Beyond The Sprues

Current and Finished Projects => Physical Models => Sea => Topic started by: Old Wombat on February 16, 2015, 05:53:12 PM

Title: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on February 16, 2015, 05:53:12 PM
OK. The build hasn't started, yet, but I'm back home, the kits are on the dining table (my work space) & I'm getting revved up to start.

A couple of changes from the original idea posted in Lemonjello's thread of his intriguing & awesome looking build.

Sure, sure, "it's for my own good." I'm starting to realize how limited this hull is, space-wise.  Too many ideas, not enough room for them all...

Ha! Check the measurements for a 1/72nd S-boat converted to a 1/35th PBR - long & very, very skinny! :-\

That's one of the hulls I'm working with. My answer is to widen it ... I think ... somehow ... because I want to fit it with a Vulcan ADS turret (from a M-113) & a quad-50 turret, too.

Weapons:
Main; 2 x 40mm Bofors in M42 "Duster" turret*
2ndary; 1 x 20mm Vulcan in M-163A1 turret
plus; various machine guns

I'll take a pic of the boxes & post before I commence the build.

:)




* I didn't have a .50cal quad in the stash & I was getting impatient to start so, well ... you know ... besides, this leaves me with a couple of turretless AFV's to play with later. ;)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on February 16, 2015, 09:38:09 PM
Oooohhh, now I get to torture you with all sorts of good ideas! Can't wait to see this one progress, it's sure to be a stunner.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Kerick on February 17, 2015, 05:25:27 AM
Awesome! I'll be watching this one.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Buzzbomb on February 17, 2015, 05:52:20 AM
I am having visions of this now.. looking nice.

O dear..now I am having visions.. Have I been whiffing too long or sniffing too much Extra thin ?
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Kerick on February 17, 2015, 06:50:15 AM
"Weapons:
Main; 2 x 40mm Bofors in M42 "Duster" turret*
2ndary; 1 x 20mm Vulcan in M-163A1 turret
plus; various machine guns"

You may have to have a second boat to haul the ammo!
Ooooohhh, armored resupply boat!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: finsrin on February 17, 2015, 09:19:53 AM
Awesome! I'll be watching this one.

Me too.  Got cleaner and soft cloth to clean monitor screen.  I be ready.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: jcf on February 17, 2015, 02:15:54 PM
Rather than widening the hull, have you considered offsetting the control cabin to port or starboard ala
the Mk. 3 Sea Specter?
http://www.warboats.org/mk3.htm (http://www.warboats.org/mk3.htm)

(http://www.warboats.org/images/jpg/ptf/mk3a.jpg)

Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on February 17, 2015, 05:44:34 PM
Actually, I have no option but to widen the hull of the S-Boat - the M-42 turret is as wide as the fore-deck (the widest part of the boat). As seen below;

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2855_zpsect8afag.jpg)

And the promised pictures of the unstarted boxes as of about 30 min's ago.

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2854_zps5jsjhu5s.jpg)

Still have to set up my work space, which I should do in the next couple of days, but I have a few plans to draw up first for the mod's to the hull.

;)


PS: Thanks to Jon for the Sea Sled & split-hull catamaran ideas ... there'll be a touch of both in the final design. :))
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on February 18, 2015, 02:26:13 AM
A shame you can not source the Vulcan and Duster parts in 1:72nd scale as that would solve your sizing issues rather well. 
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Kerick on February 18, 2015, 05:07:23 AM
I was checking 1/48th and no luck there either.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on February 18, 2015, 10:10:50 AM
A shame you can not source the Vulcan and Duster parts in 1:72nd scale as that would solve your sizing issues rather well.

As the idea is to, eventually, display this in a diorama with another scale-o-rama'd kit-bash & the Tamiya 1/35th PBR, then 1/35th is the go-to scale. ;)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on February 18, 2015, 10:33:13 AM
What, you didn't have a 1/32 GAU-8 handy? 

I had played around with making my LAV turret a twin M242 turret, but decided against it (for now). 

Looking forward to being inspired by this project.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: jcf on February 19, 2015, 02:32:38 AM
Based on the armament you and John are using on yer respective projects, I have to ask; who you are fighting?  :icon_fsm:

Or are y'all just going to re-enact Porter's Mississippi campaigns? ;)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on February 19, 2015, 10:27:45 AM
Possibly the Viet Kong? ???
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: jcf on February 19, 2015, 02:00:20 PM
Viet Kong? So yer fighting giant Indochinese guerillas?  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on February 19, 2015, 02:49:08 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Kerick on February 25, 2015, 08:47:45 AM
Really big ones!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on March 02, 2015, 04:40:20 PM
OK, moving along here!

Some progress has happened & a bit more has happened since these photo's were taken - but not much.

The build in progress;

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2860_zps5wc4agw9.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2859_zps3jhqekzl.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2856_zpsjv42mgjr.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2858_zps3mkxu4jh.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2857_zpsfu3rqa7p.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2865_zpswnbrxmhz.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2863_zpsgvsoerrq.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2861_zpshyeohkyt.jpg)

As you can see the hull is a bit of a cross between the ocean-going hull of the S-boat & the sea-sled "inverted planing" hull.

Getting everything "right" is turning out to be a bit of a challenge (especially the sea-sled hull form) & I may, despite my best efforts, have to sheet over the rest of the deck as the PSR is becoming a bit troublesome.

Still, onwards & upwards!

More soon, I hope! :)

Guy

PS: Thomas the Tanker present for scaling, as usual.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: finsrin on March 02, 2015, 05:01:18 PM
Nice, Nice, Nice :)
Look forward to more postings !
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on March 02, 2015, 06:25:02 PM
Thanks, Bill! :icon_alabanza:
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on March 02, 2015, 08:51:27 PM
In the words of George Takei, "Oh, myyy!"

That is looking impressive.  Looking forward to more updates as they become available. 

