Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Completed GBs => Group and Themed Builds => Space GB => Topic started by: Tophe on February 19, 2014, 01:51:11 AM
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When I saw this group subject, I thought I will not participate alas :icon_sueno: , as I love only aircraft. BUT I changed my mind: I could transform an earth plane into a spacecraft, like this Mars-based Lightning: :-\ ???
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/Space38a_zps652b7986.jpg)
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When I saw this group subject, I thought I will not participate alas :icon_sueno: , as I love only aircraft. BUT I changed my mind: I could transform an earth plane into a spacecraft, like this Mars-based Lightning: :-\ ???
lovely!
and probably quite do-able with a bit of kit bashing ...
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Thanks!
And here is an outerspace Lightning:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/space38b_zps3e98810e.jpg)
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Cool idea! The booms on the Lightning make for great possibilities as well!
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Thanks for the suggesting.
Here is a Jupiter-based Lightning, without wing at all:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/space38c_zpsea8cf761.jpg)
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Nicely done! :)
A lot of movie space fighters seem to have long noses, more so than aeroplanes, which is odd when you think about it. it's as though they take some inspiration from drag cars as well as jet fighters. Maybe you could have pods that extend forwards from the Lightning's wing to get the same effect? They could be conical, like Soyuz boosters.
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The budget came immediately! Here are the moon roller and orbiter, W-38 R and O (W stands for Weaver Astrocraft Inc.):
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Excellent - nice one Tophe! :)
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Thanks for the suggesting.
Here is a Jupiter-based Lightning, without wing at all:
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/space38c_zpsea8cf761.jpg[/url])
Brilliant!! :-*
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Thanks!
Well, no more sketches but photographic proof of existence... (in Mars clouds of CO²):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/Space38d_zps6bc6482e.jpg)
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A drag racing P-38? Hmmm, now you've got me thinking. I have a couple of 1/24 Allisons as well! ;D
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What about a Lightning for Mercury? Without atmosphere there would be no drag, even for a cubic shape. And the energy source is solar obviously (for an unknown propulsion system, called "thermo-photoplasma-ionic")...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aacu_zps3b59f5a0.jpg)
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Breaking the 3D barrier to enter 4D ?
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What about a Lightning for Mercury? Without atmosphere there would be no drag, even for a cubic shape. And the energy source is solar obviously (for an unknown propulsion system, called "thermo-photoplasma-ionic")...
the invention of the cubic airplane!
it is as beautifully mysterious as the parallélépipède in Kubrik's 2001
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Thanks a lot!
And still for Mercury: another twin-boom solar spacecraft without propeller nor jet:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aacv_zps2b18082b.jpg)
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A drag racing P-38? Hmmm, now you've got me thinking. I have a couple of 1/24 Allisons as well! ;D
Take it to the lakes. ;)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BTS/TWIN_BELLYTANKER_01.jpg)
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What?! :icon_twisted: Accute heresy and/or madness :-\
You dare pretending the glorious Moon mission Apollo-2014 was a fake filmed on the Salty Lake at night??? Lord, your JC-38 roller and orbiters (JC-38R, JC-38 O, JC-38 O²) will never receive a single federal $ anymore!
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Still for outer-space, here is the hypersonic "vacuum-energy" cruizer...:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aacz_zps301742fc.jpg)
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Brilliant :)
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Thanks a lot!
And here is the long-range (inter-galactic) Lightning powered by solar wind, a sail-spacecraft, yes.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aada_zps129a34f3.jpg)
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I forgot to explain the colours:
- they are selected by my son who has never visited inter-galactic area
- like houses in Sweden snow, in outer space there is a lack of bright colours so the spacecraft wear flashing colours
- this is a tribute to our friend Ericr models and this spacecraft is named Ericraft...
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What?! :icon_twisted: Accute heresy and/or madness :-\
You dare pretending the glorious Moon mission Apollo-2014 was a fake filmed on the Salty Lake at night??? Lord, your JC-38 roller and orbiters (JC-38R, JC-38 O, JC-38 O²) will never receive a single federal $ anymore!
;D ;D :icon_fsm:
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Glad you like my absurdity, jcf...
Well, here is a summary of the space Lightinings you all helped me gathering:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38space_zps7983b26f.jpg)
Thanks again!
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Litening Space Station with the 2 asymmetric escape gliders:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aade_zps8f4a12bf.jpg)
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Heh! :)
Suggestions:
B-Wing Lightning : pod, one inner wing, engine/boom, one outer wing, weapon pod under wingtip.
