Author Topic: star trek not quite (Read 14283 times)

kpnuts · « **on:** December 07, 2013, 04:42:14 AM »

Ok so i have an idea to convert an old model of mine of The Star Trek Enterprise(form the original series).
I am going to assume the Russians won the space race so the first thing is a colour scheme change. I can find no reference to a nuclear powered Russian aircraft carrier. so I shall rename her after their Kirov class battlecuiser the Ushakov (unless someone on here knows different and they did have a nuclear powered aircraft carrier) I am going to have a go at scribing some detail on to her as there is not much on the model. I am going to create a diaorama in which she is crippled after a massive space battle, and since she is a cutaway model i think she will lend herself to this quite well I have done a bit of looking on the net and since she is 1\650th scale there is only a choice of 2 antagonists in this scale the Romulan bird of prey or the Klingon battle cruiser (or i could throw scale out the window (I mean they dont really exist anyway) and go for Romulan war bird)).So here are some pics of her cleaned off (no decals any more).

and some rough drawn on detail lines i am going to try scribing taken from NCC 1701 D

elmayerle · « **Reply #1 on:** December 07, 2013, 05:01:15 AM »

Their first nuclear-powered carrier never got far enough to be named (personally, I think the US should've bought it and had it completed to US habitiability standards as a test ship; it could've been named after someone revered by both navies, Pavel Ivanovich Jones, a.k.a. john Paul Jones). The only ohter name you might could use would be oen that appeared in one of the early ST:TNG novels.

Silver Fox · « **Reply #2 on:** December 07, 2013, 05:10:16 AM »

Potemkin would make a good name for the ship. Has the advantages of being Russian, of significant historical value... and Star Trek canon as it is a name used for a "real" Federation Starship. IIRC the "real" Potemkin was lost at the Battle of Wolf 359 vs the Borg.

Should be an interesting build no matter the name.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #3 on:** December 07, 2013, 05:25:02 AM »

Quote from: kpnuts on December 07, 2013, 04:42:14 AM

I can find no reference to a nuclear powered Russian aircraft carrier.

Well, there was the Ulyanovsk class nuclear-powered carrier though this never was completed.

And the earlier Project 1153 OREL which never left the drawing board.

Either way though, this is a great idea you have and I can't wait to see the result.

kpnuts · « **Reply #4 on:** December 07, 2013, 05:44:13 AM »

Where do you guys find all this info lots of good advice love the Potemkin idea not sure how the scribing is going to work out not tried it before still beats the model just sitting on a shelf gathering dust.

kpnuts · « **Reply #5 on:** December 08, 2013, 01:50:55 AM »

hi just done a bit of scribing not a good start

Brian da Basher · « **Reply #6 on:** December 09, 2013, 04:19:42 AM »

That looks pretty good to me, kp! I, too, find scribing quite challenging.

I'm really looking forward to seeing where you take this!

Brian da Basher

kpnuts · « **Reply #7 on:** December 09, 2013, 06:36:25 AM »

re worked scribing bit of tidying to do bit quite pleased so far

Brian da Basher · « **Reply #8 on:** December 11, 2013, 04:22:53 AM »

That's some very excellent scribing, kp! Some of the best I've seen recently! No small feat given the complexity of the pattern.

Brian da Basher

kpnuts · « **Reply #9 on:** December 11, 2013, 05:55:36 AM »

Done the other half tonight busy cutting holes in the hull to show damage, had to separate the top from the bottom as well, I've realised I will have to put some inner decks in to show under the blast holes,more and more work.

taiidantomcat · « **Reply #10 on:** December 11, 2013, 09:38:04 AM »

Quote from: kpnuts on December 11, 2013, 05:55:36 AM

Done the other half tonight busy cutting holes in the hull to show damage, had to separate the top from the bottom as well, I've realised I will have to put some inner decks in to show under the blast holes,more and more work.

Thats how I build! Give myself more and more work!

Excellent work on the rescribing :)

kpnuts · « **Reply #11 on:** December 11, 2013, 02:35:41 PM »

Trouble is I was just going to put some blast marks on the hull then I started looking at some pics from space films of damage on those ships and I think oh yes I can do that,----and that------and that----- before you know where you are its gone from a simple idea to something else entirely. Haven't figured out how to do it yet but I am keeping the bits I am cutting from the hull as I would like to find a way of making it look as though they have been blown off and are drifting in space with the ship I did think about a length of fibre optic but I don't think it would be strong enough to support the plastic at far enough from the ship to look effective.

kpnuts · « **Reply #12 on:** December 12, 2013, 04:49:08 AM »

So this is where i am at now, thinking of cutting some of the edge away showing some superstructure in there not sure if it would be too much what do you think.