I feel your pain regarding the PSR; I had to cut/sand so much off the Elco that I just went ahead and clad the weather deck with sheet styrene.  Going that route gives you the advantage of starting with a much more uniform base, at least in my opinion.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: FAAMAN on March 03, 2015, 12:00:06 PM
OMG!  :o No-one abuses plastic like you, very cool Wombatus  8) 8)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on March 03, 2015, 12:38:35 PM
Thank you, gentlemen! :icon_alabanza:
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on March 06, 2015, 10:08:03 PM
OK, here we are again with lots of photo's of the ongoing build.

I seem to be an unwitting member of the "Measure twice - cut once ... Bugger! ... Measure thrice - cut once ... $h*t! ... Measure four times - cut once ... Oh, for f^#k sake!" school of construction. I used the card template system, too - even that didn't work!

Anyway, I've gone with the "Near enough is good enough" school for now & I'll use putty to carefully fix any glaring faults.

This is what she looked like 2 days ago;

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2866_zpsnb8xutys.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2867_zpswk8lnyfv.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2868_zpshxhc2bjy.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2869_zpsrvydyb4w.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2870_zpsrrtgxk4o.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2871_zpsi2tppgjm.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2872_zps03s3ir04.jpg)

And here she is today;

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2873_zpsaw31t5nf.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2874_zpsv1rjzzpj.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2875_zpsxyqcanhr.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2876_zps4v6gwnvw.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2877_zpsmsr1t2o3.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2878_zpszy4jlrpw.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2879_zpstlatl6uo.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2882_zpsvhrfhvju.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2883_zpse9fd2eku.jpg)

Hope I haven't put you all, including the insomniacs, to sleep with all these pic's.


Cheers!

Guy :D
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Kerick on March 06, 2015, 10:31:10 PM
Awesome!!!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on March 06, 2015, 11:54:28 PM
That sound? Oh, just my jaw hitting the floor. 

Amazing.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Frank3k on March 07, 2015, 12:27:40 AM
It's looking good! Is that small space to the left the pilot's "cockpit"?
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: FAAMAN on March 07, 2015, 12:18:13 PM
Coming along nicely 8) 8)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on March 10, 2015, 09:44:40 AM
Thanks, gents! :icon_alabanza:

There has been some movement but not much, as the new job involves shift work Which reduces modelling time.

Butt shots;

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2886_zpsmovuxxbx.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2887_zpsbhrs26lq.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2888_zps3kkg3nrr.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Buzzbomb on March 10, 2015, 10:13:49 AM
Nice butt ;)

This has been a terrific ride so far from initial concept to something that has very little of your intial kit shape (OK the entire hull, but you get where I am coming from I hope) prominent.
Great work, shonky cutting and all. Just hide like the rest of us do.

Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Kerick on March 10, 2015, 10:39:13 AM
I like big sterns and I cannot lie....... 8)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on March 10, 2015, 08:33:49 PM
Definitely gives an impression of size and solidity to this project.  I like it alot!  Gives one plenty of ideas for future boat projects.

Watching with rapt attention.  Please, sir, can I have some more?
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: jcf on March 11, 2015, 12:55:39 AM
Noice.

Are you going to go full on Hickman and use a surface drive? 

Maybe with super-cavitating propellers. ;D

http://new.arneson-industries.com/applications (http://new.arneson-industries.com/applications)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Steve Blazo on March 12, 2015, 09:43:42 PM
I like the amount of white plastic, very inspiring.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on March 13, 2015, 11:59:51 AM
Thanks, guys!

I'm trying to keep this VietNam era & I've decided to go the waterjet route (unless I start to go further insane trying to scratch build them).

White plastic! :o

;)

Here are the latest images. I've put the Tamiya PBR hull next to it to give a size comparison. Hope you enjoy them.

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2890_zpsi8rcn0pk.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2894_zpsxcirdzbj.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2895_zpsuxjctbop.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2896_zpsv5czji3p.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2899_zps2gorlfpz.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2900_zpskjpcos7o.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2902_zpsxi8mekqd.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2903_zps9oyragzl.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2904_zpsitigrpfd.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2905_zpsfaahs4ep.jpg)

:D
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: FAAMAN on March 13, 2015, 06:05:53 PM
Fantastic!! :D 8)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on March 13, 2015, 08:18:10 PM
My chin is getting sore from hitting the floor after each of these updates. 

Wow...just, wow.  Really like the additions to the superstructure. 
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on March 23, 2015, 09:22:45 PM
Thank you, both! :icon_alabanza:

Doing fiddly bits right now. :-\
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on April 14, 2015, 10:06:45 AM
Hi, guys!

Thanks for your support but this ain't going to be finished in time - by a long way.

I'm currently downloading photo's to t'Bucket of progress so far, which I'll post later.

As my sig line elsewhere says "Has a life outside of What-If & wishes it would stop interfering!"

:icon_crap:
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on April 14, 2015, 08:04:17 PM
Bummer on this not making the closing date, but don't put it on a shelf! I, for one, want to see this beauty finished.

I was fortunate enough to enjoy a week of evenings with zero obligations on my time (taxi-dad, soccer games, etc) in order to wrap up my floaty build, so I know how life can interfere with the "important" things (time at the bench). 

Can't wait to see this one progress to the finish line.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Kerick on April 14, 2015, 09:18:12 PM
I'll be checking in on this project to what's going on. Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on April 14, 2015, 10:50:27 PM
Well, here she is, as is.

