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Title: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 30, 2021, 03:03:56 AM
Seems we don't have a thread dedicated to this tank and its derivatives so here goes.

(http://fighting-vehicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/The-French-AMX-30-Tank-model-AMX-30B.jpg)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 30, 2021, 03:19:24 AM
Lots of variations/derivatives:

Basic AMX-30:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/88/fb/d4/88fbd48552edfa7a06877488b782768b.jpg)

Updated AMX-30B2 BRENUS:

(http://fighting-vehicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/amx-30b2-brenus.jpg)

Prototype AMX-30 ACRA fitted with a 142mm gun able to fire the supersonic ACRA (Anti-Char Rapide Autopropulsé) ATGM:

(https://external-preview.redd.it/dcKXYhLYk7b-pYWuzxVOWX6C22Odg8WMAuRftFFFIyw.jpg?auto=webp&s=8dda7467f6289048b4ed2fbe62cd852a846bab51)

Bridgelayer and Reengineering vehicles:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/3526852D-37EB-489C-9E3C-10AA2B96075E.jpeg)

Air Defence Variants:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/AMX-30_SA.jpg)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/674-0126_01_oberhoffen.jpg)

Pluton:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/b6rje1iss6s01.jpg)

SPH:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/fbb1735e3051c4925f9297cccf399924.jpg)

Stealth:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/AMX-30-Stealth-Tank.jpg)

Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 30, 2021, 03:24:04 AM
Some whatif options:

West German AMX-30 instead of Leopard 1?
Australian AMX-30?
Israeli AMX-30?
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on July 30, 2021, 03:53:10 AM
Or, Leopard turret on an AMX-30 hull?
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on July 30, 2021, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: GTX_Admin on July 30, 2021, 03:24:04 AM
Some whatif options:

West German AMX-30 instead of Leopard 1?
Australian AMX-30?
Israeli AMX-30?

Wash your mouth out GTX 😯

MAD
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 31, 2021, 12:45:31 AM
Quote from: Jeffry Fontaine on July 30, 2021, 03:53:10 AM
Or, Leopard turret on an AMX-30 hull?


Something like this:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/lyM3zyC.jpg)

More details (http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/09/17/spanish-amx-30leopard-hybrid/)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 31, 2021, 01:07:45 AM
AMX Javelot:

(https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2019-10/1570189653_amx-javelot-3.jpg)

More details (https://en.topwar.ru/163194-amx-javelot-raketnaja-sistema-zalpovogo-ognja-dlja-unichtozhenija-aviacii.html)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 31, 2021, 01:08:48 AM
And a different AA gun version:

(https://i.imgur.com/KJbTh19.jpg)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 31, 2021, 01:33:14 AM
I've often found the 20mm cannon on the AMX-30 interesting:

(http://www.imfdb.org/images/9/98/AMX-30_M693.jpg)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/980729E4-AC86-4426-B445-B39111497870.jpeg)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 31, 2021, 01:33:46 AM
Quote from: M.A.D on July 30, 2021, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: GTX_Admin on July 30, 2021, 03:24:04 AM
Some whatif options:

West German AMX-30 instead of Leopard 1?
Australian AMX-30?
Israeli AMX-30?

Wash your mouth out GTX 😯

MAD

For which one?
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on July 31, 2021, 11:14:37 AM
Quote from: GTX_Admin on July 31, 2021, 01:33:46 AM
Quote from: M.A.D on July 30, 2021, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: GTX_Admin on July 30, 2021, 03:24:04 AM
Some whatif options:

West German AMX-30 instead of Leopard 1?
Australian AMX-30?
Israeli AMX-30?

Wash your mouth out GTX 😯

MAD

For which one?

AMX-30 replacing Leopard - period 😉😂

MAD
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Zaskar24 on July 31, 2021, 10:27:37 PM
Quote from: Jeffry Fontaine on July 30, 2021, 03:53:10 AM
Or, Leopard turret on an AMX-30 hull?

Wasn't the opposite considered when relationships cooled between France and West Germany in the early sixties? Or at the least using the German prototype for a hull mated with the French prototype turret that led to the AMX-30?

Quote
Some whatif options:

West German AMX-30 instead of Leopard 1?
Australian AMX-30?
Israeli AMX-30?

I would love to see what an Israeli fielded AMX-30 would look like after upgrades.
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 01, 2021, 02:14:47 AM
Quote from: Zaskar24 on July 31, 2021, 10:27:37 PM
I would love to see what an Israeli fielded AMX-30 would look like after upgrades.

Dare I say, something like the AMX-30B2 BRENUS:

(https://aw.my.games/sites/aw.my.com/files/u183517/a_amx30b2brennus.jpg)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 01, 2021, 02:25:03 AM
A model kit awaiting an Israeli scheme:

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61Ztx2YahbL.jpg)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 01, 2021, 02:27:31 AM
Shahine SAM based upon AMX-30 chassis:

(https://photo.weaponsystems.net/image/s-carousel/n-ad_spsam_shahine_o1.jpg/--/img/ws/ad_spsam_shahine_o1.jpg)
(https://photo.weaponsystems.net/image/s-carousel/n-ad_spsam_shahine_v1.jpg/--/img/ws/ad_spsam_shahine_v1.jpg)

plus supporting acquisition vehicle:

(https://photo.weaponsystems.net/image/s-carousel/n-ad_spsam_shahine_v2.jpg/--/img/ws/ad_spsam_shahine_v2.jpg)

(https://militaryedge.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Shahine.jpg)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 01, 2021, 02:34:51 AM
Quote from: M.A.D on July 31, 2021, 11:14:37 AM

AMX-30 replacing Leopard - period 😉😂



Maybe I should add an addendum to The French Connection (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=8820.0)... ;)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 01, 2021, 04:18:02 AM
Of course any thread on the AMX-30 should probably also include the AMX-32 derivative:

(https://i.redd.it/wcqmieeb7n051.jpg)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 01, 2021, 08:31:12 AM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/AMX-30_Leo1_XS.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/e58f1c54-aee2-42c9-bc15-f72ec22af374/p/52b7f6e6-5dc5-4950-983d-55ca1b7cecd9)

IMHO, first possibility is really practical and AFAIK this project existed when AMX-30 and Leopard 1 were conceived and when Spain planned to upgrade their AMX-30. It was named project LeoX

See this thread, devoted to another project, in which project LeoX is mentioned: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/spanish-german-lince.4955/ (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/spanish-german-lince.4955/)

See this too: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/franco-german-mbt60.34973/ (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/franco-german-mbt60.34973/)

Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on August 01, 2021, 09:41:54 AM
Quote
Wasn't the opposite considered when relationships cooled between France and West Germany in the early sixties? Or at the least using the German prototype for a hull mated with the French prototype turret that led to the AMX-30?

Yes, you are right Zaskar24, I have read that also.
I've also read:
-The French turret was a better layout than the original Leopard 1 turret layout, but this discrepancy changed with the Leo 1A3 turret design;
-The French 105mm gun was better (although I'm under the impression that this was in comparison to the then 90mm gun that the Bundeswehr stipulated - as opposed to the Royal Ordnance L7 105mm that would be used);
-The German's were willing to consider the French turret and gun in an effort to save to cooperative program from failing.

At the end of the day, I think it's very evident that the Leopard 1 design was superior in most aspects when compared to the AMX-30.
Perhaps one should keep in mind, Post-WWII, a vast majority of French military program was geared towards export and not just the French military wants and needs.

As for the Israeli AMX-30, I think the reality was both the Leopard 1 and AMX-30 wouldn't have been heavily protected enough according to IDF doctrine - hence their continues reliance and perseverance with the Centurion as their main MBT till the advent of the Merkava.