Silver Fox · « **Reply #13 on:** December 12, 2013, 05:29:45 AM »

Very cool so far!

For the "floating off" sections maybe you could disguise a support behind the same type of stuff folks use to make clouds or smoke... sort of like a plume of pressurized air shooting out of the damaged section?

Of course, one or two section mostly detached but hanging one by the one "power conduit" is doable.

Looking forward to watching the rest of this.

kpnuts · « **Reply #14 on:** December 12, 2013, 05:54:28 AM »

Yes the power conduit idea could work thanks for that

Old Wombat · « **Reply #15 on:** December 12, 2013, 01:41:50 PM »

Some stretched clear sprue may, also, work.

There was a picture floating around somewhere of an Aussie dio of the Mad Max scene where the MPF Pursuit car is crashing through the caravan with bits flying all over the place that was beautifully executed, which may be helpful.

Unfortunately, I'm not because I can't remember where. $:-\$

:)

Guy

kpnuts · « **Reply #16 on:** December 12, 2013, 03:06:56 PM »

Thanks for that iremember that part of the film will try and find out about that maybe a combo of the two techniques will work

kpnuts · « **Reply #17 on:** December 13, 2013, 02:06:39 AM »

Hi all maybe I am working backwards but I thought I would create a backstory for this build. So here goes (I have been very loose with the original story so please forgive me all you hard and fast fans of Star Trek)

On the 13th of September 1959 the USER landed the first manned spacecraft the USSRSC 1701 Rasputin on the moon. It was piloted by Russian cosmonauts Loenid Popov, Svetlana Savitskaya and Aleksandr Serebrov.
10 years later the USSRSC 1701 F Igor manned ship landed on Mars and promptly vanished, a second craft was immediately sent to investigate the disappearance and found no evidence whatever of the craft. It was decided that no further flights to Mars would be made until the disappearance was solved. 30 years later the original crew reappeared and explained that they had been contacted by an alien race called zulcans and invited to their planet and after 30 years of of studying them the zulcans decided humans were ready for interplanetary travel and gave them the plans for a warp drive, and so we built our first warp drive ship and we began our exploration of space.
The first captain of the USSRSC Vladimir Putin was Jarod T Kirkovski.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #18 on:** December 13, 2013, 02:21:01 AM »

:)

Silver Fox · « **Reply #19 on:** December 13, 2013, 05:40:27 AM »

You will need a very young American at navigation... someone who can tell the Captain "I know of this warp drive, it was originally invented in Iowa" :)

Modelling_Mushi · « **Reply #20 on:** December 15, 2013, 07:56:14 PM »

Quote from: Silver Fox on December 13, 2013, 05:40:27 AM

You will need a very young American at navigation... someone who can tell the Captain "I know of this warp drive, it was originally invented in Iowa"

May I suggest the ice hockey playing 1st Lt Budd E. Check?

kpnuts · « **Reply #21 on:** December 16, 2013, 02:43:01 AM »

Ok so i have started putting some decks in the blast holes, still got to add damage and paint some detail on the interior but i think like the progress so far (fare bit of filling and rescribing where the two halves of the hull stick together its been a real pain to get anywhere near a good fit)

Klaus Wachsmuth · « **Reply #22 on:** December 16, 2013, 10:30:23 AM »

Quote from: Old Wombat on December 12, 2013, 01:41:50 PM

Some stretched clear sprue may, also, work.

There was a picture floating around somewhere of an Aussie dio of the Mad Max scene where the MPF Pursuit car is crashing through the caravan with bits flying all over the place that was beautifully executed, which may be helpful.

Unfortunately, I'm not because I can't remember where. $:-\$

:)

Guy

Here you go...the demise of the Big Bopper.

kpnuts · « **Reply #23 on:** December 16, 2013, 02:46:54 PM »

That is just awesome totally amazing looks like freeze frame photo.

kpnuts · « **Reply #24 on:** December 28, 2013, 03:54:22 AM »

hi all a quick update no where i am now

made some inner decks and started new colour scheme. no damage painted yet thought about using a heated soldering iron to do some laser damage don know if that would work. what do you guys think.

kpnuts · « **Reply #25 on:** January 05, 2014, 02:29:39 AM »

hi all little bit more of an update

still no damage painted yet cant decide on hammer and siccle or star symbol.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #26 on:** January 05, 2014, 03:42:40 AM »

father ennis · « **Reply #27 on:** January 05, 2014, 09:02:01 AM »

Love it !!!

elmayerle · « **Reply #28 on:** January 05, 2014, 12:32:45 PM »

I'd go for just the red star, it's lasted longer as a symbol.

kpnuts · « **Reply #29 on:** January 06, 2014, 02:02:00 AM »

just a small update i have started adding damage to it

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #30 on:** January 06, 2014, 02:33:48 AM »

Wow! :)

father ennis · « **Reply #31 on:** January 07, 2014, 05:16:35 AM »

Kool !

finsrin · « **Reply #32 on:** January 07, 2014, 05:50:16 PM »

Quote from: father ennis on January 07, 2014, 05:16:35 AM

Kool !

Ditto on that !
Is fine battle damage :)
Looks like saucer section can readily be scaled down or up by kitbashing center housing. Such as 1/48 to 1/1200.

taiidantomcat · « **Reply #33 on:** January 08, 2014, 01:23:41 AM »

Thats awe-inspiring work, and not just on that great battle damage, but the lettering as well (my god letters can be challenging!!)

kpnuts · « **Reply #34 on:** January 09, 2014, 02:05:05 AM »

another small update

not sure what to use for explosions, tried cotton wool but when sprayed it just goes soggy dont look much like an explosion then thought i may blow up some latex gloves cover the fingers with tissue and then dope it, then let the gloves down glue all parts together then paint orange yellow and black. i could then possibly light it up with leds to really look like an explosion. i dont think the explosions in space would be very big as the only oxygen to fuel the explosion would be the oxygen on board the space ship.what do you guys think.

father ennis · « **Reply #35 on:** January 09, 2014, 08:41:33 AM »

Something I saw once was a Viet Nam diorama with an F4 having just dropped it's ordinance. The guy used a combo of black painted cotton for smoke and some yellow/orange clear candy wraper. It was lit from below as well as inside the "explosion. Give this some thought.

MaxHeadroom · « **Reply #36 on:** January 09, 2014, 03:11:36 PM »

No or little oxygen/atmosphere = no or little explosion.
Flames needs oxygen and shockwaves needs a transportation medium.

Any way: great job until now!

But: don't you think, a russian/sovjet spaceship needs kyrillic-letters?

Max

kpnuts · « **Reply #37 on:** January 09, 2014, 04:01:44 PM »

It was originally in English and that was pointed out to me what it reads is USSRSC 1701 RASPUTIN and it was a real pain to change since I had already painted the damage.

Brian da Basher · « **Reply #38 on:** January 16, 2014, 04:53:38 AM »

I really like the idea of a Soviet-themed starship!

Still watching with great interest,
Brian da Basher

kpnuts · « **Reply #39 on:** January 19, 2014, 02:23:13 AM »

a small update

Started on the other parts now (need to eat lots of choc for the explosions need the wrappers) so will be getting back to the saucer when i have enough wrappers (well thats my excuse for eating chocs anyway).

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #40 on:** January 19, 2014, 03:39:58 AM »

Quote from: kpnuts on January 19, 2014, 02:23:13 AM

...need to eat lots of choc for the explosions need the wrappers... when i have enough wrappers ...well thats my excuse for eating chocs anyway

You sticking to that excuse?

kpnuts · « **Reply #41 on:** January 19, 2014, 04:33:36 AM »

What excuse its the er um truth

father ennis · « **Reply #42 on:** January 19, 2014, 10:59:47 AM »

Perhaps,my friend, you should try using the heavy foil sealing coffee cans. The large one from a 2 lb. can should do fine. Notto mmention, you won't gain the weight as from chocolate ! All that caffeine will certainly speed your modeling,too !

kpnuts · « **Reply #43 on:** January 19, 2014, 05:28:09 PM »

Ha ha trouble is I don't drink coffee and the sugar rush from the chocs will probably have the same effect on my modeling speed.


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