Overview shots:

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2907_zpsxqkq2yjx.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2908_zpsnpmkvvra.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2926_zpsly7exkof.jpg)

Fore Deck:

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2909_zpsehx54ddm.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2919_zps5xtdeibr.jpg)

Stern:

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2911_zpsbiwoorhi.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2910_zpsfxzsez18.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2920_zpsxnlsny9b.jpg)

Waterjets (note: these are only loose-fitted for the photo's & wont be fixed into place until after painting):

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2924_zpsphtswakw.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2921_zpswkio2ns1.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2922_zpsvssuizzz.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2923_zpshgf6n1nw.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2925_zpsjpum2naj.jpg)

Bridge/Cockpit:

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2927_zpsoxat7l0u.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2932_zps3kmqucnq.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2917_zpsspqlavsk.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2916_zpsh35aqnlw.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2931_zpsvh0kqdt2.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2934_zpsp9dtnk6g.jpg)

Mid Deck:

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2918_zps3yfrdjlv.jpg)

I hope it doesn't look like I've been slacking off! :-[

I went through about 4 different jet arrangements before settling on these & a similar number of reversing cans. Then there was the pondering & thinking about how to use various original box parts in the build (I'm trying to use as many as possible as a personal challenge, without going stupid about it).

@LemonJello: Not a hope in Hell than I'm stopping now, I'm having far too much fun - even if it is slow going! ;D

@kerick: Thanks, mate! :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on April 14, 2015, 11:22:40 PM
O.W. that is looking damn fine! So many really well executed details.  I may be stealing your waterjet reverser design to mod my boat's system.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on April 14, 2015, 11:37:09 PM
O.W. that is looking damn fine! So many really well executed details.  I may be stealing your waterjet reverser design to mod my boat's system.

Thank you, good sir! :icon_alabanza:

And go for it! :)

I may take some shots of the jets separately, so you can see just how complicated the little buggers are.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on April 15, 2015, 12:07:53 AM
I may take some shots of the jets separately, so you can see just how complicated the little buggers are.

I would appreciate any detailed pics you could provide.  Thanks!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Frank3k on April 15, 2015, 04:54:28 AM
Fantastic! The scratch built jets look really good. Where did the gray detail bits in the rest of the ship (the wheel, etc.) come from? The instrument bezels look good. Did you just cut squares and drill/punch through the stack?
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: finsrin on April 15, 2015, 05:29:49 AM
So many detail touches, they add realistic character.
Not diminish rest of build; bridge details and mid cabin extension with windows are attention getters :)
Front deck hatches are also nice touch.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on April 15, 2015, 08:57:23 AM
Thank you, gentlemen! :icon_alabanza:

Frank, as mentioned in the write-up, I've given myself a personal challenge to fit as many pieces from the original Airfix S-Boat kit as I can, without going overboard about it. So far that's what all of the grey pieces are. The instrument bezels are, indeed, drilled styrene sheet, although the larger ones (with the lip) had pieces of plastic tube glued on first. The reason they are greyish in the middle is because I glued them in before I remembered to drill them out, so I had to do it in situ & fill the resulting over-drill with putty.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on April 15, 2015, 10:44:34 AM
For LemonJello & anyone else who may be interested.

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2936_zpsjvxxrorv.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2945_zps73vmvzl3.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2944_zps5jeu4igy.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2951_zpsxmmq2eyz.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2939_zpspn1dagur.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2950_zpscys0rhea.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2937_zpsvs5ducdl.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2949_zpsd8eivvcf.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2938_zps3bsukkq5.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2948_zpstdmbrbwo.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2946_zpsaf6aqoij.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2947_zpstlhltdle.jpg)

Hope you find them useful. :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Dr. YoKai on April 15, 2015, 10:46:22 AM
 There is so much ingenuity in this build. I'll be studying up. Well done, friend, well done.
 ( Like Lemon, I'd like to see some detail shots of the jets. )
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on April 15, 2015, 10:52:52 AM
Thanks, Doc! :))



PS: The jets are fixed because my skill set doesn't include microscopic pivots & ball-joints.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: FAAMAN on April 15, 2015, 07:22:52 PM
Talented work as usual Wombat  8) 8)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on April 15, 2015, 08:07:17 PM
For LemonJello & anyone else who may be interested.

Hope you find them useful. :)

Very useful, and somewhat intimidating...they're little models all in themselves.  Such detail! Mine will be but a poor shadow of these, I fear.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on April 15, 2015, 10:38:35 PM
Talented work as usual Wombat  8) 8)

Thank you, amigo! :D
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Camthalion on April 21, 2015, 07:40:47 PM
Looks brilliant.  top work
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 22, 2015, 06:07:33 AM
Guy,

Your work on the water-jet pump units is amazing.  Really impressed with the additional little details you have added that bring a certain amount of realistic looking function to each unit. 
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on April 26, 2015, 11:46:33 AM
Thanks, Camthalion & Jeff! :icon_alabanza:

As the GB is finished but this isn't, could one of the Admin guys please move this thread to Physical Models: Sea for me, please, & I'll finish it there. Thanks!

Well, the boat is finished ready to prime. Weapons are still to be built. Here are the pic's as of an hour ago.

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2952_zpsecsxfxjk.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2953_zpszfirk1m8.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2955_zpskjotd9cf.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2956_zpspshzllqa.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2957_zps9xjucjrt.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2958_zpsohqlcela.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2959_zpsjein34kc.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2960_zpsjnjfthpi.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2961_zpsbtnoac6r.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2962_zpsx77r9eww.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2963_zpsar7aovt7.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2964_zpsvfyhbxrc.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2965_zpssbepst7r.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2966_zpsbeyl0f2u.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2967_zps9xzeqstc.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2968_zpsm2riomfq.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2969_zps8sckjyny.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2970_zpswtkh3wq8.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2971_zpswf6quj9v.jpg)

The water-jets, canopy, ladder, pilot's seat & wheel are all loose-fitted for the photo's & will be painted & detailed seperately.

The greenish spots are liquid mask over clear parts (mostly handcrafted from clear sprue).

The cabinets behind the cockpit are .50-cal ammunition lockers, each sized to fit 16 x 200-rnd boxes. Microphone & R/T handset are handcrafted from styrene. Copper & various grades of lead wire used for the wiring.

Still have to make the anchors & fit the life-rings, extinguishers (after painting) ... plus the weapons.