Lightning space station with artificial gravity: replace the ball with a torus, then have two identical, asymetric Lightnings attached to the rim facing in the same direction of rotation, so that they can spin it with their engines
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Suggestions:
B-Wing Lightning : pod, one inner wing, engine/boom, one outer wing, weapon pod under wingtip.
My SF knowledge was so poor I did not know what is a B-wing (thanks Google), and here comes the B-Wing like Wea-38BW:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aadg_zps5c2d6073.jpg)
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Nicely done Tophe! That's just what I had in mind. :) :D
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Thanks a lot!
Suggestions:
Lightning space station with artificial gravity: replace the ball with a torus, then have two identical, asymetric Lightnings attached to the rim facing in the same direction of rotation, so that they can spin it with their engines
I am not sure I understand all while... here is the LW-38A Lord Weaver Space Station 1 (put in service in 2114):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aadi_zpsf0800c74.jpg)
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Isn't the Mak Faulke made out of two P-38 booms plus other parts?
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I forgot to explain the colours:
- they are selected by my son who has never visited inter-galactic area
- like houses in Sweden snow, in outer space there is a lack of bright colours so the spacecraft wear flashing colours
- this is a tribute to our friend Ericr models and this spacecraft is named Ericraft...
great color choice ;) ;) ;) thanks!
and great inspiration : a couple of rockets and an appropriately scaled P-38, it really is doable!
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Thanks Ericr!
Isn't the Mak Faulke made out of two P-38 booms plus other parts?
I didn't know what was the Mak Faulke (or Falke says Google) but we found it, and I drew it with the help of my son Jacky-Jemsey:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aadj_zpsd2447409.jpg)
Thanks!
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MF-38B, C, D, closer to the final one:
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Is because of Tophe's earlier (lotz of them) P-38 slanting views that I built the F-138.
Depending on your point of view, Tophe receives credit or blame.
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Realists will blame forever but I feel honoured, thanks finsrin! ;)
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From the space fell three flying saucers (Roswell, 1934), they inspired the design of the P-38 airplane...
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The best inspiration may be a Web-site called "Beyond the Sprues", Sci-Fi department...
Dear aeroplane driver presented such a space Lightning (XFA-77A) at http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1019.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1019.0)
and here are its forefathers XFA-38A, 38B, 76A:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairH_aadn.JPG)
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XFA-38A :-*
Like to build one of those.
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Thanks a lot!
Suggestions:
Lightning space station with artificial gravity: replace the ball with a torus, then have two identical, asymetric Lightnings attached to the rim facing in the same direction of rotation, so that they can spin it with their engines
I am not sure I understand all while... here is the LW-38A Lord Weaver Space Station 1 (put in service in 2114):
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aadi_zpsf0800c74.jpg[/url])
You understood perfectly Tophe: that's just what I had in mind! :)
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Isn't the Mak Faulke made out of two P-38 booms plus other parts?
Yes it is. IIRC, the body is made from a small car bodyshell (?)
(http://www.trooperpx.com/SF3D/Juliano/falke001.jpg)
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Thanks.
And of course, there was (or will be?) the long range versions of the UFO Interceptor model:
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I have found on the Web another space-P-38, the Porax-38 (see http://www.kid4life.com/yoda2/TitaniumImperialPorax38.htm (http://www.kid4life.com/yoda2/TitaniumImperialPorax38.htm)). I imagine older versions of it:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairH_aadp.JPG)
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Still for Moon roller and orbiters, I have been inspired by the TurboSquid collection
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/retro-turbo-concept-sonic-3ds-free/729589 (http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/retro-turbo-concept-sonic-3ds-free/729589)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aadq_zps03e8750e.jpg)
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And I have been inspired too by the space P-38 Lego of Sir Bugges at http://www.l3go.bugge.com/space_gallery/44.php (http://www.l3go.bugge.com/space_gallery/44.php) :
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairH_aads.JPG)
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I feel puzzled: I have seen that a spacecraft may have propellers (below) http://vi.sualize.us/x_wing_from_the_wwi_era_by_michael_psiaki_lego_starwars_star_wars_bricks_picture_8LxM.html (http://vi.sualize.us/x_wing_from_the_wwi_era_by_michael_psiaki_lego_starwars_star_wars_bricks_picture_8LxM.html)
And the Mars planet has indeed an atmosphere (of CO²) where a propeller may work, so (with liquid oxygen aboard to burn fuel) what's the difference with Earth planes?
