pack.
I like your sleeker version too.
Regards,
Greg
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Whilst on the theme of Ar-234s based upon the B-57, how about a version based upon the RB-57F?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/USAF_WB-57F_In_Flight.jpg/606px-USAF_WB-57F_In_Flight.jpg)
Regards,
Greg
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Whilst messing about with the line drawing, I couldnt help thinking about Clunks and Pucaras ???. I reckon if you messed too much with the original idea it would morph into a Clunk/Cranberry.
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I have had this idea for a while concerning the Ar-234 that involves folding wings and a tail hook for a naval aircraft to use aboard an aircraft carrier. Colors and markings as yet to be determined.
Whilst messing about with the line drawing, I couldnt help thinking about Clunks and Pucaras ???. I reckon if you messed too much with the original idea it would morph into a Clunk/Cranberry.
What would be interesting to see is a Canberra with the engines mounted up against the fuselage. I suppose that would create an issue on where to place the main landing gear. Maybe give it tandem gear like the B-47 and Vatour? With outrigger wheels somewhere near the wing tips?
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You guys at this site got the ideas. Proposed 234 variants and Marine one are great. Marine one is my kinda bashing. Agree on the 234's, have 1/72 kits of different brands and fuselage width varies. Cut one up and am using it building a bash right now.
Bill
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Long range, high altitude Ar-234R-2/U-2 recon with rocket motor for high altitude climb and boost:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/Ar-234R-2_U-2.jpg)
Regards,
Greg
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How about a piston engined version?
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/ar234b2prop.jpg)
Regards,
Greg
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Something I quickly put together - an Ar234 with scaled up outer wings from a Me262:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/SwAR234.jpg)
Regards,
Greg
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Crude, but you get the point:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/sedfrsedgfgdefgdef.jpg)
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Super ideas and illustrations.
For eight engine version might use 1/48 twin engine kit and mount four twin engine pods from 1/72 kits.
Maybe engines would look to small.
Or -- 1/48 four engine kit with outer wing mount of twin engine pods from 1/72 kits ???
What do you use to make the illustrations ?
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Thread revival! What about some Ar234s operating alongside the post war Me262s with the Czechoslovak Air Force?
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A past / future contribution. Started this in 2012.
With Ar-240 wings:
(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/CF-101B/Modelling%202012/IMG-20121123-00129.jpg)
(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/CF-101B/Modelling%202012/IMG-20121123-00124.jpg)
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A past / future contribution. Started this is 2012.
With Ar-240 wings:
Oh YES! That looks brilliant! :)
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Oh YES! That looks brilliant! :)
It does indeed. And you've kept the kitbashing 'in the family' :) Will this be an Ar-240 style taildragger?
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Looks to be at least Luft 45. 46 will do too. :)
And illustrations by Greg are inspiring.
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Model-wise, the Ar-234 family is well represented by the Dragon offerings in 1/72 and so-so in 1/48 (Hobbycraft and Hasegawa).
The He-343 is represented by a pretty nice AirModel 1/72 vac (with resin bits) and a Special Hobby 1/72 resin kit.
I don't know who made this, but it's beautiful; it's one of my favorite whiffs: The Aeroflot "Octa" in 1/144 made from a 1/72? Ar 234C:
(http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5054.0;attach=3416;image)
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,5054.msg63350.html#msg63350 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,5054.msg63350.html#msg63350)
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nice lookin plane ya got there BG!
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Yes - well represented in various versions :)
Vintage 1/72 Lindberg 234 is nose of Slowy Jet. Cross section with fuselage was good match.
Lindberg kits are around too. Of course not quality of current kits.
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Oh YES! That looks brilliant! :)
It does indeed. And you've kept the kitbashing 'in the family' :) Will this be an Ar-240 style taildragger?
This one will not be but I have three more Ar 234's mash-ups of which two will be tail draggers. Once I get organized, I will post pictures of what they should look like.
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Random Idea: Post War Ar-234 in Soviet Service
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... with Derwents or Nenes?
:icon_fsm:
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I was originally thinking simply Klimov RD-10s (i.e. Jumo 004s). Basically, a squadron or two manufactured from remaining airframes or even new built and put into service immediately after WWII. Maybe serving for a couple of years at most alongside fighters such as the MiG-9 and Yak-15.
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Looks really good, how about Turkish attack bomber version, built by Czech and used in Korea, or an Israeli version of same?
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How about the Egyptions flying 234s re-engined with Nenes, in the May, 1948 conflict, with the Israelis flying captured He162s?
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after reading a topic on a scale-o-rama airliner version of an Me262 over on the other forum, i remembered a project i was working on on paper (and still am) of a 1/72 airliner version of a 1/48 scale Ar234, would work better with a 1/32 version.
at first the plan was to build a propellor driven version, powered by 2 Junkers Jumo.022 turboprop engines.
but in this rough sketch, i decided to go with 4 Heinkel HeS.011 jet engines. the nose/cockpit section needs work, but this would be the general layout plan.
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn292/Nilssteyaert/what%20if/Luft46/Ar.434.jpg)
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Where do you put the fuel? Note this cutaway drawing to illustrate what I mean:
(http://wrrnzb2.devhub.com/img/upload/234edr2.jpg)
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Working in 1/32 gives a lot more room to play with, and fictional wing tankage would be doable.
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i was thinking of using tanks in the wings, and use the outer buldges for the main landing gear. i would also use a shoter but beefed up nosewheel. i could also put a belly tank in it, similar to the EE Lightning 8)
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Geeeee,,, looked on Ebay and found there is a 1/32 kit.
Was new to me. Put that on nice-to-have list for 1/72 build.
I calculate approx 93ft 4in as 1/72. Near B-29 length of 99ft.
Greg --- is 62ft 3in as 1/48. You can build bigger badder Luft 46 version.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/loganov/He111.jpg~original)
This close up shot of an early Heinkel He 111 and the open spinner made my brain think it was a jet at first. It makes one think about the viability of a high-wing jet He 111.
Cheers,
Logan
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I see what you mean! :icon_surprised:
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I see what you mean! :icon_surprised:
Ditto
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Where do you put the fuel? Note this cutaway drawing to illustrate what I mean:
In the passenger's suit cases >:D
M.A.D
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A past / future contribution. Started this in 2012.
With Ar-240 wings:
([url]http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/CF-101B/Modelling%202012/IMG-20121123-00129.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/CF-101B/Modelling%202012/IMG-20121123-00124.jpg[/url])
Did this get finished?
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Ar-234P with Ho-229 wings and engines.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/Ar234_229_85VCgFPaKRby69L7fLRw7p.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/Ar234_229_85VCgFPaKRby69L7fLRw7p.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
... subtle differences... Not sure yet.
NOTE UPDATE! to move downwards tail plane
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:smiley: 8)