Not sure if I should put exhaust outlets at the stern for the 2 x Ford 351 Windsor marine V8's or if they should exhaust through the water-jets. Suggestions?

Hope you're all still enjoying this!


Cheers! :)

Guy
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 26, 2015, 11:59:11 AM
Wow!  Hard to believe that started out as a 1:72nd scale SchnellBoot.  Very impressive and the wheelhouse, masts, and electronics you have added are quite convincing.

Why spark ignition gasoline engines?  Diesel would be far safer to operate. 

Exhausts can vent above water line but would need mufflers/suppressors to cut the noise.  Cut-outs on the exhaust to vent direct instead of through the mufflers at full power would make perfect sense for a gasoline engine but a diesel might have a turbo charger with fuel injection so the mufflers might not be necessary.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Kerick on April 26, 2015, 12:21:10 PM
Well, I know who to talk too if I ever decide to build a boat! I love the hatches etc over the engine compartment. It would be easy to overlook but you nailed it.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: finsrin on April 26, 2015, 02:07:35 PM
Really enjoying each picture.  All detail enhancements have synergy with the others.
Well thought out and built :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: FAAMAN on April 27, 2015, 06:14:21 PM
Superb work old son, superb  :) :) 8) 8)

Except for .............. Ford, Windsor V8? ??? You could at least use Mr. Clevelands' better revving V8, your still hung up on Windsors Wombat. ::) Not making any reference nor comment on the fuel used for such mills :-X
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on April 27, 2015, 08:13:07 PM
Wow...just, wow.  The level of detail is so amazing! Impressive doesn't begin to cover the work involved here. 
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on April 30, 2015, 06:58:25 PM
I haven't been around much because, between SWMBO & work, I'm rather short on free time - which I've been putting into the build.

However, thank you for your comments & support, everyone!

A couple of specific answers, though;

Why spark ignition gasoline engines?  Diesel would be far safer to operate. 

Exhausts can vent above water line but would need mufflers/suppressors to cut the noise.  Cut-outs on the exhaust to vent direct instead of through the mufflers at full power would make perfect sense for a gasoline engine but a diesel might have a turbo charger with fuel injection so the mufflers might not be necessary.

Jeff, I went with a petrol engine because I couldn't find a suitable diesel from the late-60's early-70's time frame in my research, as I didn't think the 180 hp Detroit Diesel 6V53N engines of the PBR 31 were powerful enough for this beast. If you know of a suitable light marine diesel in about the 250 hp+ range I'd be happy to change.

I've decided on the exhaust venting into the water-jet flow, between the props & the nozzle, so they're quiet & don't interfere with the functioning of the water jet, with ball-valves to stop any back flow.

Except for .............. Ford, Windsor V8? ??? You could at least use Mr. Clevelands' better revving V8, your still hung up on Windsors Wombat. ::) Not making any reference nor comment on the fuel used for such mills :-X

When I couldn't find a suitable diesel I went for Ford Windsor V8's because I knew that in this time frame Ford were transitioning to the Cleveland plant motor & that Windsor V8's were being converted to marine use. Made sense to me.

And think of how they'd go with 110/130 AvGas running through them! ;D

PS: Glad to see you're alive! Did you get my SMS during the Great Deluge? Was wondering how you were faring.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Buzzbomb on May 02, 2015, 04:49:44 PM
Really first class work Guy.
Great attention to detail
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on May 02, 2015, 08:41:15 PM
Thanks, Brian! :icon_alabanza:

The details are driving me nuts ... OK, crazy, I was nuts to start with ... but I really wanted to get a bit more into this build than 1970's/1980's Tamiya level accuracy.

Even bought an AFV Club M-42 to use it's turret instead of the Tamiya turret I had (chalk & cheese on details).
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on May 05, 2015, 10:18:47 PM
Well, near disaster averted ... I think ... So far. ???

I've finished the M2HB .50 cal's & the M-163 Vulcan turret to bits & sub-assemblies ready for primer & painting before putting it all together. :)

I am in the process of doing the same for the M-42 Bofors turret. While putting a small sub-assembly together hand met liquid cement bottle & over it went! >:D

All over my work mat (Luckily not onto the dining table. :)) ) covering various tools in glue & slopping onto the breech units for the guns! :o

Luckily I noticed this & quickly rinsed them off. However, there is glue damage &, of course, most of it's on the outside where it'll be seen. :-\

I've smoohed them off a bit & it's not too bad but they are a tab pitted. I'm hoping a couple of rounds of prime-&-sand will fix the worst of it. :icon_meditation:

With nerves shot, I'm leaving it for now & checking out here, & playing some computer games.

Cheers!

Guy
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on May 05, 2015, 10:55:07 PM
Close call! You've got the right idea, step away from the bench and do something else.  I've been there many, many times.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on May 06, 2015, 09:40:46 AM
Well, not as good as I'd hoped but better than I expected. :)

Most of the pitting has been fixed but I've lost some small details & a few have become a bit soft but I can live with them, so an acceptable result for a near disaster.

Cheers! :))

Guy
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on May 06, 2015, 09:43:37 AM
Guy,

Glad to hear that your liquid cement disaster was not a complete loss and you were able to salvage most of your work.  Hopefully the fumes dissipated quickly. 
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on May 06, 2015, 09:58:29 AM
I still cop the occasional gassing when I pick up a tool or move a sealed bottle of liquid cement out of the way but most of it cleared pretty quickly after I soaked up the liquid.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on May 06, 2015, 11:26:23 PM
Thanks for your concern, folks.! :)

Damage is ... well ... damage but progress is progressing &, despite the flaws, the guns are beginning to look pretty damned good, to me. ;)


By the way, having done some more research into diesel engines of the era, I've decided that the power-plants are now 2 x Cummins 460hp diesels (as per the Isreali M-50/M-51), or variations thereof.