Alas, it is 'WhatIf' and I should crawl back into my hole. 😉

Look forward to what you bring to the topic Zaskar24

MAD
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on August 01, 2021, 09:43:19 AM
Quote from: ysi_maniac on August 01, 2021, 08:31:12 AM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/AMX-30_Leo1_XS.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/e58f1c54-aee2-42c9-bc15-f72ec22af374/p/52b7f6e6-5dc5-4950-983d-55ca1b7cecd9)

IMHO, first possibility is really practical and AFAIK this project existed when AMX-30 and Leopard 1 were conceived and when Spain planned to upgrade their AMX-30. It was named project LeoX

See this thread, devoted to another project, in which project LeoX is mentioned: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/spanish-german-lince.4955/ (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/spanish-german-lince.4955/)

See this too: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/franco-german-mbt60.34973/ (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/franco-german-mbt60.34973/)

Beautiful art work as per usual ysi_maniac😯👍

MAD
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on August 01, 2021, 09:48:50 AM
Quote from: GTX_Admin on August 01, 2021, 04:18:02 AM
Of course any thread on the AMX-30 should probably also include the AMX-32 derivative:

(https://i.redd.it/wcqmieeb7n051.jpg)

Yes GTX, the AMX-32 was a vast improvement over the legacy AMX-30. Never understood why the French army never incrementally adopted it, and yet allowed itself to be equipped for so long with an otherwise obsolete legacy AMX-30....🤔
But again, the AMX-32 was prodomantly aimed at export rather than domestic needs/requirements......

MAD
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on August 01, 2021, 10:02:43 AM
Ok, so this is where I think I might have read it - from our own resident ysi_maniac:

Quote
During trials, Leopard performed better in mobility parameters, but AMX-30 won in accuracy and fire power. Thus an AMX turret with Leopard hull was proposed.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/spanish-german-lince.4955/ (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/spanish-german-lince.4955/)

MAD
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 02, 2021, 02:15:54 AM
Another french proposal for IDF: AMX-32 turret. 8)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/AMX-32_turret_Israel.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/e58f1c54-aee2-42c9-bc15-f72ec22af374/p/b2859adf-b3de-44f6-afd9-af7ad6b179f9)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 28, 2021, 01:24:23 AM
Looking at the Roland version, I wonder about a whiff version using HOT missiles as missile anti tank version - maybe a set up such as the AMX-10P/HOT:

(https://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/at/AMX-10/AMX-10_HOT.gif)
(https://external-preview.redd.it/NB7Kpa1_pSpbHLo6F9Hmz4AkegnyNOqtRTGbGiIjgoo.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=983644a2d7e51d38974c09ad27bd9b3129197b67)
(https://preview.redd.it/lfxmzqvvu8i31.jpg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee5a0bf0a8f83cc61ca6c11d8035a618c8d52396)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 28, 2021, 01:35:22 AM
Or perhaps just put missiles on the turret in a similar fashion to the AMX-13 HIT versions:

(https://i0.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/AMX-13-75-HOT-1.jpg)
(https://i1.wp.com/tanknutdave.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/AMX-13-75-HOT-2.jpg)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 28, 2021, 02:06:34 AM
Or perhaps in the form of the Pereh missile carrier:

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-97e5f6ca5b9a102a906799f0fe7e7d52-c)
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e359e054feae0b1490c0ee64c144e097-c)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on May 03, 2022, 12:48:41 PM
Italy and Spain gives 2nd line armour to Ukraine.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/SpaItal2Ucraine.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/e58f1c54-aee2-42c9-bc15-f72ec22af374/p/17246eb4-3777-4299-9ef1-3add27eb0a3c)
Title: Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Story on September 18, 2023, 07:40:12 PM
What if....
DeGaulle wasn't such a dilettante when the German/French tank project was happening?
(https://i.imgur.com/R72q6ND.jpg)