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AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« on: July 30, 2021, 03:03:56 AM »
Seems we don't have a thread dedicated to this tank and its derivatives so here goes.

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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2021, 03:19:24 AM »
Lots of variations/derivatives:

Basic AMX-30:



Updated AMX-30B2 BRENUS:



Prototype AMX-30 ACRA fitted with a 142mm gun able to fire the supersonic ACRA (Anti-Char Rapide Autopropulsť) ATGM:



Bridgelayer and Reengineering vehicles:



Air Defence Variants:




Pluton:



SPH:



Stealth:



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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2021, 03:24:04 AM »
Some whatif options:

West German AMX-30 instead of Leopard 1?
Australian AMX-30?
Israeli AMX-30?
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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2021, 03:53:10 AM »
Or, Leopard turret on an AMX-30 hull?
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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2021, 08:55:37 AM »
Some whatif options:

West German AMX-30 instead of Leopard 1?
Australian AMX-30?
Israeli AMX-30?

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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2021, 12:45:31 AM »
Or, Leopard turret on an AMX-30 hull?


Something like this:



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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2021, 01:07:45 AM »
AMX Javelot:



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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2021, 01:08:48 AM »
And a different AA gun version:

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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2021, 01:33:14 AM »
I've often found the 20mm cannon on the AMX-30 interesting:


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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2021, 01:33:46 AM »
Some whatif options:

West German AMX-30 instead of Leopard 1?
Australian AMX-30?
Israeli AMX-30?

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For which one?
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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2021, 11:14:37 AM »
Some whatif options:

West German AMX-30 instead of Leopard 1?
Australian AMX-30?
Israeli AMX-30?

Wash your mouth out GTX 😯

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For which one?

AMX-30 replacing Leopard - period 😉😂

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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2021, 10:27:37 PM »
Or, Leopard turret on an AMX-30 hull?

Wasn't the opposite considered when relationships cooled between France and West Germany in the early sixties? Or at the least using the German prototype for a hull mated with the French prototype turret that led to the AMX-30?

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Some whatif options:

West German AMX-30 instead of Leopard 1?
Australian AMX-30?
Israeli AMX-30?

I would love to see what an Israeli fielded AMX-30 would look like after upgrades.

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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2021, 02:14:47 AM »
I would love to see what an Israeli fielded AMX-30 would look like after upgrades.

Dare I say, something like the AMX-30B2 BRENUS:

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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2021, 02:25:03 AM »
A model kit awaiting an Israeli scheme:

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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2021, 02:27:31 AM »
Shahine SAM based upon AMX-30 chassis:




plus supporting acquisition vehicle:




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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2021, 02:34:51 AM »

AMX-30 replacing Leopard - period 😉😂



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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2021, 04:18:02 AM »
Of course any thread on the AMX-30 should probably also include the AMX-32 derivative:

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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2021, 08:31:12 AM »


IMHO, first possibility is really practical and AFAIK this project existed when AMX-30 and Leopard 1 were conceived and when Spain planned to upgrade their AMX-30. It was named project LeoX

See this thread, devoted to another project, in which project LeoX is mentioned: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/spanish-german-lince.4955/

See this too: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/franco-german-mbt60.34973/

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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2021, 09:41:54 AM »
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Wasn't the opposite considered when relationships cooled between France and West Germany in the early sixties? Or at the least using the German prototype for a hull mated with the French prototype turret that led to the AMX-30?

Yes, you are right Zaskar24, I have read that also.
I've also read:
-The French turret was a better layout than the original Leopard 1 turret layout, but this discrepancy changed with the Leo 1A3 turret design;
-The French 105mm gun was better (although I'm under the impression that this was in comparison to the then 90mm gun that the Bundeswehr stipulated - as opposed to the Royal Ordnance L7 105mm that would be used);
-The German's were willing to consider the French turret and gun in an effort to save to cooperative program from failing.

At the end of the day, I think it's very evident that the Leopard 1 design was superior in most aspects when compared to the AMX-30.
Perhaps one should keep in mind, Post-WWII, a vast majority of French military program was geared towards export and not just the French military wants and needs.

As for the Israeli AMX-30, I think the reality was both the Leopard 1 and AMX-30 wouldn't have been heavily protected enough according to IDF doctrine - hence their continues reliance and perseverance with the Centurion as their main MBT till the advent of the Merkava.

Alas, it is 'WhatIf' and I should crawl back into my hole. 😉

Look forward to what you bring to the topic Zaskar24

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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2021, 09:43:19 AM »


IMHO, first possibility is really practical and AFAIK this project existed when AMX-30 and Leopard 1 were conceived and when Spain planned to upgrade their AMX-30. It was named project LeoX

See this thread, devoted to another project, in which project LeoX is mentioned: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/spanish-german-lince.4955/

See this too: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/franco-german-mbt60.34973/

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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2021, 09:48:50 AM »
Of course any thread on the AMX-30 should probably also include the AMX-32 derivative:



Yes GTX, the AMX-32 was a vast improvement over the legacy AMX-30. Never understood why the French army never incrementally adopted it, and yet allowed itself to be equipped for so long with an otherwise obsolete legacy AMX-30....🤔
But again, the AMX-32 was prodomantly aimed at export rather than domestic needs/requirements......

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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2021, 10:02:43 AM »
Ok, so this is where I think I might have read it - from our own resident ysi_maniac:

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During trials, Leopard performed better in mobility parameters, but AMX-30 won in accuracy and fire power. Thus an AMX turret with Leopard hull was proposed.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/spanish-german-lince.4955/

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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2021, 02:15:54 AM »
Another french proposal for IDF: AMX-32 turret. 8)

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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2021, 01:24:23 AM »
Looking at the Roland version, I wonder about a whiff version using HOT missiles as missile anti tank version - maybe a set up such as the AMX-10P/HOT:



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Re: AMX-30 Tank Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2021, 01:35:22 AM »
Or perhaps just put missiles on the turret in a similar fashion to the AMX-13 HIT versions:


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