Cheers! :D

Guy
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: jcf on May 06, 2015, 11:55:53 PM
A common Cummins diesel from the period for marine propulsion is the turbocharged VT8-370-M.

Power Rating
Intermittent: 370 bhp at 3,000 rpm
Continuous: 270 bhp at 2,600 rpm

Specific Fuel Consumption
Intermittent: .402 lb/bhp/hr
Continuous: .394 lb/bhp/hr

Oil Consumption: .5 pint/hr

Displacement: 785 cu in
Weight: 2,775 lbs with std accessories

Dimensions w/reverse gear:
5' 9" L X 3' 3" W X 2' 10.5" H

- Jane's Surface Skimmers: Hovercraft & Hydrofoils 1972-73
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on May 07, 2015, 12:44:03 AM
Even better!

Thanks, Jon!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: jcf on May 07, 2015, 09:37:46 AM
Yer welcome Guy.

BTW the 65 ton Motor-Junk I worked/lived on in Hawaii from '90-'95 had the non-turbo version of the 785 cu in Cummins
V8 turning a 42" screw, 'twas a serious lump o' iron. I became intimately familiar with that engine.
 :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on June 12, 2015, 07:00:50 PM
OK, a little proof that something is happening - even if slowly (everything) & badly (my airbrushing).

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2976_zpst6qfmxa1.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2973_zpsfjwubtb2.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2974_zpsiqxz6i4n.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2975_zpsbzwds74e.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2978_zpsgbhj2lri.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2982_zps9ckyisyb.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2983_zpsvxtuduoh.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2984_zps8f1o8dsi.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2985_zps8fyjuabf.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2986_zpswrumxvnb.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2988_zpstfm9g2tx.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2990_zpsc6a2yuwe.jpg)

This is Snowy, he's the Dockside Watch Duty Crewman.

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2992_zpst9eue2qz.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2993_zpsdzxgubsm.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2994_zpsiwteo9um.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2995_zpsslbla2zy.jpg)


Thanks for watching! :))



PS: I'm still hoping an Admin will move this to "Physical Models"; "Sea" for me, please. :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 13, 2015, 03:55:06 AM

PS: I'm still hoping an Admin will move this to "Physical Models"; "Sea" for me, please. :)

Done. ;)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on June 13, 2015, 07:47:23 AM
Thanks, Greg! :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on June 14, 2015, 09:11:14 PM
Great update on the progress of this one.  I can't wait to see the next one.  This puts my Floaty entry to shame, but also gives me inspiration and ideas for the next time I go boat building.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Steve Blazo on June 15, 2015, 01:41:31 AM
WOW !!  Looking really good !!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Frank3k on June 15, 2015, 01:56:02 AM
Coming along nicely! The fwd weapons station looks awesome, too. Snowy looks good.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on June 15, 2015, 08:36:32 AM
Thank you, gentlemen! :icon_alabanza:

@ LemonJello: No it doesn't, yours was the inspiration & is the better constructed, & I'm glad to have returned the favour of inspiration.

I'm having to repaint the turrets & their weapons as I tried to cheat & used Tamiya rattle-can OD. After shaking the can for over 5 minutes the initial spray had some red-brown colour sitting on the surface (can was over 3 years old). As it was, not too bad, I could use it as weathering/dust but after I sprayed Tamiya Flat Clear over it almost the whole thing went red-brown! :o

So, I've sprayed a thin coat of Tamiya White Primer over everything & will be getting out the airbrush next weekend & spraying them with Mig acrylic US Olive Drab Post WW2 (FS24087), as was my original plan. ???

In case you haven't figure it, it's at about this stage that I have to start fighting my impatience to get the job done (which is why my finishes suffer). Not because I don't like painting & weathering, I actually do, but because I get impatient to see the finished product sitting in front of me. :-\
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Kerick on June 15, 2015, 11:37:28 AM
I know the feeling well!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on June 15, 2015, 07:06:35 PM
I too find myself in similar straits when a project nears the end.  I'm either 1) in a hurry to get it wrapped up so I can see the final product, or 2) afraid of messing up, so the project languishes on the bench awaiting those final steps. 

Just have to tell myself it'll turn out fine, and if there are issues, well just find a way to correct them.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on June 30, 2015, 07:19:10 AM
Progress has all but stopped on this due to cold, wet weather not being conducive to painting.

However, I'm about to do some more over the next couple of days.

A quick question for ideas ... or, more accurately, the final decision between ideas.

I am tossing up between 3 options for the waterline & below;

Opt. 1 - all Black.

Opt. 2 - all Hull Red

Opt. 3 - Hull Red with a Black plimsol line at the top (4" full-size = 3mm in scale)


Just call out your preferences, I wont do a poll, & I need them by tomorrow morning at the latest (it's 0845hrs, Tuesday 30 June, here, now).


Thanks guys! :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Buzzbomb on June 30, 2015, 07:59:10 AM
This is a bit of deja vu here.. I went through the same think when I was building a Pibber.. they are all very valid and depended on manufacture date, refits etc etc.

I eventually went the red colour as it gave a nice contrast as I displayed the boat at speed planing across the water.

Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on June 30, 2015, 08:30:59 AM
You can get an idea of what you want to do regarding the paint scheme for your small combatant craft by checking out the slightly out of date, yet still pertinent NSTM (Naval Ships' Technical Manuals) for Boats and Small Craft, 1998, Chapter 583 (1.75 MB pdf document file) (http://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ch583.pdf) two sections go into detail on maintenance and painting of steel hull and fiberglass hull small craft/boats. 

Above document is part of the Historic Naval Ships Association on-line library of manuals and documents (http://www.hnsa.org/resources/manuals-documents/) some are read only on-line and others like the NSTM documents are available to download and best of all, they are FREE. 
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on June 30, 2015, 05:17:39 PM
Not sure that helps me make my decision ??? but thanks, guys! :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on June 30, 2015, 09:08:46 PM
OK, decision made early - Opt. 3 it is!

