Author Topic: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration (Read 21073 times)

GTX_Admin · « **on:** May 04, 2012, 03:18:18 AM »

Hi folks,

A thread for your Messerschmitt Bf110 (and Me210/Me310/Me410) Ideas and Inspiration.

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #1 on:** May 04, 2012, 03:20:25 AM »

To begin with, here are some I did a while ago:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #2 on:** May 04, 2012, 03:22:59 AM »

Some more:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #3 on:** May 04, 2012, 03:24:41 AM »

More:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #4 on:** May 04, 2012, 03:26:58 AM »

Last but not least..my favourite:

scheduled to be rendered in plastic in 1/48 in the future.

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #5 on:** May 04, 2012, 03:28:22 AM »

One more:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #6 on:** May 04, 2012, 03:30:47 AM »

Well, maybe another couple:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #7 on:** May 04, 2012, 04:03:25 AM »

One more:

elmayerle · « **Reply #8 on:** May 04, 2012, 12:46:01 PM »

And the most obvious, to my mind, set of variants isn't even mentioned. It's a fact that the German DB605-powered Spitfire used the BF110 cowling because the contours at the firewall were very close. Why not, then, transplant a pair of Spitfire engine and cowling installations on to a Bf110. Exact mark of Spitfire used would depend on when the conversion was done, as well as in whose service it was done. I could see Spanish-built Bf110 variants with either late-model Merlins or Griffons; for a bit more outre variation, Griffons with contra-props.

Daryl J. · « **Reply #9 on:** May 04, 2012, 01:03:03 PM »

If the Dragon and Eduard kits were not so time consuming of a build, I'd build one with extra-early cowlings and fully spatted mains similar to what the Stuka first had. Each seating position would have a 3 pane windscreen but the rest would be open cockpit.
Twin blade props.
And in Spanish Civil War markings.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #10 on:** May 06, 2012, 04:21:37 AM »

We know about the Bf-109TL proposal:

But what about an equivalent Bf-110TL proposal with the pistons replaced by jets?

Regards

Greg

raafif · « **Reply #11 on:** May 06, 2012, 08:23:56 AM »

Quote from: Daryl J. on May 04, 2012, 01:03:03 PM

one with extra-early cowlings and fully spatted mains similar to what the Stuka first had. Each seating position would have a 3 pane windscreen but the rest would be open cockpit.
Twin blade props.
And in Spanish Civil War markings.

get to it

Greg !! Only you can do this idea justice in pixels ....... I'm sure there are several others here who would like to see it too

elmayerle · « **Reply #12 on:** May 06, 2012, 09:58:28 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on May 06, 2012, 04:21:37 AM

We know about the Bf-109TL proposal:

But what about an equivalent Bf-110TL proposal with the pistons replaced by jets?

Regards

Greg

Perhaps with two jet engines in each nacelle with the installation designed so that the main gear can retract between the exhausts? You could either keep it a tail-dragger or look at a tricycle-gear installation. My own thoughts are to keep it a tail-dragger.

jcf · « **Reply #13 on:** May 06, 2012, 01:54:22 PM »

Bf 110 wind-tunnel model based on a 109

110 with shortened nose ala Me 210

Rear-fuselage mounted aft facing MG 17

Sight for same

Experimental remote-controlled gun installation

Close-up of same

A proposal to add one or two jets to the belly of a 410, why not use the same basic concept for a 110?

apophenia · « **Reply #14 on:** May 07, 2012, 09:48:01 AM »

A variation on that single-seat Bf 110 theme ...

raafif · « **Reply #15 on:** May 07, 2012, 01:10:02 PM »

Here you are Daryl, my first try ..... 3 open cockpits, short nose, early engines & pantaloons !

yet to add the red-brown cam.

elmayerle · « **Reply #16 on:** May 07, 2012, 01:30:04 PM »

It has a definite look to it, though the engine installations look a bit too streamlined. Perhaps something similar to the engine installation on the early Bf109?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #17 on:** May 07, 2012, 03:29:43 PM »

Quote from: apophenia on May 07, 2012, 09:48:01 AM

A variation on that single-seat Bf 110 theme ...

Kind of looks familiar...

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #18 on:** May 07, 2012, 03:30:58 PM »

Quote from: elmayerle on May 07, 2012, 01:30:04 PM

It has a definite look to it, though the engine installations look a bit too streamlined. Perhaps something similar to the engine installation on the early Bf109?

Or maybe similar to the He-51?

Still good though.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #19 on:** May 07, 2012, 03:33:29 PM »

How about a twin boom '110:

raafif · « **Reply #20 on:** May 07, 2012, 05:26:46 PM »

cammed in the German Fighter / Fighter-bomber scheme -- light green-grey & red-brown.

raafif · « **Reply #21 on:** May 09, 2012, 11:50:40 AM »

Also sold to Sweden to complement their Junkers K-47s.

apophenia · « **Reply #22 on:** May 09, 2012, 11:55:09 AM »

Nice. The BMW 132 radials make a big difference :)

A1_Phoenix · « **Reply #23 on:** May 09, 2012, 05:11:42 PM »

Lovely both scw and japan version! :)

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #24 on:** May 10, 2012, 03:49:59 AM »

Quote from: apophenia on May 09, 2012, 11:55:09 AM

Nice. The BMW 132 radials make a big difference :)

Indeed!

raafif · « **Reply #25 on:** May 10, 2012, 07:15:41 AM »

apophenia · « **Reply #26 on:** May 10, 2012, 11:28:49 AM »

Love it! I bet that Finnish example is the first one to evolve a cockpit canopy! Brrr ...

Daryl J. · « **Reply #27 on:** May 10, 2012, 12:37:37 PM »

Flying Frozen Finns! :-)

I like all the open cockpit/spatted profiles guys! Thanks for the efforts.
:)

raafif · « **Reply #28 on:** May 10, 2012, 01:52:31 PM »

if you check, I've replaced the above Spanish war ones with more appropiate early engines.

Now for the first one with a full canopy

The early 3-tone cam was a bit spikey !

sequoiaranger · « **Reply #29 on:** July 15, 2012, 08:30:56 AM »

To navalize a Bf-110 for carrier-torpedo-bomber use aboard the Italian carrier Aquila, Macchi of Italy added a third engine (Tifone DB-601 clone), wingtips, made the double tail into triple tails, added the Me-410 cockpit/canopy and remotely-firing rear defense guns (plus torpedo, of course!) and created a folding wing. A Squadron of Mc 605's were set to do a "Doolittle Raid" (launched by carriers, land on home base) on Alexandria and any shipping in the Suez. By the time the attack was ready to be launched the Italians had capitulated.

Italy and the carrier Aquila surrendered to the Allies, and was prepped for use against the Japanese in Indonesia. Fascist Italian markings gave way to new "Allied Italian" stars-and-bars using Italy's red, white, and green. The red was eventually deleted when the Aquila arrived in the Far East (so as not to have any red that might be mistaken for a Hinomaru), but the attractive three-color style was used by the United States post-War using blue.

finsrin · « **Reply #30 on:** July 15, 2012, 02:27:00 PM »

So inspiring

Kit-bashing gray cells are wide awake

Daryl J. · « **Reply #31 on:** July 16, 2012, 09:58:45 AM »

Back to the spatted, open cockpit variant: H-S 12Y with the twin blade prop a la Avia 534 series III.

sequoiaranger · « **Reply #32 on:** July 17, 2012, 02:30:57 PM »

A real-world project, the Bf-162 was a slightly-oversized Bf-110 with a glass nose--a "competitor" in a bid for official production that was won by the Ju-88 instead.

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=1190

I have a contemporary treatise on the Battle of Britain that had an illustration of the "Jaguar"and the narrative stated it as being used/seen over the British Isles. Nope. Kinda like the Heinkel He-113--propaganda.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #33 on:** July 17, 2012, 06:23:10 PM »

Also see here: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1320.msg18616#msg18616

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #34 on:** May 17, 2013, 02:30:32 AM »

Random Idea: Finnish Bf110

arkon · « **Reply #35 on:** May 17, 2013, 08:35:32 AM »

thinking p-38 style pond racer

elmayerle · « **Reply #36 on:** June 17, 2013, 09:50:12 AM »

Bf110 license-built in Spain and later re-engined with Merlins, much like the Buchon was. Since a Bf110 engine cowling was used on the DB-powered Spitfire the Luftwaffe tested, perhaps Spitfire engine cowlings could be used here.

jcf · « **Reply #37 on:** June 18, 2013, 02:35:13 AM »

Quote from: elmayerle on June 17, 2013, 09:50:12 AM

Bf110 license-built in Spain and later re-engined with Merlins, much like the Buchon was. Since a Bf110 engine cowling was used on the DB-powered Spitfire the Luftwaffe tested, perhaps Spitfire engine cowlings could be used here.

Na, Hispano 12Z powered Ha 1109 K-1L type cowlings with the Italian-style cheek oil coolers.
Just like its single-engined stablemate it will look cool and perform like crap.

perttime · « **Reply #38 on:** June 18, 2013, 03:03:52 AM »

How would the Bf 110 handle a pair of Junkers Jumo 213s?

Rickshaw · « **Reply #39 on:** June 18, 2013, 08:09:08 AM »

How about a Turbo-Prop powered, tricycle undercarriaged, single-seat Bf110?

elmayerle · « **Reply #40 on:** October 08, 2013, 01:05:35 PM »

I don't know that I've ever seen it mentioned, were there /Trop versions of the Bf110 and follow-ons similar to the sand filters added to the Bf109 and MC.202 for desert operations? that could make for interesting markings options for North African operations.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #41 on:** October 08, 2013, 07:25:41 PM »

Yes there were definitely "Tropicalised" versions of the Bf110:

I believe they were mainly C and E variants. "Tropicalisation" consisted of adding a dust filter on the port wing air intake and also redesigned nacelles featuring deeper oil cooler housings

elmayerle · « **Reply #42 on:** October 08, 2013, 08:18:32 PM »

Which leads one to wonder what Tropicalized Me210's and Me410s would look like. Methinks this could be done as a subtle whif.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #43 on:** October 09, 2013, 01:58:35 AM »

I like the subtle whiff idea. :)

I doubt anything on the 210 given their curtailed operational use. The Me410 would be possible though. I know they were used operationally in the Mediterranean but I don't know if any were given a Trop modification. Will check up more this weekend.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #44 on:** October 10, 2013, 03:24:38 AM »

Thinking about this a bit more, I quite like the idea of a Me410 in ANR markings similar to below:

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #45 on:** October 11, 2013, 11:01:10 PM »

Me 210/410 torpedo bomber: Early stages of thought design but use TBF wings (I checked and they do fit), add a Junkers Jumo 211D upfront (JU-87?) and a tail hook. Me510T?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #46 on:** October 12, 2013, 04:06:47 AM »

The Me410 was trialed with a torpedo in real life.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #47 on:** October 12, 2013, 04:17:50 AM »

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #48 on:** January 03, 2015, 02:31:36 AM »

Random ideas:

Turkish Bf110
Spanish Bf110

Volkodav · « **Reply #49 on:** January 03, 2015, 09:12:37 PM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on October 12, 2013, 04:17:50 AM

Carrier or land based?

jcf · « **Reply #50 on:** January 04, 2015, 12:52:28 AM »

The proposed anti-ship variants of the Me 410 (which is what they were rather than dedicated 'torpedo bombers') were all to be land-based aircraft. The Baltic and the Med were the intended areas of operation. Oh, and the Black Sea provided the Nazis and their allies could have held on to any of the coastal areas on that body of water.

While some kit was tested on B models, the production anti-ship aircraft was to be a version of the Me 410C.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #51 on:** July 26, 2015, 06:01:15 AM »

arkon · « **Reply #52 on:** July 26, 2015, 02:18:02 PM »

Wow. That looks really good in Japanese camo.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #53 on:** January 08, 2021, 02:03:00 AM »

Does anyone know if you can get a 1/48 conversion for this fitment to the Me410:

Geoff · « **Reply #54 on:** January 09, 2021, 07:53:04 PM »

Love the idea of a Japanese 110

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #55 on:** January 10, 2021, 04:51:11 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on October 12, 2013, 04:17:50 AM

Better image:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #56 on:** January 29, 2021, 02:14:05 AM »

Random idea: Bf110D but with honking big gun protruding from belly tank:


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Author Topic: Messerschmitt Bf110/Me210/Me310/Me410 Ideas and Inspiration (Read 21073 times)