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Offline Kerick

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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #250 on: March 19, 2017, 09:46:35 AM »
F-82 with Griffon engines and contra props.

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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #251 on: March 19, 2017, 09:59:14 AM »
Or with T56 !

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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #252 on: March 19, 2017, 09:59:26 AM »
F-82 with Griffon engines and contra props.

Possible, but little point to the contra-props, however 5-blade props on 'tother hand ...  ;)  :icon_fsm:
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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #253 on: March 19, 2017, 10:00:51 AM »
Or with T56 !

Too long and skinny, Proteus would look better.
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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #254 on: March 19, 2017, 01:11:48 PM »
Or with T56 !

Too long and skinny, Proteus would look better.

Good call.
Yes, is shorter, I agree.

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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #255 on: March 19, 2017, 10:09:33 PM »
F-82 with Griffon engines and contra props.

You were saying ---  the port side fuselage has a Griffon and contra-prop, cowling from a Firefly Mk.V (which just happens to fit very well)and Shackleton contra-prop
« Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 10:11:15 PM by kitnut617 »

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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #256 on: March 19, 2017, 10:41:50 PM »
I recall this one now. Good stuff!

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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #257 on: March 23, 2017, 03:24:13 AM »
I still want to do a pilotless drone with a shaved off canopy and winglets.
As to the ordnance carried?  Who knows.  Twinkies maybe.
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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #258 on: March 23, 2017, 03:43:10 AM »
If the target is my mouth, then yes please.  ;D
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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #259 on: March 24, 2017, 02:14:21 AM »
I still want to do a pilotless drone with a shaved off canopy and winglets.


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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #260 on: May 09, 2017, 07:50:57 PM »

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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #261 on: May 10, 2017, 02:17:43 AM »
Cool.  What's the story behind it?
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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #263 on: August 17, 2017, 11:00:23 PM »
Posted on Facebook. War Weary P-51B with 2nd seat.

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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #264 on: September 17, 2017, 05:02:08 AM »
Whilst I have seen American P-51s with rockets I don't think I have seen a RAF one until now:





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I have certainly not seen a version with 40mm cannon either until now:



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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #265 on: September 17, 2017, 05:34:15 AM »
Excellent find Greg.   :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #266 on: September 17, 2017, 07:15:20 AM »
Somewhere over the years I've seen a picture of a RAF Mustang with rocket rails in an "H" pattern on each hard point.  I disremember where I saw that, though; I'd suspect either the old "Camouflage and Markings" booklet on RAF Mustangs or the series on Mustangs in the old Scale Modelworld magazine.  I know the C&M booklet on RAF Mustangs has a picture, each, of both the four individual rails under each wing and the S-gun under each wing.

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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #267 on: September 17, 2017, 09:52:44 AM »
Sometime ago I built a P-47 with British RP rails. The P-47 in Action book shows an arrangement although it's just a drawing. It sort of insinuates that the RAF Thunderbolts used them. I had written to the RAF Museum to see what info they had on them and I bought a copy of what they had. Unfortunately nothing about Brit RP's though.

I'm going to build one of my Mustang Mk.1's like that pic you found Greg.
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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #268 on: September 17, 2017, 09:56:36 AM »
Nice build Robert.

I also like the P-51 with the S-guns.
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« Reply #269 on: September 17, 2017, 10:04:04 AM »
Thanks Carl --

I have to say I've not found any photographic evidence that P-47's carried RP rails this way. There's some photos of RAF P-47's carrying the tanks I've put on the model though.
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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #270 on: September 18, 2017, 07:08:09 PM »
I like these markings. Easy build.

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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #271 on: October 07, 2017, 11:58:34 AM »
one of the most recent issues of Mustangs International has a unique limited-run Mustang variant that could cause severe JMN confusions.  The "NA-106" had the "D" wing but was built with the razorback fuselage and plans to convert it to a bubble canopy later; I could see the mix of six wing guns with a razorback fuselage causing some screeching from purists until you provided documentation.

I still stand by my pure whif idea of a salvaged "B" or "C" fuselage mated a salvaged 4-cannon wing from an Allison-powered Mustang to make a one-off "Junkyard Dog".

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« Reply #272 on: October 07, 2017, 02:20:06 PM »
Weren't no razor-back Mustangs, only P-47s. ;)

When did people start referring to the original Mustang fuselage profile as 'razorback'?'
it's neither humped in profile nor sharp in cross-section. To me it's always been P-51(A, B, C)
and bubble-topped D, with no reference to profile necessary on anything other than the D.

I've even seen it used in reference to Spitfires!, which is truly incorrect, Spits are normal
and low-back/cutdown for the bubble canopy versions.

The term is really only correct for the pre-bubble P-47s as the canopy fairing was indeed
humped in profile, along with being sharp in cross-section, another inheritance of its P-35
grandparent.

Anyhow, as to the bird in question, other sources, including NAA order number/production lists,
refer to order number NA-106 P-51D, no block number, (not P-51D-1, none of that block were built)
as being two NA-102 P-51B, 42-106539 and -106540, the two aircraft mentioned in the article, modified
to test the new canopy installation, the only mods were those required to mount the bubble canopy and
new windscreen. No D-wing or six-gun modification is mentioned.

The first aircraft modified to the bubble canopy was NA-102 P-51B 43-12102, however it was not
against order NA-106.

Having looked at the, single, photo of -106540 from the article (it's available at their site), I'm not
convinced that their statement that it shows a three gun right wing is correct. It appears to
show the shorter ammo bays, as standard on the B/C, not the longer ones as fitted to the D. Now is
it possible that they trialled a three-gun installation? Sure, however that wouldn't require a
three-gun wing. Also the wing really isn't clear enough in the image to make that determination.

I think they're creating a mystery where none exists, I believe it's simply a photo of 42-106540
before it was modified to bubble canopy configuration.

NA-102 P-51B/D 43-12102
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Re: P-51 Mustang and Derivates Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #273 on: October 08, 2017, 02:03:48 AM »
I'll take your word for it; though the other option does seem like a fun way to confozzle JMN's.

If not "razorback", then perhaps "fastback"?  I know that term is used for early Cessna 172's before they went to the "all-around vision" cut-down rear fuselage with swept vertical tale.

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« Reply #274 on: October 08, 2017, 02:37:41 AM »
I'll take your word for it; though the other option does seem like a fun way to confozzle JMN's.

If not "razorback", then perhaps "fastback"?  I know that term is used for early Cessna 172's before they went to the "all-around vision" cut-down rear fuselage with swept vertical tale.

Fastback GT1650.  ;D  ;)
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