Already masked up to begin this tomorrow morning, so I'm not changing my mind. ;)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on June 30, 2015, 10:14:43 PM
Truthfully, all your options sounded good.  I went with a Tamiya black green for my lower hull mainly because it was sitting on the shelf and I wanted to do something a little different.

Can't wait to see this one with some paint on her.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on July 01, 2015, 09:28:08 AM
Thanks, LJ! :)

Primary hull colour down. Didn't go with pure Hull Red, went a 1:1 mix of XF-9 Hull Red & XF-7 Flat Red (Tamiya colours).

Looks good, even if I do say so myself. :D
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: FAAMAN on July 01, 2015, 12:43:13 PM
Well . . . . . where's the pic Wombat? ;)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on July 01, 2015, 01:55:55 PM
Coming! Don't rush me! ;)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on July 01, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
OK, here are a few quick pic's of what happened today.

Red hull, black plimsol line, paint came away, I liked the look & I worked with it.

I'll paint over some of the stripped areas but some will get rust streaks 1st, while other bits will stay as is & get less developed rusting. This way I end up with old scrapes painted over & new scrapes not yet dealt with. Makes it look like a working boat.

There are, also, some faults with my painting (unpainted bits between the red & the black) which I'll fix up one way or another.

I'll try to take better pic's later.


Enjoy! :)


(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3004_zpsk6fx3qyz.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3003_zpsdky4geea.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3002_zpsnacqifdg.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2999_zps4tpvqlpg.jpg)

Hand-painted dials, controls & radar screen.

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3005_zpsuk0w5nju.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on July 01, 2015, 08:06:20 PM
Love it! The weathering will just be icing on this "cake" of awesome!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on July 01, 2015, 09:25:45 PM
Thanks, LJ! :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: jcf on July 01, 2015, 11:13:57 PM
Very nice.  :)

BTW the line is called a boot stripe, Plimsoll Lines are the loading marks.

(http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/53/113953-004-8CD56C34.gif)


Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on July 01, 2015, 11:56:53 PM
Thanks, Jon! :)

I was always under the impression that the boot line was marked at the mean load depth & was called the Plimsoll line. Knew the other markings were for various conditions but thought they were more modern & didn't realise they were the actual Plimsoll lines.

Learn something new every day! :D
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on July 08, 2015, 08:48:30 PM
I was putting the turrets together today ( Birthday treat for myself ;) ) when I discovered a little problem - the Vulcan doesn't depress far enough! :o

So, I'm in the process of modifying the set-up & it seems I'm on the right track. :)

Slowly (Oh, so slowly!) coming together! :))
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on July 08, 2015, 11:48:30 PM
Looking at he bow of boat and I keep imagining what it would look like with a small bow ramp where the two inside halves of the hull meet up.  Something about the size of the ramp from the Higgins' LCP(R) or UDT Boat in design. 

Maybe for your next project then?  :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: tankmodeler on July 09, 2015, 12:49:36 AM
Looking at he bow of boat and I keep imagining what it would look like with a small bow ramp where the two inside halves of the hull meet up.  Something about the size of the ramp from the Higgins' LCP(R) or UDT Boat in design. 


Actually, the front hull is very reminiscent of the front of the LVTP-5:
(http://data.primeportal.net/apc/bill_spidle/lvtp-5/images/lvtp-5_02_of_42.jpg)

I really like the scale of the weapons to the boat. The widening was just right and it really looks like a riverine hull.

One suggestion (and I know this is not the time for suggestions, but I only just found this thread...) is that the open 40mm mount would have been very vulnerable in river combat conditions where the ranges to the shore were very short. It's kinda like urban warfare for boats. Like the single 40mm mounts, a slab sided armoured turret might have made more sense and would have allowed you to keep the less expensive Tamiya turret. The larger boats were also RPG magnets which is why the LCT riverine craft frequently had the bar armour. I'm not suggesting that for the boat, because that way lies madness, but maybe something like that for the turrets might be interesting.

Just random kibitzing of course. :)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on July 10, 2015, 10:48:26 AM
Waiting for pic's to upload to PhotoBucket ............................... Waiting! ............................... Waiting! ............................... Waiting! ............................... Still waiting!

OK! Done!

You may now see how little progress has progressed. ???

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3006_zpsficpxlxf.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3007_zpscvzbvbyf.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3008_zpsnsdm5ld6.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3011_zpsrgjlltjo.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3010_zpsy3tfrvcv.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3009_zpshotv5jna.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3036_zpsq8cj6rid.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3012_zpsxddbmtsd.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3039_zpsecwwruqe.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3013_zps4tpitdid.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3014_zpsnwbxiy0k.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3017_zpstpqqatcm.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3015_zps9twkb7vj.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3018_zpsmwecfv7f.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3016_zpswgziqp9m.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN3020_zpstcogl41q.jpg)

Need to do quite a few small bits, still.

Ropes & cables for the anchors.
Gloss coat & decals.
DullKote & weathering (rust & repainted sections - which scares the willies out of me, on the fair chance I'll f-up).
Remove masking & paint final details (nav lights, dial glazing, etc.).

For those of you who know the Italeri M163, you may notice that I scratch-built "working" hydraulic pistons for the gun elevation system.


Cheers! :icon_beer:

Thanks for watching, guys! :icon_alabanza:


PS: Yep, too late. tankmodeler, but I'd already thought about those things & passed on them for the purposes of this build.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on July 10, 2015, 08:10:01 PM
Stunning! Absolutely stunning.  I keep going back over the photos and mentally kicking myself for missing little details on my boat that you included on yours. 

Well, I'll just file them away for my next floaty build. 

