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Title: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on October 13, 2017, 12:38:51 AM
A few minutes ago, I ordered 2 copies of Novo 1/72 DH-100 Vampire (at Unicraft models, cheap!).
My project is making a Twin-pod twin-jet double-plane with front booms and canard tailplanes (not to be burnt by jet exhaust).
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on October 13, 2017, 01:00:28 AM
Here is the project of mine:
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: apophenia on October 13, 2017, 03:26:37 AM
Looking forward to this  :D
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: elmayerle on October 13, 2017, 04:28:27 AM
You're going to have fun with the canard since it will need to be placed where the flow off it will not cause too much distortion in the engine intakes and where it will not block either pilot's vision too much.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's an aesthetically pleasing design in plan view but I'm too familiar with potential problems to totally ignore them.
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 14, 2017, 03:44:30 AM
Cool
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on October 14, 2017, 11:08:13 AM
You're going to have fun with the canard since it will need to be placed where the flow off it will not cause too much distortion in the engine intakes and where it will not block either pilot's vision too much.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's an aesthetically pleasing design in plan view but I'm too familiar with potential problems to totally ignore them.
There is no offense, dear engineer, your words are obviously wise. Well, I am not myself an engineer or commercial selling this design to the army, I enjoy being like a green student in the design bureau, inventing crazy things that the boss (you) would reject of course...
But you are right for another reason: I am going to change this design because the 2 tailplanes were not long enough to join (starting from external to the air intakes) and I had to add pixels, which is very difficult in plastic 3D. So I plan to change into an asymmetric design, with port tailplanes (canard and to the rear) and starboard good visibility. I will try.
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on October 14, 2017, 03:30:07 PM
Better?
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on October 17, 2017, 11:33:29 AM
I ordered 2 copies of Novo 1/72 DH-100 Vampire (at Unicraft models, cheap!).
Yesterday I got an E-mail:
'Hi Tophe,
your kits shipped today,
thanks,
Igor
"
I don't know when I will receive them but it may be soon now.
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: elmayerle on October 17, 2017, 12:29:34 PM
Better?
Works for me.
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on October 19, 2017, 11:53:01 PM
Thanks! I think I will build this one, so... ;)
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on October 21, 2017, 09:24:52 PM
Or... maybe I could use all 4 booms... into a twin-plane with twin rocket engines (no more air intakes)...
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on October 24, 2017, 10:52:23 PM
The parcel arrived today!:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/003dh100X2.jpg)
I don't forget Evan's requirement to improve pilots' view forward... Wait!
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on October 25, 2017, 12:03:06 AM
The parcel arrived today!:
I don't forget Evan's requirement to improve pilots' view forward... Wait!
Here is the improvement I had in mind, now building may start.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Dehavilland_Twinvampire-c.jpg)
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on October 26, 2017, 01:26:01 AM
Started: :smiley:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/002VampirX2.jpg)
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 26, 2017, 02:21:17 AM
The parcel arrived today!:
I don't forget Evan's requirement to improve pilots' view forward... Wait!
Here is the improvement I had in mind, now building may start.
([url]http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Dehavilland_Twinvampire-c.jpg[/url])


 :smiley:
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on October 26, 2017, 11:46:53 PM
Thanks!

WITHOUT GLUE ! I tried to see a little.
The normal Vampire would be this:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/018vampireX1.jpg)

My son Jacky (8 years old) invented the push-pull Vampire! Turning or whirling or something, but fast!
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/002Vamire2dir.jpg)

Then Jacky invented the Vampire biplane:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/004VampireBiplane.jpg)

And at last Jacky invented the tandem wing Vampire:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/012Vampire_tandem.jpg)

Now I will try my way, but maybe transformed a little because I feel lazy, maybe I will not truncate the wings.
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: finsrin on October 27, 2017, 07:51:36 AM
Thanks for pics.  Interesting even though aircraft can't rotate much for takeoff & landing.  Keep building and posting.
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on October 27, 2017, 01:16:45 PM
Thanks!

maybe transformed a little because I feel lazy, maybe I will not truncate the wings.
this could be something like this (not rocket anymore but simply with turbojets):
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on October 27, 2017, 11:24:25 PM
Almost finished...
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/preVamp005x2.jpg)
I feel happy, the ratio fun per hard word is very high...
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: pigflyer on October 28, 2017, 01:02:20 AM
Almost finished...
([url]http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/preVamp005x2.jpg[/url])
I feel happy, the ratio fun per hard word is very high...


