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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2015, 05:35:14 AM »
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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2015, 05:55:14 PM »
OKaaayyyy .... so is that Sopwith thing supposed to be hand cranked ???

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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2015, 08:07:52 PM »

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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2015, 09:35:32 AM »
Work in progress ::

I am giving up listing them. They all end up on the shelf of procrastination anyways.

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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2015, 10:03:19 AM »
That top one is awesome! 8)
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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2015, 05:23:07 PM »
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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2015, 11:13:56 PM »
Just found this

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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2015, 02:36:00 AM »
 :)
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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2015, 12:19:42 PM »
Great finds all around!!
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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2015, 03:34:15 AM »
That last one looks like it could be the son of the Bell Eagle eye UAV:



Which incidentally, could have become an Australian product since full manufacturing and development rights for it were included as part of Bell's AIR-87 offering...so there's another piece of inspiration for you.  Maybe an alternate history/profile/model whereby Bell wins AIR-87 with the ARH-1Z.  Thus you could se both the above Eagle-eye UAV and this:



In this scheme:

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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2015, 08:40:20 AM »
Why does the Cobra look so much more dangerous a beast than the Tiger? ???
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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2015, 12:13:25 PM »
Come on guys.. now I have seen 4 things I want to build. I was originally considering opting out of this Gb, but.......... ;)

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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2015, 07:32:07 AM »
Why does the Cobra look so much more dangerous a beast than the Tiger? ???
Probably because Bell has more experience and knows that looks are as important as performance (not that the Cobra, particularly the T700-powered ones, lack in performance).

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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2015, 05:50:17 PM »
Why does the Cobra look so much more dangerous a beast than the Tiger? ???

Because it flies!

A RAEME mate who maintained them told me that getting more than a couple of Tigers up at a time was a rarity and having none at all air worthy happened too often.

Just an aside, does anyone beside me think the Aussie Army needs a darker green than the one they use?
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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2015, 09:59:54 PM »
Just an aside, does anyone beside me think the Aussie Army needs a darker green than the one they use?

Lose the black & replace it with something like the old Foliage Green, the paler green works it some areas but the black doesn't work anywhere - except after a bushfire.
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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2015, 02:36:18 AM »
Artoor's work on the AVX Kiowa prompted me to Google the company, and it looks like they intend something a little more ambitious down the line.


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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2015, 02:44:49 AM »

A RAEME mate who maintained them told me that getting more than a couple of Tigers up at a time was a rarity and having none at all air worthy happened too often.



From the last couple of weeks as part of Exercise Talisman Sabre:




Just an aside, does anyone beside me think the Aussie Army needs a darker green than the one they use?


Some closeups to better show the colours:













Re the green, this was selected based upon the environment the aircraft are expected to operate.  The other colours do work - you would be surprised how much effort the ADF puts into this.

Re the comments (that regularly come up re the Tiger vs platforms such as the Apache and Cobra), please remember that the AIR-87 program under which the Tiger was acquired was to provide a reconnaissance and fire support capability.  The primary role is reconnaissance and the platforms were essentially replacements for the Kiowas.
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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2015, 08:54:47 PM »

A RAEME mate who maintained them told me that getting more than a couple of Tigers up at a time was a rarity and having none at all air worthy happened too often.



From the last couple of weeks as part of Exercise Talisman Sabre:





Ummm.....did they truck them in?  None of them are actually flying in that shot  ;D

I must admit the conversation where he said this went along the lines of:

Me "a Tiger flew over work the other day"
Him " don't say that, you'll jinx them"
Me "Huh?"
Him "If you say you saw one flying they will get grounded again"
Me "Oh"
Him "yep, we only just got the one that had an emergency landing at RAAF Darwin back"
Me "What happened"
Him "A warning light came on so the pilot took it down at the nearest suitable location, the problem related to a part we've had on back order for a couple of months, 10 minute fix once we got the part"
Me "that happen often?"
Him "too often, that's why they still don't have FOC"

Interestingly I have similar issues with my French car, bit quirky, good enough at what its meant to do, but God help me if anything breaks.

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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2015, 09:01:38 PM »
I'm likin' what I'm seein'....

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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2015, 08:20:58 AM »
Not exactly the same of course but Turkey paints their AH-1Ws in similar colors  :)



Would look pretty good  :)
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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2015, 03:56:32 PM »
Saw a pair of UH-1Y in the air today, much, much quieter than anything resembling a Huey I've ever seen before, I could be mistaken but it even seem quieter than an Blackhawk.

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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2015, 03:44:38 AM »
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2015, 03:49:47 AM »
None of them are actually flying in that shot  ;D



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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2015, 07:26:42 PM »
I'm stirring you Greg, they fly over my house regularly and I actually quite like them and believe they deliver a much needed capability and will serve us well (hopefully only ever in training and exercises).  They also happen to have been a procurement debacle like almost every other program from the late 90s to the mid / late 2000s, the problem is not the platform but rather the process they were procured under with its unrealistic schedule, lack of risk mitigation (it could be argued there was actually no understanding of the risks involved), poor contract, lack of accountability etc etc.  Not just this project but every defence project of the time with the exception of a handful of FMS buys.

Actually if I recall correctly the front runner was actually a modified Mangusta which to be honest would not have met a number of key requirements and the Tiger was definitely the better option of the two.  The Apache was seen as too specialised, too expensive and basically too much helicopter for the requirement, which was actually more along the lines of the cancelled Comanche.  The Cobra has its fans but the model offered was the Whiskey, not the Zulu as many think, so was actually approaching the end of its life cycle which alone made it unsuitable for the Australian requirement.

Due to the timing of the Australian competition and the requirement for an armed reconnaissance helicopter the Tiger was actually the best option.  Things changed, the world changed and the Tiger took a lot longer to get into service than it should have, it was a lot more developmental than realised, Australia actually having to take the lead in some areas and force to wait for others.  The sad, or scary, thing is, now it is in service and doing what it was intended to do, come midlife, it may actually prove better value for money to replace them than to retain them.

My digs at the type are more out of frustration at our dodgy (more incompetent than dishonest) procurements during the period.
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Re: Upward Inspiration
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2015, 10:16:44 PM »

Actually if I recall correctly the front runner was actually a modified Mangusta which to be honest would not have met a number of key requirements


Well, I don't know about that    ;)
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