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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2016, 11:29:54 PM »
Another possibility came from parasol wing (including Catalina-like flying boat), or parasol sesquiplane... ;)
[I need a very long pylon due to my angle, hiding the pod behind the engine, sorry) ???

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2016, 04:14:12 PM »
The P-384-2 twin-engined derivative of the 4-engined Lightning P-384 could have been a gunship:

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2016, 05:12:22 PM »
There were also the AE-38A, B, C with aft tractor engines:

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2016, 10:34:59 PM »
 :) Here is another one, but I lack ideas to complete my usual batches of 3... :(

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2016, 12:08:07 AM »
I have completed with 2 derivatives but they are not gunship. I think the last one cannot produce a gunship version, because lateral guns are directed downwards, no?

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2016, 12:23:01 AM »
Maybe there was a VTOL gunship, in the V-22 Osprey family, but the first (and second) tailsitter gunship(s) belonged to the Lightning family:

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2016, 12:56:44 AM »
As well, the first Powered Hang Glider gunships were part of the Lightning family:

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2016, 12:58:43 AM »
from the rules at http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=6165.0 :
Helicopters are admissable, but please note that normal-style 'helicopter gunships' of the Hueycobra layout are not, since the turreted guns do not constitute their main weapon.

Yes, there were helicopters too in the Lightning twin-boom family, of course:

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2016, 12:16:44 AM »
The Gull-wing Lightning seems it had a gunship derivative, and there was a Burnelli Lightning this way also:

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2016, 10:16:46 PM »
With vertical booms (no lateral booms), it is more easy to have free sides:

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2016, 02:53:11 AM »
Different
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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2016, 08:38:37 PM »
Yes, while this was not the last possibility...

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2016, 10:07:37 PM »
With vertical booms (no lateral booms), it is more easy to have free sides:


Vertical booms is interesting. You might imagine a flying boat with a pylon-mounted wing and a single central engine (like a single-engined Catalina) having it's engine pod extended backward into a boom to support the tip of the fin. Alternatively, it might have a very high pylon (probably associated with a biplane layout) and a pusher engine, or even a push-pull combo, in the middle of the pylon, with the upper boom supporting the tail fin.

Getting even further off-topic, imagine a twin-float machine with X-shaped tail surfaces attached to the floats at the bottom ends and twin booms at the top ones, and a pusher engine at the back of a fuseage pod.
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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2016, 11:31:42 PM »
 :-* Thanks for this bunch of ideas! They will be (unless I am killed before)... ;)

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2016, 10:53:33 AM »
You might imagine a flying boat with a pylon-mounted wing and a single central engine (like a single-engined Catalina) having it's engine pod extended backward into a boom to support the tip of the fin.
(First of 3 families) here are the Weavereed W-38A, YW-38, XW-38, thanks again!

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2016, 12:33:06 PM »
Alternatively, it might have a very high pylon (probably associated with a biplane layout) and a pusher engine, or even a push-pull combo, in the middle of the pylon, with the upper boom supporting the tail fin.
(Second of the 3 families) Weavereed W-38B, YW-38B, XW-38B:

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2016, 12:16:38 AM »
Getting even further off-topic, imagine a twin-float machine with X-shaped tail surfaces attached to the floats at the bottom ends and twin booms at the top ones, and a pusher engine at the back of a fuseage pod.
(Third family) This is not (completely) off topic... W-38C, YW-38C, XW-38C (the W-38C being a gunship or tourist aircraft)

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2016, 02:01:18 AM »
warf!
any aircraft can be improved by fitting floats  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2016, 01:18:05 PM »
Thanks! (I supposed this is approval, while Google Translate told me that the English "warf" means the French "quai de marchandise" = dock...)

The one to thank is Weaver, having included floats in his design.
I could use his X-tail without floats, it seems:

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2016, 02:04:53 PM »
Thanks! (I supposed this is approval, while Google Translate told me that the English "warf" means the French "quai de marchandise" = dock...)

The one to thank is Weaver, having included floats in his design.
I could use his X-tail without floats, it seems:

I meant "ouarf" actually, in french  ;)

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2016, 11:50:08 PM »
Sorry, I was still puzzled, but Google explained:
"OUARF OUARF !" (Traduction du langage chien : " JE SUIS TROP CONTENT !"*
(Warf if the way dogs say 'I am very happy')

Thanks!!! ;)

PS. *: Thanks also to https://www.facebook.com/gendarmerie.de.la.Gironde/posts/294679260698698
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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #46 on: May 14, 2016, 05:58:09 AM »
You might imagine a flying boat with a pylon-mounted wing and a single central engine (like a single-engined Catalina) having it's engine pod extended backward into a boom to support the tip of the fin.
(First of 3 families) here are the Weavereed W-38A, YW-38, XW-38, thanks again!


Nice one Tophe, although not exactly what I had in mind (same goes for the next set also). What I was thinking of was the tail fin being attached at it's root to the flying boat hull and at it's tip to the boom.
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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2016, 06:00:01 AM »
Getting even further off-topic, imagine a twin-float machine with X-shaped tail surfaces attached to the floats at the bottom ends and twin booms at the top ones, and a pusher engine at the back of a fuseage pod.
(Third family) This is not (completely) off topic... W-38C, YW-38C, XW-38C (the W-38C being a gunship or tourist aircraft)

Now those are very nice, particularly the middle one. Thank you.  :)

They could probably do without the small vertical tails, since the X-surfaces would function as both elevators and rudders in the manner of the V-tail seen on the Magister and Bonanza.

Thinknig about it some more, the X-surfaces would probably need a small bullet fairing where they cross to clean up the airflow and avoid turbulence, as was discovered with the Whirlwind, Sea Hawk etc...
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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2016, 11:35:06 AM »
Yes, these are the final versions Weavereed W-38A, B, C: (thanks!)

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Re: P-38 killers
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2016, 06:17:41 PM »
Ahem, I guess gunships are not always murdering civilans: sometimes there is fire back and there is a need of armoured airplanes: