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Title: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 15, 2018, 01:38:16 AM
German Schmalturn on T-34 hull is a good choice IMO.

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/drawTanks/T-34_Schmalturn.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/drawTanks/T-34_Schmalturn.jpg.html)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 05, 2018, 04:38:59 AM
What if an IFV based on T-34?

BTW: It would be a very confortable vehicle in the rigors of russian winter. 8)

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/drawTanks/T34ifv.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/drawTanks/T34ifv.jpg.html)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 16, 2018, 03:16:22 AM
Looks a bit like this:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-e-BnI1tgiA8/UhxF-6kEDFI/AAAAAAAABNY/4TqRlTJi4E8/s640/blogger-image--2003673905.jpg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Frank3k on November 16, 2018, 03:29:00 AM
Where's the engine? Is it Flintsone powered? The guy in the back is going to be extra warm if those fuel tanks get hit...
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 16, 2018, 03:40:02 AM
Of course, one could use something such as an AT-42 or AT-45 as the basis for a T-34 APC:

AT-42:

(https://forum.valka.cz/files/at-42.jpg)
(https://forum.valka.cz/attachments/2350/1259185997_21.jpg)
(https://hlj.com/media/catalog/product/cache/image/700x700/e9c3970ab036de70892d86c6d221abfe/k/t/ktnk35c19ht.png)

AT-45:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pG5TNqkV1Ik/U6EFwwUhQGI/AAAAAAAADK8/LI4U3nwgm5s/s1600/AT-45-1.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PhIAAOSwuLZY4jo8/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 16, 2018, 03:40:52 AM
Quote from: Frank3k on November 16, 2018, 03:29:00 AM
Where's the engine? Is it Flintsone powered? The guy in the back is going to be extra warm if those fuel tanks get hit...

Bah!  Facts, who needs them? ;)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 22, 2019, 10:02:31 AM
Trainload of vintage T-34 tanks wows Russians

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/2BA0/production/_105286111_russiatanks.jpg)

A train carrying 30 vintage T-34 Soviet tanks has arrived near Moscow after an epic journey that took the tanks by sea and by rail from South-East Asia.

Russian families braved freezing temperatures to greet the unusual cargo when it arrived in Naro-Fominsk, 80km (50 miles) from the capital.

Russian media say Laos, an old Soviet ally, gave the tanks as a gift.

Other comments indicate these are not WWII builds but rather from Czechoslovakia from the 1950s.

Full BBC story here: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46953372 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46953372)
NY Times story here: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/world/europe/russia-t-34-tanks.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/world/europe/russia-t-34-tanks.html)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on January 20, 2020, 08:08:55 AM
Transferring from the Soviet tank thread, just to add to this narrative.

Yemen, recently.
(https://i.imgur.com/mfW5fli.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/XcWbTKh.jpg)

Additional - Yemen government T-34/85s defending the coast of the weird island of Socotra.

(https://i.imgur.com/zvZnZgf.jpg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: M.A.D on January 24, 2020, 07:57:21 AM
I recently found a picture of a East German Army T-34/85 with pontoons fitted to it, which I found very interesting!!😯

M.A.D
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 25, 2020, 02:42:23 AM
Here's a slightly large photo:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375776113357488129/668959954618548224/02.jpg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 05, 2020, 02:42:27 AM
Random idea:  The T-34 can trace its heritage back to the BT series of fast tanks.  One of the intermediary steps was the A-20.  This, lhad an 8×6-wheel convertible drive similar to the BT tank's 8×2, which allowed it to run on wheels without tracks.

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-93aa533d20ac4f057370ebd4e57cb4bd-c)

Above:  BT-2 tank rigged for road movement without tracks.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/T-34_prototypes.jpg)

Above from left: BT-7, A-20 fast tank prototype, T-34 Model 1940, T-34 Model 1941.

eventually this feature was dropped before we got to the T-34.  But what if it hadn't and thus we had T-34s also able to run on just wheels rather than tracks?
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on March 05, 2021, 10:20:59 AM
Beirut 1982 - this would be too easy.
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/156205121_1805950612905092_1749126134492982528_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=KNiI92TdY10AX8xLvA5&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&tp=6&oh=f27f5d4cf479ed3797bf5f5208475683&oe=6068C10F
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 06, 2021, 02:11:52 AM
Quote from: Story on March 05, 2021, 10:20:59 AM
Beirut 1982 - this would be too easy.
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/156205121_1805950612905092_1749126134492982528_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=KNiI92TdY10AX8xLvA5&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&tp=6&oh=f27f5d4cf479ed3797bf5f5208475683&oe=6068C10F

Interesting.  Appears to be a turret less lash up.  Any other images or details?
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on March 06, 2021, 10:28:06 PM
Per google, "No other sizes of this image found".

It looks to me like an early T-34 ARV with the 14.5mm on the back deck where the cargo/parts/tools box usually sits.
https://hobbylandbg.com/icm35371-icm-1-35-t-34-tyagach-model-1944-soviet-recovery-machine.html (https://hobbylandbg.com/icm35371-icm-1-35-t-34-tyagach-model-1944-soviet-recovery-machine.html)
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/resources/fact-files/fact-file-sf-kpv-145mm-heavy-machine-gun/ (https://www.defenceweb.co.za/resources/fact-files/fact-file-sf-kpv-145mm-heavy-machine-gun/)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 07, 2021, 02:22:19 AM
I'm wondering if it's actually a Su-100 with the lash up gun on the back deck.  From the angle shown it might look like a T-34:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/su-100-tank-destroyer_3.jpg)

It also looks like a ZPU-1 on the rear:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/ZPU-1_in_Iraq%2C_2003.JPEG)

Both would have been potentially available in Lebanon in 1982 too.  As for kits, there's a few Su-100s around in 1/35 along with ZPU-1s.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Frank3k on March 07, 2021, 04:00:47 AM
It's hard to tell from the picture - it's from an angle where both the Su-100 and T-34 are all but identical - but it looks like the Su-100 casement.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 14, 2021, 02:42:18 AM
Russian World War 2 T-34 tanks still fighting in Yemen war (https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_march_2021_global_security_army_industry/russian_world_war_2_t-34_tanks_still_fighting_in_yemen_war.html)

(https://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/news/2021/march/Soviet_World_War_2_T-34_tanks_still_fighting_in_Yemen_war_1.jpg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Frank3k on March 14, 2021, 08:39:27 AM
Is that the TC (or gunner) pulling the firing lanyard?
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Old Wombat on March 14, 2021, 10:40:47 AM
Nice to see they trust the gun enough to stay with the tank ,,, sorta! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: apophenia on March 16, 2021, 08:48:17 AM
Quote from: GTX_Admin on March 14, 2021, 02:42:18 AM
Russian World War 2 T-34 tanks still fighting in Yemen war (https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_march_2021_global_security_army_industry/russian_world_war_2_t-34_tanks_still_fighting_in_yemen_war.html)

The T-34/85 still seems to have a useful punch as a direct-fire support platform in such conflicts. Does anyone know what the HE content was for the Soviet 85 mm tank gun?

For close-support, the most promising round would seem to be the Soviet UO-365K with the thick-bodied O-365K fragmentation projectile. There's also a UO-365/O-365 combo which, as far as I can tell, differs only in fuse type.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 12, 2021, 08:13:32 AM
Swapping turrets between T-34 and Matilda.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/t-34_Matilda.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/e58f1c54-aee2-42c9-bc15-f72ec22af374/p/73ee7aae-dca3-4bd3-a0c2-a4ed1a956406)

I love Matilda hull with T-34 turret.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Mig Eater on July 12, 2021, 01:20:10 PM
Post-war T-34 fitted with a launching rail for the Izdeliye 10 missile (copy of the German V-1). This is a great set of photos showing what would be needed to launch a V-1 missile from a tank. In contrast to what you normally see with V-1's mounted on the Flak 41 (https://www.super-hobby.nl/zdjecia/6/1/2/20436_4-0002489_germany-v1-missile-launcher-with-e-100-body.jpg) ;D

Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Frank3k on July 13, 2021, 01:32:19 AM
Never seen that picture. It looks completely impractical. What's carrying the V-1?
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: elmayerle on July 13, 2021, 02:14:54 AM
I think a shorter launch ramp and a couple booster rockets, such as teh USN did with the Loon copy of the V-1 would work better here.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 15, 2021, 03:48:28 AM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/M51_T34.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/e58f1c54-aee2-42c9-bc15-f72ec22af374/p/0b0dd354-3f8f-4c6a-89f5-51c225ea7dbf)

To install this french 105mm gun in some other WWII turrets could be a good Idea IMO.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Logan Hartke on August 02, 2021, 03:53:39 AM
Some folks might find this interesting as another option for a T-34-85 turret lying around in a spares box.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51349841112_5c241574f6_b.jpg)

Ratel 85

Logan's Profiles - Ratel 85 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=144.msg187148#msg187148)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 24, 2021, 02:42:50 AM
T-34 on wheels and heavy M20

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/T34_wheels.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/e58f1c54-aee2-42c9-bc15-f72ec22af374/p/60fd3051-a9ce-408a-a9c3-0e05096a37bd)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: ysi_maniac on November 13, 2021, 10:45:56 AM
Heavy T-34 compared with its inspiration IS-III

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/HeavyT34(1).jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/e58f1c54-aee2-42c9-bc15-f72ec22af374/p/71a9dab6-ccda-47d9-8a80-07481dbb7677)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on December 04, 2021, 07:12:51 AM
T-34 hull with a T-62 turret, supposedly in Bulgarian.
Note the turret ring extensions.
(https://external-preview.redd.it/ivl_QN6QgSlOu2TaYjuSJk79OYUJ0FBQQUIwpB8KUGM.jpg?auto=webp&s=7660ab362cefebf24e1ea0c9a57986e778e4220f)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 04, 2021, 12:12:44 PM
^^^^ I like this idea. :smiley:
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 05, 2021, 01:45:51 AM
From Tank Encyclopedia (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/59_patton_fake_tanks):

Quote
There were some T-34 tanks that were modified to take a T-62 turret circa 1980 (believed to be in Bulgaria). They had the turret rings and hulls modified to fit the larger turret, and were used as bunkers near the Turkish/Greek borders. Despite reports that they could reportedly still drive, it seems to be the case that they were just immobile bunkers. They also reportedly remained in service at least 1996.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/19642565_1720855457929027_1065798164824234918_n.jpg)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/19598827_1720855411262365_3159049790681447808_n.jpg)

That said, here's what it may look like if done as an actual tank:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/19621291_1720854274595812_4826347390733431925_o.jpg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on December 07, 2021, 03:27:57 AM
I feel a Tier IV Donovian Militia build coming on....
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on December 17, 2021, 01:25:34 AM
Just messing around with a concept for YSI's benefit - Tamiya hull, Monogram turret.

Shows how you'd probably need a spacer 'box' between the hull and turret so the turret overhang would clear the engine cover hump.
(https://i.imgur.com/Duy7XmE.jpg?1)(https://i.imgur.com/uTmkFXb.jpg?1)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: ChernayaAkula on December 19, 2021, 10:10:20 AM
That looks interesting.  :smiley:

One wonders how the opposite would look. A T-34/85 turret on a Sherman hull?
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on February 03, 2022, 11:46:33 AM
German Training School 251/T34 mashup.
(https://preview.redd.it/6fmjxujam2c81.jpg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36a312496ab8e7b42d08f81dd6be785437dfa098)

edited to add - @ysi_maniac, you see this?
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on February 08, 2022, 01:52:48 AM
Suggestions where a propane main gun simulator* or a pyschops siren.
* Specifically, Yugoslavian.
(https://i.redd.it/7stg6v2tdxs41.jpg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 08, 2022, 02:17:34 AM
South African Vuvuzela equipped version?
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on February 08, 2022, 04:57:48 AM
Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 08, 2022, 02:17:34 AM
South African Vuvuzela equipped version?

IDF propane-actuated Shofar.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on March 30, 2022, 12:31:06 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Y4yj002.jpg?1)(https://scontent-iad3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/277300878_10224725985189764_7245805987022004597_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=19kby6K7XocAX8GaI9b&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.xx&oh=00_AT8z4RG2HeYyECUE00KwI7vyLaVxijDSXIrS59UAvX-JKw&oe=624802AF)

original photo for context
https://scontent-iad3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/276993800_10224725904067736_1748717360489832353_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=WCNJXXknt0kAX820H8u&tn=a4_FOSH0CEU_kS9F&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.xx&oh=00_AT-R1suOzXC_llNxqICDuLqrO03G044wDNDf8jgSKamzDQ&oe=6247F5A5
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Old Wombat on March 30, 2022, 12:58:22 AM
I don't know about anyone else but I need to ask (about the photo's in the context link); Where? What (happened)? and/or Why (does it look like that)? ???
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: robunos on March 30, 2022, 01:25:56 AM
Looks to me like a Ukrainian War Memorial, damaged in the fighting . . .


cheers,
Robin.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 30, 2022, 02:22:25 AM
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/1648524058442-png.662964/)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: raafif on March 30, 2022, 06:11:51 AM
I'm sure I saw that memorial intact just a few days ago on the news.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Old Wombat on March 30, 2022, 08:45:24 AM
Thanks, Greg.

I'm seeing one either slightly damaged or undamaged tank & parts of two, maybe three, completely destroyed tanks (at least one slightly catastrophic detonation).
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on March 30, 2022, 11:19:23 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on March 30, 2022, 12:58:22 AM
I don't know about anyone else but I need to ask (about the photo's in the context link); Where? What (happened)? and/or Why (does it look like that)? ???

Ukrainian 93rd Brigade claims to have hammered the Russian 4th Guards Tank Division and destroyed it's fighting capabilities at Trostyanets.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1587152/kremlin-forces-Russia-Stalingrad-tanks-ukraine-ont (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1587152/kremlin-forces-Russia-Stalingrad-tanks-ukraine-ont)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on March 30, 2022, 11:19:58 AM
Quote from: raafif on March 30, 2022, 06:11:51 AM
I'm sure I saw that memorial intact just a few days ago on the news.

In better times.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Trostyanets%27_Tank-34_na_Chest%27_183yi_Tankovoyi_Brygady_02_40yi_Armiyi_ploscha_%28YDS_7669%29.JPG/800px-Trostyanets%27_Tank-34_na_Chest%27_183yi_Tankovoyi_Brygady_02_40yi_Armiyi_ploscha_%28YDS_7669%29.JPG?20141013145431)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on March 30, 2022, 11:39:58 AM
Note the left side is still relatively untouched, so the dichotomy would make for an interesting diorama.

(https://video.newsserve.net/v/20220329/1333458247-Watch-drone-video-of-damage-in-Trostyanets-and_hires.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/McM7b9a.jpg?1)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on March 31, 2022, 12:55:45 AM
T-34/76 at the Soviet War Memorial in Berlin's Tiergarten covered by protestors' Ukrainian flag.

(https://i.imgur.com/EmlpS09.jpg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 31, 2022, 02:13:29 AM
To provide context for the location:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/0DE30817-E784-40AC-9A64-3F690B95A3A1.jpeg)

And some news with more photos:  https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/liberated-from-the-russians-a-visit-to-trostyanets-after-the-end-of-the-occupation-a-c088be53-5f6c-4059-8d46-68803276e473 (https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/liberated-from-the-russians-a-visit-to-trostyanets-after-the-end-of-the-occupation-a-c088be53-5f6c-4059-8d46-68803276e473)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: apophenia on March 31, 2022, 06:48:20 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on March 30, 2022, 08:45:24 AM
I'm seeing one either slightly damaged or undamaged tank & parts of two, maybe three, completely destroyed tanks (at least one slightly catastrophic detonation).

In the foreground of that first shot seems to be the remains of a 2S3 Akatsiya that has seen better days  :o
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Old Wombat on March 31, 2022, 09:07:27 AM
Yeah, my error; two SPG's that seem to have suffered slightly catastrophic detonations. ;)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Logan Hartke on March 31, 2022, 09:30:06 AM
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/1648524058442-png.662964/)

Quote from: apophenia on March 31, 2022, 06:48:20 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on March 30, 2022, 08:45:24 AM
I'm seeing one either slightly damaged or undamaged tank & parts of two, maybe three, completely destroyed tanks (at least one slightly catastrophic detonation).

In the foreground of that first shot seems to be the remains of a 2S3 Akatsiya that has seen better days  :o

2S19 Msta-S, actually.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: apophenia on March 31, 2022, 12:20:17 PM
Quote from: Logan Hartke on March 31, 2022, 09:30:06 AM
2S19 Msta-S, actually.

Thanks Logan. What was the tip-off for the type?
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on March 31, 2022, 04:50:14 PM
Quote from: apophenia on March 31, 2022, 12:20:17 PM
Quote from: Logan Hartke on March 31, 2022, 09:30:06 AM
2S19 Msta-S, actually.

Thanks Logan. What was the tip-off for the type?

The 2S3 Akatsiya uses a modified tracked chassis of the Krug (SA-4 Ganef) surface-to-air missile system.
The 2S19 Msta-S uses a hull that looks like a T72, but has thinner armor.
The junk pile you're looking at could easily be mistaken for a T72 wreck.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Old Wombat on March 31, 2022, 09:49:09 PM
Quote from: Story on March 31, 2022, 04:50:14 PM
The junk pile you're looking at could easily be mistaken for a T72 wreck.

Which is what I did, until apophenia made his SPG comment, then I saw the guns were wrong for the T-72. :-[
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Logan Hartke on March 31, 2022, 10:16:30 PM
Quote from: Story on March 31, 2022, 04:50:14 PM
Quote from: apophenia on March 31, 2022, 12:20:17 PM
Thanks Logan. What was the tip-off for the type?

The 2S3 Akatsiya uses a modified tracked chassis of the Krug (SA-4 Ganef) surface-to-air missile system.
The 2S19 Msta-S uses a hull that looks like a T72, but has thinner armor.
The junk pile you're looking at could easily be mistaken for a T72 wreck.

Absolutely right!
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on April 01, 2022, 12:22:45 AM
Quote from: Logan Hartke on March 31, 2022, 10:16:30 PM
Quote from: Story on March 31, 2022, 04:50:14 PM
Quote from: apophenia on March 31, 2022, 12:20:17 PM
Thanks Logan. What was the tip-off for the type?

The 2S3 Akatsiya uses a modified tracked chassis of the Krug (SA-4 Ganef) surface-to-air missile system.
The 2S19 Msta-S uses a hull that looks like a T72, but has thinner armor.
The junk pile you're looking at could easily be mistaken for a T72 wreck.

Absolutely right!


Of course it is! Use to teach that stuff in my sleep, which was good because most of the classes were asleep too.
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joseph-Keebler/publication/273656943/figure/fig2/AS:669165295775756@1536552847610/Frontal-Views-of-a-Russian-T-72-and-an-US-M1A1-Abrams-taken-from-military-issued.ppm)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on April 01, 2022, 12:24:52 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on March 31, 2022, 09:49:09 PM
Quote from: Story on March 31, 2022, 04:50:14 PM
The junk pile you're looking at could easily be mistaken for a T72 wreck.

Which is what I did, until apophenia made his SPG comment, then I saw the guns were wrong for the T-72. :-[

Look at all the MSTA suspension bits and pieces around the base of the T34 Memorial*

* Like how i brought the thread back on target there, Moderator? I crack myself up.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: apophenia on April 01, 2022, 11:36:02 AM
Thanks for the explanation Story  :smiley:

Quote from: Story on April 01, 2022, 12:24:52 AM
* Like how i brought the thread back on target there, Moderator? ...

Nice one   ;D
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: kim margosein on April 02, 2022, 11:18:41 AM
Now I understand the "Damaged tank" caption.  Our newspaper cropped the photo and I just saw the totalled recon vehicle. 
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on April 26, 2022, 09:11:11 PM
ZIPRA T-34/85 captured by the Rhodesians. Original caption claimed 1970, I think this might actually be later than that.
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e6/c0/24/e6c0248315e2cadff438cf2d68a189ee.jpg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on June 14, 2022, 12:54:45 PM
Chinese with 12 TPO 50 flamethrowers, although half a dozen water cooled Maxims could also work.

(https://i.imgur.com/yv23UQy.jpg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on September 08, 2022, 11:04:18 PM
Communist Chinese fire fighting tank
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/be/fa/c8/befac84134750532d430e445dfe8ea1f.jpg)

And from April 2021
Czech surrenders pink tank to police during arms amnesty
https://newsreadonline.com/czech-surrenders-pink-tank-to-police-during-arms-amnesty/

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/someone-surrendered-a-pink-tank-under-ongoing-weapon-amnesty-program_1.jpg

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/someone-surrendered-a-pink-tank-under-ongoing-weapon-amnesty-program_2.jpg
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 15, 2023, 11:14:51 AM
What if germans copied T-34 to produce a tank more german?

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/KruppPanther.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/KruppPanther.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 16, 2023, 02:13:59 AM
Quote from: ysi_maniac on July 15, 2023, 11:14:51 AM
What if germans copied T-34 to produce a tank more german?

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/KruppPanther.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/KruppPanther.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)

As opposed to the VK 30.01-30.02 (D)  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VK_30.01-30.02_(D))??

(https://leib-company.ru/13394-large_default/amusing-hobby-35a002-panzerkampfwagen-vk3002db-1-35.jpg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 18, 2023, 09:42:10 AM
2nd iteration  :smiley:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/T34panther.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/T34panther.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Mig Eater on August 02, 2023, 06:44:53 PM
Just came across this Cuban T-34 equipped with a 100mm KS-19 anti-aircraft gun. Now I'm off to find some T-34 & KS-19 model kits :P

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/6a/94/c0/6a94c002c9c1769d9636e602cdf46b61.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/93/58/a19358b44ac7b95ffd0f44ada200b652.jpg)

(https://i.redd.it/wlzo80b306971.jpg)

Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 03, 2023, 01:17:12 AM
Quote from: Mig Eater on August 02, 2023, 06:44:53 PM
Just came across this Cuban T-34 equipped with a 100mm KS-19 anti-aircraft gun. Now I'm off to find some T-34 & KS-19 model kits :P


T-34 is easy but for the KS-19 you really only have two options:

In 1/35:

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/817ounHevSL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg)

1/72:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/Image_3-8-2023_at_3.15_am.jpeg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Mig Eater on August 03, 2023, 02:34:58 AM
Yeah I've had the Trumpeter KS-19 on my wish list for a few years now with the idea of possibly kit bashing it with an Is-4 or Is-7 in the future. Finding out the Cuban's made a real life kit bash tho has inspired me to finally get one. Just mulling over which one of the many T-34 kits to get with it now...

Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 03, 2023, 03:18:46 AM
I have long planned to do something similar with a T-34 and a 1/35 Choroszy Soviet Model 1939 85mm Anti Aircraft Gun in the stash.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Mig Eater on August 03, 2023, 04:05:37 AM
You mean the U-20? I have that one on my todo list too :P

(https://warspot-asset.s3.amazonaws.com/articles/pictures/000/021/146/original/u20s05-8ffeb77b0e331637140a530f2df7ac87.jpg)

(https://warspot-asset.s3.amazonaws.com/articles/pictures/000/021/147/original/u20s06-59b06c9ba59b988cb9b5cdad3d2e8be9.jpg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 04, 2023, 01:07:35 AM
Not quite - mine will be more of a lash up field job.  It will also probably look closer to a Russian equivalent of the Panzer Selbstfahrlafette IV Ausf. C / Grille 10 / 8.8cm Flak 37 auf Sonderfahrgestell (and thus probably closer to that Cuban one in appearance):

(https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2016-04/1459963322_8.8cm-flak-auf-sonderfahrgestell-3.jpg)
(https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2016-04/1459963374_8.8cm-flak-auf-sonderfahrgestell-4.jpg)
(https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2016-04/1459963345_8.8cm-flak-auf-sonderfahrgestell-v2-1.jpg)
(https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2016-04/1459963317_8.8cm-flak-auf-sonderfahrgestell-v2-2.jpg)
(https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2016-04/1459963322_8.8cm-flak-auf-sonderfahrgestell-v2-3.jpg)
(https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2016-04/1459963387_8.8cm-flak-auf-sonderfahrgestell-2.jpg)
(https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2016-04/1459963378_8.8cm-flak-auf-sonderfahrgestell-1.jpg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 07, 2023, 02:15:52 AM
One I came across while looking up the U-20:  The SU-2-122, ordered in December of 1942. This was based on the T-34 chassis and was meant to provide indirect fire with 122 mm shells using two M-30 howitzers capable of firing simultaneously. The mass of the tank was 35 tons, and resulted in having to lengthen the T-34 hull by one road wheel, bringing to total up to six. The project was cancelled before being built.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-L8HIvlIkymg/UZFQMjvuvqI/AAAAAAAAAvc/Rnb5uVLQOGE/s1600/med-spgs-1.jpg)

CFBV
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Mig Eater on August 07, 2023, 05:09:20 AM
I've looked at that blueprint several times over the years but never noticed the extra wheel until you mentioned it ;D A stretched T-34 could be useful for all sorts of whifiry tho...

Apparently you can use the Su-2-122 in World of Tanks, you can view the 3D model for it here (https://tanks.gg/tank/su-2-122/model?vm=visual)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Mig Eater on August 10, 2023, 10:54:24 PM
The U-22 (aka the T-34/122), was a proposal from spring 1942 to fit the T-34 tank with a new turret equipped with a U-11 122mm howitzer. Only two crew members could fit inside the turret which was deemed not enough to operate the gun effectively, the project was canceled in favor of the SU-122. 

Factory #183 proposal
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WtYPY6tT50Y/V1AoHaJTL2I/AAAAAAAABWk/LLY3Yt1M210NTCDD9zZdyMa-fjj9bcuBQCLcB/s1600/t34-122_uztm_1.jpg)

Factory #8 proposal
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9DJKAzNGN_c/V1AoHfpzN3I/AAAAAAAABWg/YoeETVgUyKwdAezqG11s06OwNpfbbRM1ACLcB/s1600/t34-122_d11_2.jpg)


Unimodel make 1/72 scale kits of both versions.

(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/2/6/9/1005269-16133-76-pristine.jpg)

(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/2/7/5/1102275-13441-48-pristine.jpg)


Adam Wilder released a 1/35 resin conversion of the #8 version, long out of production tho so good luck finding one.

(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/6/9/8/275698-12290-89-pristine.jpg)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 11, 2023, 01:45:40 AM
 :smiley:
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 01, 2023, 03:28:37 AM
There is a T-34 in there somewhere:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/319839564_3004622923171890_8725928913776226358_n.png)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/319277206_488533169935410_3237391047399430346_n.png)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/319360862_1748689415504026_601712722030940051_n.png)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: raafif on September 01, 2023, 11:39:09 AM
Quote from: GTX_Admin on September 01, 2023, 03:28:37 AM
There is a T-34 in there somewhere:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/319839564_3004622923171890_8725928913776226358_n.png)

 :smiley:  very nice Jugoslav vehicle.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Old Wombat on September 01, 2023, 08:23:32 PM
I'm trying to figure out if it's concrete or camouflage ... :-\

Either way, it looks like a (barely) mobile bunker! ;)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 02, 2023, 03:04:09 AM
It was from 1943 and was an attempt to develop protection from new types of enemy shells, including HEAT.  You can see more details and photos here:

https://www.tankarchives.ca/2022/09/tsyganovs-armour.html (https://www.tankarchives.ca/2022/09/tsyganovs-armour.html)
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Old Wombat on September 02, 2023, 11:03:38 PM
So, it was concrete (top) & sand-filled steel (lower two) &, for all intents & purposes, I was right. ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Frank3k on September 03, 2023, 02:05:37 AM
The second (or third) greatest army in Ukraine is scratching its goat beard and going "hmmm"
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 03, 2023, 02:45:34 AM
Quote from: Frank3k on September 03, 2023, 02:05:37 AM
The second (or third) greatest army in Ukraine is scratching its goat beard and going "hmmm"

 ;D
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: apophenia on September 04, 2023, 06:05:07 AM
Quote from: GTX_Admin on September 02, 2023, 03:04:09 AM
It was from 1943 and was an attempt to develop protection from new types of enemy shells, including HEAT.  You can see more details and photos here:

https://www.tankarchives.ca/2022/09/tsyganovs-armour.html (https://www.tankarchives.ca/2022/09/tsyganovs-armour.html)

Interesting. In a way, Tsyganov's second approach - sand-plus-resin encased in steel boxes - is the Grandad applique armour to more modern MEXAS and AMAP add-ons.
Title: Re: T-34 and variants, all around the world
Post by: Story on November 02, 2023, 04:12:03 AM
Hungarian Revolution 1956
Blow'd up real good
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/394575534_18201838525283976_1497047721060871690_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=BG7ziDQwMp8AX8d4IB7&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=00_AfB3SB_sLmR96fwMH2cYwxkYa1sDhPRxiroYDjANbaOefQ&oe=65471FFD)