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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2022, 10:56:51 PM »
That's a bugger! :icon_crap:

Well, there is the Whif World option; you can paint it whatever colours you want (as long as the paint works ;)).
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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2022, 11:12:02 PM »
Well it is Soviet so I canít get very imaginative with it. Or I could give some sexy blue, grey and white scheme and say the painter was shot and then sent to Siberia.

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2022, 04:47:10 AM »
Well, the paint has been an epic fail...

Oh, that is brutal! And it was looking so shiningly promising  :(

Strange how Easy Off oven cleaner removed most of the silver but left a slimy residue while the brake fluid removed the slimy residue and the white but has a very slow effect on the silver. Organic chemistry I suppose.

Fingers crossed to appease those whimsical sprites of chemical interactions.

Please press on ... this concept is too good to abandon (and that kit too rare from the sounds of it)  :smiley:
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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2022, 06:46:29 AM »
Iím not giving up although my wife is going in for surgery a week from Thursday so probably not much model time after that. Scratched up a couple of fictitious anti ship missiles and tried to paint them with the same white I have used on other things just fine and that went bad too. I had sprayed them lightly with the white, saw that it was giving little bubbles and dimples so I stopped there. I sanded off the bad spots then sprayed a completely different paint and the unsanded parts wrinkled up like an old prune. Youíd think I would learn by now! So that went into the trash too. No more painting until I get good hobby paints. The Bison is stripped as well as itís going to be and needs sanding to remove leftovers and smooth the surface again. Good thing I donít mind PSR. The surface of that thing is so many colors right now itís crazy.

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2022, 10:35:53 AM »
Iím not giving up although my wife is going in for surgery a week from Thursday so probably not much model time after that. Scratched up a couple of fictitious anti ship missiles and tried to paint them with the same white I have used on other things just fine and that went bad too. I had sprayed them lightly with the white, saw that it was giving little bubbles and dimples so I stopped there. I sanded off the bad spots then sprayed a completely different paint and the unsanded parts wrinkled up like an old prune. Youíd think I would learn by now! So that went into the trash too. No more painting until I get good hobby paints. The Bison is stripped as well as itís going to be and needs sanding to remove leftovers and smooth the surface again. Good thing I donít mind PSR. The surface of that thing is so many colors right now itís crazy.

Sounds like there's still release agent on the surface of the plastic, or it's too slick & resistant for paint to adhere to. You may want to sand or lightly scour the whole thing.
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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2022, 02:52:16 PM »
Straight up polystyrene back from who knows when. I donít get it at all. Never had these problems before and now I canít get anything right! I shouldnít say anything as the helicopters have gone well so far. Unless you count the first attempt at the Apache. That was a do over for several reasons.
The Bison is back to its original green color and Iím rebuilding the missiles after that fail. I just canít believe these paints canít work together. Same brand and everything. Itís nutso!!!

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2022, 12:58:19 PM »
A couple of pics to catch up.

Back to green plastic. I have since sanded with a much finer paper and it looks much better.



I built two completely fictitious missiles out of the forward 3/4 of F-104 tanks, wings from other missiles and small LGB fins. Green and black was the grossest color combo I've found so I went with that. I brush liquid glue over the Bondo putty as its porous and soaks up the first coat of paint and shows up otherwise. The glue acts like a primer, sealing the surface.



This real one looks like grey over white.



Many pics look like NMF but others look more like an aluminum dope color.



I might do grey over white or a light aircraft grey that looks more like hemp......?

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2022, 11:08:39 AM »
That is some serious chem-strip and PSRing!

.. Many pics look like NMF but others look more like an aluminum dope color...

That does have an aluminum paint look about it. But, I like your notion of  "a light aircraft grey that looks more like hemp"  :smiley:
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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2022, 01:36:22 PM »
I was at the NIMCON show in Crystal Lake IL today. I picked up some red star decals that should work perfectly. I added some antenna on top of the fuselage and a better radome underneath. I should be ready for paint very soon. Wish me luck!

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2022, 02:59:06 PM »
Good luck! :smiley:
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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2022, 04:54:54 PM »
Yes "Good luck",  do want this to work out !

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2022, 06:03:33 PM »
Definitely good luck!

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2022, 02:13:25 AM »
Iíll be using Testors or Model Masters hobby paints so it should be better..

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2022, 01:18:43 PM »
Quite interested in this build 8)

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2022, 10:56:48 PM »
Sprayed on some Testors gloss white yesterday. Looks pretty good! Itís in the drying oven that is my garage right now.

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2022, 09:17:10 PM »
Masked off and sprayed on the ďcamo greyĒ that sure has a lot of brown in it. Iíll call it the Russian attempt at hemp. Most of it looks pretty good but there is a couple of small wrinkles that I may or may not mess with. Just ready to put this one on the shelf on a stand asap.

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2022, 01:07:04 PM »
Here are some photos of progress so far. The paint went on pretty well. Only a couple spots look troublesome. These I will just spray paint in a jar and use a brush to touch up. Just the usual spots where the grey/gray crept under the masking tape and two spots where it seemed to pull back as it dried.





No idea what caused that. The only thing I can think of is the fact that I sprayed over gloss white instead of flat. The rest looks good. It wasn't going to be a contest winner so I'll just touch it up and call it good enough for government work! Here's the overall look.





Its like a fish, darker on top and white on the bottom.
Here's a closer look at the lumps and bumps I added. Completely fictional yet provides some visual interest. Of course there is the usual fuel tank half, some parts from a Bf-109 kit, hump shaped pieces cut from a small aircraft wheel and plastic strips similar to photos I saw of real Bisons.



Any one know what might aproximate the gross green color the Soviets used on dielectric panels and radomes? I'm thinking of that trapezoid panel that's always on the fin of MiG 21s and others.

And BTW, I bought a bag of new spray can nozzles of different types on Amazon so I don't have to waste good paint because of clogged nozzles. I think sometimes the can sprays poorly because the face of the nozzle gets dried paint on it even after spraying upside down. The paint comes out but the pattern and droplet size sucks. Sometimes a new nozzle helps, sometimes not.
I might actually finish this one on time!!!

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2022, 03:31:36 PM »
Good stuff.   You be rockin-n-rollin now !

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2022, 06:50:46 AM »
Looking good! And great call on the 'hemp' grey  :smiley:
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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2022, 11:12:44 PM »
Touch ups are completed and the radomes painted. I found some European dark green that looks ugly enough. Plus a black anti glare panel. Not bad. I need to spray gloss and then decals.

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2022, 12:14:26 PM »
Did the touch up and detail paint and then sprayed on some clear gloss. I was holding my breath the whole time. it came out like it was supposed to and here's what it looks like.



Busted out the decals and micro set and sol. The only trouble maker was the set of numbers for the tail. They each broke into three pieces but I was able to push them together enough to be usable.



The others all went on great. It took several pieces to put together the cockpit windshield. I discovered several spots where there was spots from my dirty fingers or lint had settled on the wet clear coat. Some very careful scraping removed most of them without exposing the plastic.



Here it is temporarily placed on its stand. Soon I'll have to find a shelf wide enough to place it on. Some more detail painting around the engine exhaust and some flat clear and its done.

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2022, 12:50:39 PM »
Ooh! Nice! 8) :smiley:
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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2022, 12:17:27 AM »
The ison came out great, especially considering what you started with and all the problems you had with the silver paint. It looks good on the stand.

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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2022, 01:44:23 AM »
 :smiley:
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Re: Bison Patrol
« Reply #49 on: June 29, 2022, 04:01:49 AM »
Oh, that is pretty! Great save  :smiley:
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