I think this would work very well minus the canards.  If more elevator control is needed
then why not employ the 'all flying tail' approach?
I look forward to seeing this one on the flight line.    :-* 8)
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: b29r on October 28, 2017, 01:45:23 AM
Ahhh, the old saying about the apple falling close to the tree is proved true once again.  ;)   Love what you are doing with (to) this old classic, will be watching for more!
Best regards,
Kem
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: arctic warrior on October 28, 2017, 11:26:18 PM
Your Twampire looks really cool!  8)
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on October 29, 2017, 05:07:30 PM
Thanks to all!

Your Twampire looks really cool!  8)
I like this name Twampire, great!
The model is now finished...
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/018twampire.jpg)
while I hesitate before gluing the canopies.
I am not satisfied with these frames. Maybe I will paint all sky blue, to have black glazed parts and sky blue frames (I try to handle the subject even if I lack skills to make that good)...
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Brian da Basher on October 30, 2017, 03:31:32 AM
What a magnificent finish to this magnificent project, mon ami!

Truly delightful Tophe!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on November 04, 2017, 06:19:49 PM
Thanks!

Maybe I will paint all sky blue, to have black glazed parts and sky blue frames (I try to handle the subject even if I lack skills to make that good)...
I have done this, I am not sure this is better, anyway this is different...
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on November 04, 2017, 06:32:49 PM
And through different angles:
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: arctic warrior on November 04, 2017, 07:38:16 PM
Wonderful!  :D
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Brian da Basher on November 04, 2017, 09:57:24 PM
Quite delightful mon ami! Your tinted canopies are always a nice touch.

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: ChernayaAkula on November 06, 2017, 07:05:29 AM
Wonderful creation!   :-*   Really like the boom lay-out on this one.
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: finsrin on November 06, 2017, 07:23:08 AM
Fine job of double fuselages, blend smoothly together. :smiley:
Looks extra maneuverable with front & rear booms and wing rudders (for side slipping).
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: elmayerle on November 06, 2017, 12:19:24 PM
Beautiful!!
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on November 07, 2017, 12:56:59 AM
Thanks a lot for the friendly words and for the engineer's approval! (for fun, I know).
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: AXOR on November 07, 2017, 01:46:30 AM
That's lovely Cristophe,I really like it !  :smiley:
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: apophenia on November 07, 2017, 04:03:39 AM
Wonderful creation!   :-*   Really like the boom lay-out on this one.

Me too and I love your Twampire's wing-mounted vertical surfaces  :smiley:
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on November 08, 2017, 11:48:16 AM
Thanks a lot! Your comments make me feel happy to still build models a little, not drawing only, and I consider requiring model kits for Christmas (and my birthday, 2 days after)... :smiley: [in case Santa Claus does exist]
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on November 13, 2017, 12:10:36 AM
Maybe you noticed that I used:
2 pods, 2 sets of booms, 2 sets of half-tailplanes, 2 sets of fins, 1 set of half-wings...
So there was, remaining: one set of half-wings... :(

No seriously (Historically): while the Twampire was ordered as main fighter of the RAF, twin-boom, two-seater, there was also an order for a high-speed flying-wing, having a prone pilot: the Wingire: :smiley:
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: arctic warrior on November 13, 2017, 12:20:06 AM
He-he, Wingire! I like it. Certainly with so little space the pilots need being lying down. Looks a lot like the Horten Ho 229  :icon_meditation:
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Brian da Basher on November 13, 2017, 06:24:02 PM
That's a great use of leftover parts, Tophe and utterly plausible!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 14, 2017, 01:50:53 AM
I would actually consider making it a UAV
Title: Re: canard Twin-Vampire
Post by: Tophe on November 14, 2017, 12:04:29 PM
Thanks Brian!
And yes, GTX, this could be an unmanned aircraft, with black electronic compartment (not black glazed part)...