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Anyway, here is - for outer space without landing - Lightnings inspired by Star Wars' TIE:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairH_aadu.JPG)
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Anyway, here is - for outer space without landing - Lightnings inspired by Star Wars' TIE:
warf!!!!
(it is a compliment ;) )
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I feel puzzled: I have seen that a spacecraft may have propellers (below) [url]http://vi.sualize.us/x_wing_from_the_wwi_era_by_michael_psiaki_lego_starwars_star_wars_bricks_picture_8LxM.html[/url] ([url]http://vi.sualize.us/x_wing_from_the_wwi_era_by_michael_psiaki_lego_starwars_star_wars_bricks_picture_8LxM.html[/url])
And the Mars planet has indeed an atmosphere (of CO²) where a propeller may work, so (with liquid oxygen aboard to burn fuel) what's the difference with Earth planes?
Back in the 1950's, when a bit less was know about Mars, it was believed that it might be possible to land with enormousgliders - Frank3K posted an excellent picture with the Glider in the background in Nil's Mars Tank thread.
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4127.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4127.0)
I don't know enough about atmospheric density to be certain, but at only 1% of the density of Earth's atmosphere, a propeller
driven craft working on our Mars deosn't seem likely. But on the Barsoom of John Carter....
http://www.universetoday.com/22603/mars-compared-to-earth/ (http://www.universetoday.com/22603/mars-compared-to-earth/)
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I like!
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More SF education for you: look up a Bespin Cloud Car. Basically two P-38 cockpit pods on a short wing.... ;)
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Thanks a lot Ericr and GTX!
Weaver and Dr YoKai, you have inspired new space-Lightnings of mine, thanks!
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairH_aadw.JPG)
PS. If you want your name to be removed from the end of my site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit (http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit) , just tell me and I will.
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Asking Google Pictures "twin-fuselage spacecraft", I have been surprised that the main subject was the terrestrial Space Ship 2. Well, this is already Space, yes. PSS-38:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairH_aadx.JPG)
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Of course, the Space Shuttle may be another inspiration but it is too big. The Space Chaser/Dream Chaser at http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24950-mini-space-shuttle-gears-up-to-chase-astronaut-dreams.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24950-mini-space-shuttle-gears-up-to-chase-astronaut-dreams.html) may be more appropriate a source:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairH_aady.JPG)
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And from the TV "Space-1999" I have imagined spatial P-38 VTOL:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairH_aadz.JPG)
(this is not serious: nobody knows what the future will be, in the year 1999...)
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The use of aircraft for Mars exploration has been worked on for some time:
http://quest.nasa.gov/aero/planetary/MarsAir.html (http://quest.nasa.gov/aero/planetary/MarsAir.html)
(http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/images/content/107199main_AME.gif)
AME (Airplane for Mars Exploration) NASA Ames, unpowered flights were very successful,
an attempt at powered flight at high altitude failed after the aircraft broke up, the cause
was believed to be the gyroscopic forces caused by the very large propeller required by
the thin atmosphere.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2001/01images/marsplane/marsplane.html (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2001/01images/marsplane/marsplane.html)
http://www.jmcgowan.com/marsplane.html (http://www.jmcgowan.com/marsplane.html)
ARES
(http://marsairplane.larc.nasa.gov/graphics/3view_600.jpg)
http://marsairplane.larc.nasa.gov/platform.html (http://marsairplane.larc.nasa.gov/platform.html)
This link includes a link to a free downloadable paper model of the ARES concept.
http://marsairplane.larc.nasa.gov/multimedia.html (http://marsairplane.larc.nasa.gov/multimedia.html)
More ARES images and videos.
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Thanks a lot jcf for this detailed source about extraterrestrial planes (I am very happy of the twin-boom design revival on this occasion!).
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Another "Space P-38" is at https://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=150504 (https://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=150504)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aaea_zps10feace9.jpg)
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And a turbojet/rocket compound (F-16) is described as spacecraft at http://www.deviantart.com/morelikethis/351439460/traditional/drawings/technical?offset=68&view_mode=2 (http://www.deviantart.com/morelikethis/351439460/traditional/drawings/technical?offset=68&view_mode=2)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aaeb_zpsb0019a03.jpg)
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These are crazy creative!! :-*
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Thanks, doctor!
