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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #150 on: June 13, 2019, 05:49:41 AM »
While on Secret Projects Forum the other day, someone had asked about a list of prospective Harrier developments. The member called 'DanielGrimes' posted not just a list, but a family tree with pictures of all the variants, proposed and real.

This one really piqued my interest --- a P.1132

http://www.x-plane.org/hawkers/Hawker_Harriers.html
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #151 on: June 13, 2019, 07:23:36 AM »
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #152 on: June 13, 2019, 09:26:01 AM »
Heavy v/stol fighter with two Pegasus engines.

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #153 on: June 13, 2019, 10:34:45 AM »
Heavy v/stol fighter with two Pegasus engines.

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #154 on: June 14, 2019, 02:10:33 AM »
Heavy v/stol fighter with two Pegasus engines.

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #155 on: June 14, 2019, 02:54:07 AM »
Heavy v/stol fighter with two Pegasus engines.

Not quite: 
P.1132  --  Multi-engined V/STOL or STOL strike aircraft  --  2 x Bristol BE.53 + Tail mounted Napier Scorpion optional. STOL 4 x Orpheus  --  1958  --  Twin boom and single fuselage variants. twin boom version had inward exhausting nozzles

Twin-boom version:


Single fuselage version:
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #156 on: June 14, 2019, 01:12:36 PM »
What happens if one engine fails?  Automatic punchout? 

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #157 on: June 14, 2019, 01:26:37 PM »
What happens if one engine fails?  Automatic punchout?
I don't know if it was in a further development of the single-fuselage version or another Hawker design, but they somewhat got around that by crossing the aft, core, exhausts so that even on one engine you had some balance and might could attempt astandard or a stol landing (sure wouldn't want to try a vertical one with only one engine running).

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #158 on: June 14, 2019, 09:29:47 PM »
What happens if one engine fails?  Automatic punchout?

From reading about it, the reason for the cold and hot nozzles on the inside side of each engine was for that possibility. It would seem that there's a tunnel between the engines which captures the rebounding jet blast when it's in VTOL, but the main reason was it could land as a normal aircraft should one engine fail, the jet blast running down the center of the aircraft. 

EDIT: Looking at the 3-View it's showing just the hot nozzles are on the insides only, each engine has an inside and outside cold nozzle.
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #159 on: June 15, 2019, 04:38:49 AM »
What happens if one engine fails?  Automatic punchout?

No worse than in a conventional Harrier
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« Reply #160 on: June 15, 2019, 11:03:28 AM »
What happens if one engine fails?  Automatic punchout?

No worse than in a conventional Harrier


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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #161 on: April 10, 2020, 03:43:51 AM »




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« Reply #162 on: April 10, 2020, 04:00:35 AM »

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #163 on: April 10, 2020, 07:30:42 AM »
Lovely schemes. The Canadian option looks great.  :smiley:
The razorback nose works really well on the Harrier.
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #164 on: April 10, 2020, 07:40:19 PM »
A simple FA3 Seaharrier with the Pegasus Mk 107 a composite wing and improved systems.

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #165 on: April 11, 2020, 04:02:36 AM »


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« Reply #166 on: April 11, 2020, 04:04:23 AM »


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« Reply #167 on: April 11, 2020, 04:09:03 AM »


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« Reply #168 on: April 12, 2020, 03:55:07 AM »

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« Reply #169 on: April 13, 2020, 04:39:57 AM »

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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #170 on: May 25, 2020, 02:08:40 AM »
If you have a bit of time, there is an interesting read in the following file in the Australian National Archives:  "Submission No 5322 - Purchase of an aircraft carrier and aircraft - related to Decision Nos 17503, 17590, 17600 and 17540"  Quite a bit of discussion around the potential acquisition of Sea Harriers by the RAN.  You can access it by searching here:  https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #172 on: May 25, 2020, 05:23:26 AM »


Wonder how many modified systems installations they would make using their own systems?  Still, I could see the IAF using the Harrier for dispersed operations that would be difficult to target.

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« Reply #173 on: August 19, 2020, 03:53:48 AM »
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Re: Harrier/Harrier II (AV-8...) Ideas and Inspiration
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