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Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« on: February 12, 2012, 05:13:29 AM »
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A thread dedicated to your land based Anti-Aircraft system ideas and inspiration.  This includes, Self Propelled Anti-Aircraft systems (SPAAGS), Surface to Air Missiles (SAMs) and anything else that matches...including even oddities such as this:

Zippermeyer Wirbelwind Kanone:



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Dr. Zippermeyer, an eccentric Austrian inventor working at an experimental establishment at Lofer in the Tyrol, designed and built a series of highly unorthodox anti-aircraft weapons that were observed very closely by the Reichsluftfahrtamt (Office of Aeronautics) in Berlin. Due to the overwhelming numerical air superiority of the Allies every effort was made during the last year of the war to find ways of exploiting any known phenomenon that could bring down the heavy bombers of the USAAF and RAF.
 
Dr. Zippermeyer constructed both a huge Wirbelwind Kanone (Whirlwind Cannon) and Turbulenz Kanone (Vortex Cannon). Both had the same goal - to knock down enemy bombers through clever manipulation of air.

To achieve this, the “Wind Cannon” used a detonation of hydrogen and oxygen to form a highly compressed plug of air that was channeled through a long tube that was bent at an angle and fired like a shell towards enemy aircraft. Impossible as this may seem the Wind Cannon did particularly well on the ground - breaking one inch thick wooden boards from a range of 200 yards! This promising development, however, meant nothing against the Allied bombers that were flying at 20,000 ft! Nevertheless, taken from the Hillersleben Proving Grounds the Wind Cannon was used in defense of a bridge over the Elbe River in 1945. Either there were no aircraft present or the cannon had no effect because it was still intact where it was found.
 
The Turbulenz Kanone, by comparison, was a large caliber mortar sunk into the ground with fired coal dust and slow burning explosive shells to create an artificial vortex. This also worked well on the ground but again the problem was the same - how to generate a large enough effect to reach the aircraft. Zippermeyer did not know if the pressure changes of this device would be sufficient to cause structural damage to an aircraft but the vortex would definitely have an effect on the wing loading as even clear air turbulence had brought down civilian airliners.


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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2012, 06:35:30 AM »
Does anyone know if you can get a kit in 1/35 of the Green Mace Anti-Aircraft Gun?




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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2012, 06:56:37 AM »
The question would be more "what 35th scale AAGs can you get?"  As a rule they're very rare on the ground excepting Bofors & German kit in general.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2012, 04:55:35 AM »
I dub thee "Porcupine":

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2012, 04:58:06 AM »
Add Vertical launched AMRAAM to a LVTP7 and what do you get?  This:

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2012, 05:06:36 AM »
M2 based SPAAS:

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2012, 05:08:43 AM »
Well, not necessarily a SPAAG...but one could imagine:




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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2012, 05:25:12 AM »
Why on earth didn't they fit that 'Green Mace' gun in a tank chassis - it would have been awesome!!

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2012, 05:42:46 AM »
Imagine it in the anti-tank role?
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2012, 07:46:13 AM »
That's what I meant - imagine the firepower!

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2012, 12:14:51 PM »
Rate of fire would have been impressive but the L7 105mm tank gun had a higher muzzle velocity and so a better penetration - with standard AP.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2012, 06:11:27 PM »
Another:


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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2012, 02:44:22 AM »
Random idea:

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2012, 02:44:54 AM »
Rate of fire would have been impressive but the L7 105mm tank gun had a higher muzzle velocity and so a better penetration - with standard AP.

Maybe...but looking from a coolness factor... ;)
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2012, 02:46:12 AM »
Another random idea:

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2012, 04:48:45 PM »
oooo...i like that one  :D
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2012, 12:00:30 AM »
Link to images of Diethelm Berlage's model of Project DRAGON SPAAG based on the Marder IFV in 1/35th scale on Track-Link

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2012, 02:49:16 AM »
I like how he has used the AMX 30 DCA turret - I have thought of doing the same as a starting point for a Matador.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2012, 02:56:42 AM »
One I came across a while back:

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2012, 08:06:24 AM »
I still like the Stuart light tanks with the quad .50's.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2012, 01:33:47 PM »
I still like the Stuart light tanks with the quad .50's.


... or the Yugoslav M3A3 with the 20mm flakvierling:


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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2012, 05:07:18 AM »
Something a little different

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2012, 06:00:10 AM »
Wicked!  What was the story behind it?
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2012, 08:16:18 AM »
Wicked!  What was the story behind it?


Apparently it was something put together by Aberdeen Proving Ground just to see if it would work which makes it a shoe-in for the what-if world. 
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2012, 01:25:13 PM »
Would be interesting in the convoy protection role.
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