Well, I mainly copy existing Science-Fiction craft, Ligntningizing them... like this famous X-wing of Star Wars:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aaed2_zpse14b2ae0.jpg)
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A Google search on "Naboo spacecraft" provided new ideas (Naboo is a word I encountered looking for "fighter spacecraft"):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairH_aaef.JPG)
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Miles designed a Naboo Fighter. ;)
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=664.msg5777#msg5777 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=664.msg5777#msg5777)
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Thanks jcf, you explained the mystery of the Miles-Lockheed MI-38, with its giant propellers: this was an airplane for Mars exploration!:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aaei_zps9d8b5745.jpg)
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;D :icon_fsm:
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;D :icon_fsm:
exactly! ;)
this thread is brionning the P-38 to unknown heights !!!
someone has to build some of these designs!
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Thanks a lot, this is too much honour! Remember I am just having fun... ;)
Like with these "Disney-like" Cars/Planes/Spacecraft:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairH_aaej.JPG)
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Back to "seriousness": 22nd century technology is based on remote nuclear jets lighted by solar panels...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aaek_zpsba12c197.jpg)
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Maybe being twin-engined was not enough to be a Lightning...:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aaen_zpsa4fac8b8.jpg)
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Thanks a lot, this is too much honour! Remember I am just having fun... ;)
Like with these "Disney-like" Cars/Planes/Spacecraft:
([url]http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairH_aaej.JPG[/url])
definitely need a like button for those ones
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Thanks! ;)
Do you have other ideas that I may try illustrating? ???
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Well, I have found another subject: a spaceplane 1938 with fireworks' technology...
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairH_aaeo.JPG)
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I really like the yellow one with the solar panels. The nice, bright sunny colors you used were an excellent choice!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks a lot...
You know, these Space-Lightnings were the first ones, but since the year 2138, magnetic propulsion has replaced jet (little) force:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aaep_zpsc1f882b2.jpg)
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Well, in the year 2238, I have admitted that life is a dream of mine, so mental power is enough to propel a spacecraft: :-\
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairH_aaeu.JPG)
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Thanks to Weaver's inspiration at http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4030.45 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4030.45)
here is the alien explanation of WW2 victory: extra-terrestrial airships were launching airplanes like our ones:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aaev_zpsb9512785.jpg)
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I try to keep seriousness but it is not easy: the P-38EM Excursion Module (or LEM: Lightning Excursion Module) was a fake that never landed on the Moon in 1939 despite the film "proof"...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/P38eclairH_aaex_zpsb0f21122.jpg)
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Thanks to Weaver's inspiration at [url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4030.45[/url] ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4030.45[/url])
here is the alien explanation of WW2 victory: extra-terrestrial airships were launching airplanes like our ones:
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_P38eclairH_aaev_zpsb9512785.jpg[/url])
This reminds me of an updated version of those Soviet bombers with little parasite fighters.
Of course, this is on a whole different level!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks Brian!
the P-38EM Excursion Module (or LEM: Lightning Excursion Module) was a fake that never landed on the Moon in 1939 despite the film "proof"...
On the contrary, the P-38MR Mars Rover (or LRM: Lightning Mars Rover) was a true prototype that landed on Mars planet a long time ago, in 2039...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/P38eclairH_aafa_zpsbe39b5c2.jpg)
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P-38MR marvelous :-*
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Thanks a lot finsrin for this joke with the MR letters...
Now 25th century:
from JoséFern's topic http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1715.225 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1715.225)
Gotta say that the Lightning III bears quite a strong resemblance to the Earth Defence Directorate Thunderfighter from the TV series "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century".
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The Angel Interceptor was also a Lightning-derivative. Here is the missing link:
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AAAH,,, so thatz it :)
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Thanks.
Of course, there was a 3-jet triple Angel Interceptor
see http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/Airfix_Angel_Interceptor_GB_Gallery_about29780.html (http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/Airfix_Angel_Interceptor_GB_Gallery_about29780.html)
and this Zwilling one came also from a Lightning:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/P38eclairH_aafk_zpsee71eeae.jpg)
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:-* Looks fast!!
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You are right: probably the P-38's canopy would explode long before reaching Mach 28 ;)
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You are right: probably the P-38's canopy would explode long before reaching Mach 28 ;)
mach 38 !? ;D
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Funny, thanks! ;)
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I've been inspired by the space car of Goonie at http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4083.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4083.0) . Thanks!
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairJ_aaab.JPG)
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I really like your Goonies, Tophe!
My favorite is the one on the right. I think widening the fuselage helps the canards look more prominent.
Your work is always a delight to me, mon ami!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks Brian!
Now, here are the SR-38A/B/C flying in the stratopause, 30km (100,000ft) altitude, which is almost space I think.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38eclairJ_aaaf.JPG)