Again, Bravo Zulu on this masterpiece!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on July 10, 2015, 09:30:24 PM
Thanks, LJ! :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Volkodav on July 10, 2015, 10:53:42 PM
Imagine being an insurgent opening up on that one night believing it to be a civilian craft  ;D
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Kerick on July 11, 2015, 10:41:45 AM
Pity the poor low flying ac that strays too close to this boat!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: jcf on July 11, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
Pity the poor low flying ac that strays too close to this boat!

Only if the ac doesn't see it first.  ;)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: tanktastic43 on July 11, 2015, 04:04:17 PM
Deadly!

Great build!

Well done.

tt43.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on July 12, 2015, 11:20:42 PM
Thanks gent's! :icon_alabanza:

Progress still very slow due to p!$$-poor weather, work & family commitments. :icon_crap:
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Volkodav on July 12, 2015, 11:48:32 PM
My step daughter is down your way, she just loves it when we tell her the temperature up here, warmer in winter cooler in summer, just love the tropics.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on July 13, 2015, 09:13:53 AM
If I had the money &/or a job that gave me the flexibility I'd be a bi-annual Stuart Highway nomad, up in late-April before Winter really starts to bite, down in late-October before the Wet gets serious.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Volkodav on July 13, 2015, 08:23:32 PM
If I had the money &/or a job that gave me the flexibility I'd be a bi-annual Stuart Highway nomad, up in late-April before Winter really starts to bite, down in late-October before the Wet gets serious.

I prefer the wet to an Adelaide summer to be honest, never thought I'd say that but once I was acclimatised I found the humidity easier to handle than the stupidly hot temperatures in Adelaide from December to February.

Drop me a PM and I can ask around about opportunities up here if you like, the trouble is the cost of houses or rent can make it a very hard move to do.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on July 15, 2015, 12:02:14 AM
Not serious, mate, because even if I could the missus wouldn't.

PS: Weather here is cold, cold, cold & wet - which is stalling my gloss-coating. :icon_crap:
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Volkodav on July 15, 2015, 06:10:52 PM
Not serious, mate, because even if I could the missus wouldn't.

PS: Weather here is cold, cold, cold & wet - which is stalling my gloss-coating. :icon_crap:

Tell me about it, it got down to 14C overnight, I almost grabbed a jumper this morning. ;)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on July 26, 2015, 09:34:25 AM
Not serious, mate, because even if I could the missus wouldn't.

PS: Weather here is cold, cold, cold & wet - which is stalling my gloss-coating. :icon_crap:

Tell me about it, it got down to 14C overnight, I almost grabbed a jumper this morning. ;)

Not sure I wanted to know that. :icon_crap:



Well, I've been doing little bits & pieces ... & I got carried away with the rusting. :-[

Honestly, I was just enjoying playing with the AK rust paints I bought & was enjoying being impressed with the results even my ham-fisted painting could achieve.

So, although in real life no Royal Australian Marine would dare let their vessel/vehicle get even close to this badly rusted, I'm leaving it as is.


Should be finished, finally, in about a week. Photo's then.


Cheers!


Guy
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: 35th-scale on August 02, 2015, 10:51:07 PM
Great build....love all that firepower!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on August 05, 2015, 01:05:54 AM
Thanks, mate! :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on August 05, 2015, 01:43:59 AM
Fire Support Boat, Riverine (FSBR) Mk.II


Length: 51 feet 8 inches (15.75m)

Beam: 15 feet 6 inches (4.72m)

Draught: 24 inches (61cm)

Displacement: 20.67 long tons (23.15 short tons / 21t)

Propulsion: 2 x 270/370 hp (201/276 kW) Cummins VT8-370-M turbocharged marine diesel engines,
                      each powering a Caldwell & Lacey TP12M turbine water-jet with a thrust bucket for
                      reverse thrust.

Speed: 22.5 knots (25.25mph / 41.85 km/h)

Complement: 10 - 12

Armament: 2 x 40mm Bofors multi-purpose autocannon in a US M-42 twin-mount turret (248 rnds)
                      1 x 20mm General Dynamics M168 Vulcan rotary cannon (3,000 rnds)
                      2 x .50 cal Browning M2HB machine guns (3600 rnds)
                      Assorted personal small-arms

Armour: Hull – ¼ inch mild steel plus internal reinforcing up to ¾ inch
                Superstructure – 1 inch armour grade aluminium


The Fire Support Boat, Riverine, Mk.II was an Australian-built vessel designed for operations in the rivers & deltas of South East Asia utilising primary & secondary weapons acquired from US forces in Vietnam.

Operated by the Royal Australian Marines of the Joint US-Australian River Patrol (JUSARP) from 1967 until the withdrawal of Australian main force units in 1978, when they were handed over to the Republic of Viet Nam Navy (RVNN).

The FSBR’s were generally used with RAM PBR 31 Mk.II’s in operations against North Vietnamese / Viet Cong supply bases along the river. However, they often served as flank-guards for main force land operations in the Mekong Delta & River areas, & as fire-support for RAM Special Boat Service infiltration & extraction operations, & US Navy SEAL activities all along the Vietnamese coastal & riverine areas.

Only 6 of these boats were built, including the 2 Mk.I’s which were converted to Mk.II standard. As river boats the FSBR’s were quite exceptional, with a rapid acceleration & impressive agility for their size. However, they lacked sufficient crew accommodation for extended patrol operations & had generally poor ride qualities in all but the calmest seas. Despite this they were the preferred support boats for special operations teams as they were fast, heavily armed &, with their exhaust gasses exiting via the water-jet units, quiet.


Depicted is FSBR Kilo-Four (a.k.a. “The Real Thing”) as she appeared at the height of the 2nd Tết Offensive, in 1975, during short a Rest & Re-armament break. In the cockpit is the Duty NCO, Corporal Lionel “Snowy” Walters.


(Note: These are the last photo's before the cockpit roof was glued in place.)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-2c8nxnn/0/c6642ec2/X2/DSCN3042-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-HfdKSKB/0/150e4857/X2/DSCN3044-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-6j3QcM9/0/58ac78c9/X2/DSCN3045-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-3v7zmss/0/a57be061/X2/DSCN3047-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-khhFbgh/0/70e4db65/X2/DSCN3049-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-3Ps2RP4/0/497fc7c0/X2/DSCN3050-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-3S8htdf/0/bbf721ee/X2/DSCN3051-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-hQxBQXW/0/3533afb7/X2/DSCN3054-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-tx2mRRc/0/6ce39f93/X2/DSCN3057-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-W42n8Nk/0/c756692f/X2/DSCN3058-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-27QpXzT/0/1e56da5d/X2/DSCN3055-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-2t858HC/0/f0de229c/X2/DSCN3056-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-hFxtHht/0/1bbcf12c/X2/DSCN3059-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-XQNS5DJ/0/d6ab052e/X2/DSCN3062-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-5f6z5JB/0/d66ba033/X2/DSCN3065-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-JNHq6Bb/0/354cf260/X2/DSCN3067-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-J5kDwxS/0/11906459/X2/DSCN3063-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-vJx3WmS/0/e70d1b74/X2/DSCN3066-X2.jpg)


Lidded, roofed & covered.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-zG2RMJK/0/3c8eecde/X2/DSCN3092-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-LTKnnW6/0/8ec105bc/X2/DSCN3093-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-VjxfJzT/0/68cb83f1/X2/DSCN3094-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-9wpzjjb/0/22d3cd22/X2/DSCN3095-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-sq946LH/0/4f76e87b/X2/DSCN3096-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-qnwrnzp/0/b81923ba/X2/DSCN3097-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-36DnWSN/0/1628483d/X3/DSCN3098-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-Btn2fzS/0/051a6adb/X2/DSCN3101-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-WBcDJ8M/0/de37e2ee/X2/DSCN3102-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-tMb7Rwb/0/1d40a4f9/X3/DSCN3104-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-WkSJpkm/0/656c6064/X3/DSCN3103-X3.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-KVnjw7q/0/6bcaa8a7/X2/DSCN3106-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-XsbKvMH/0/d358509b/X2/DSCN3107-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/i-dgxNZtC/0/b17ea92b/X2/DSCN3099-X2.jpg)

(Link to new SmugMug album: https://guyplachy.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/ (https://guyplachy.smugmug.com/RAM-Fire-Support-Boat-Riverine/))



Well, except for a bit of loose gear floating around, that's it!

FINISHED!


;D

Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: LemonJello on August 05, 2015, 02:33:08 AM
Bravo! Bravo! Encore!  (insert roar of crowd and thunderous applause).

Amaze-balls.  Just an all-around stunner.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Logan Hartke on August 05, 2015, 02:50:21 AM
That really looks fantastic, Wombat. I was skeptical at first of just how much this would look like a 'Nam boat given the unusual hull configuration, but it's definitely a cross between a PBR and an LVTP-5. Really well done. It fits the role and period perfectly.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 05, 2015, 03:44:08 AM
Loe the detail you put into this.  Great work! :) :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on August 05, 2015, 05:05:15 AM
Great work Guy!  Really made excellent use of all the parts to pull this off.  BZ!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on August 05, 2015, 09:09:09 AM
Thanks guys! :icon_alabanza:

After a while all you see are the flaws.

It's good to get some outside perspective - especially when it's positive! :D

A link to the song that inspired the name: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HImcaPDmfBY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HImcaPDmfBY)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: finsrin on August 05, 2015, 09:24:34 AM
Super Duper --- Built beyond the call of duty :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Kerick on August 05, 2015, 09:25:15 AM
Just amazing! I can see a retired Navy SEAL saying, "I wish we had one of these back then"!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on August 05, 2015, 09:27:34 AM
Thanks, fella's! :icon_alabanza:
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Frank3k on August 05, 2015, 01:03:45 PM
I'm jealous - this is a fantastic build, topped off with flawless painting, weathering and detailing, like navigation table with the map and compass.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Madhatter on August 05, 2015, 06:32:45 PM
Holy mother that's awesome!! Brilliant work Wombat. Not much more I can say than that right now, although I'm sure I'll think of something more fitting later.
Will this be at Expo next year? ;)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on August 06, 2015, 05:24:26 PM
Thank you, gents! :D


MH: Not sure I'll even get it to the SAPMA Expo (October this year) but I'll try to do both, & the FSBR will definitely be in the show if I can get there.
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: 35th-scale on August 08, 2015, 07:06:23 AM
Love it! Great idea very well executed! Out-fracking-standing....
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: FAAMAN on August 09, 2015, 10:38:54 AM
Well done Wombat, beautifully Whiffed and very believable 8) 8), congrats :) :)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on August 09, 2015, 11:29:56 AM
Thanks, guys! :icon_alabanza:



Neil, remind me I've gotta put your new numbers & email address on my phone & computer! :-[
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: FAAMAN on August 10, 2015, 06:48:05 AM
Duly reminded  :)) :))
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on August 11, 2015, 12:30:55 AM
And done! :) ;)
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: FAAMAN on August 11, 2015, 08:07:23 AM
Very efficient of you  :))
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on August 11, 2015, 08:55:50 AM
That'd be a first! ;D
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: FAAMAN on August 11, 2015, 05:53:40 PM
 ;D ;D Yep ;D ;D
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Steve Blazo on August 14, 2015, 12:35:02 PM
Great design and awesome build, Attention to detail is excellent. Again - great job !!
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on August 15, 2015, 12:01:17 AM
Thanks, Steve! :icon_alabanza:
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Brian da Basher on October 02, 2015, 07:14:20 AM
Late to the party (again) but I just had to let you know I was sold on this baby the minute I saw the map. Then the gauges and the wheel...

The details are completely killer!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: 1/35th FSBR - Fire Support Boat, Riverine
Post by: Old Wombat on October 02, 2015, 01:42:10 PM
Thanks, Brian! :icon_alabanza: