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Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration
« on: January 26, 2012, 09:55:53 AM »
Hi folks,

Triggered by this comment of Evans, in Maverick's profile thread:

I suspect that Austrian one would be configured as a heavy interceptor.  'Twould be interesting to see the weapons fit on such an aircraft.

Her eis a thread for your dedicated Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration.

To start with, I like Evan's idea...maybe also for France and Australia.  What missiles though?

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Re: Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2012, 09:58:32 AM »
Another idea is for a RAAF Mirage IV armed with pave tack pod on the centreline.

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Re: Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2012, 09:46:35 AM »
  What missiles though?

Bendix Eagles, of course.  ;D
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Re: Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2012, 10:01:57 AM »
I was thinking of perhaps an active radar Matra R.530 or perhaps a Mirage IV able to guide multiple Matra R.530s.  Maybe even a Mirage I'VE armed with a pair each of standard SARH and standard IR Matra R.530s - 2 under each wing.  Would be a bit like a Soviet  interceptor then.
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Re: Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2012, 11:48:29 AM »
Another idea is for a RAAF Mirage IV armed with pave tack pod on the centreline.

That would certainly be an interesting load out. 

What about arming it with electro-optical guided weapons such as the GBU-8?
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Re: Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2012, 01:18:53 PM »
Another idea is for a RAAF Mirage IV armed with pave tack pod on the centreline.
Fitted with LGBs or with AS-30L and other laser-guided weaponry?  I'd reckon most likely a mix to give the crew attack options.  At least with Pave Tack you don't need to keep pointed at the target.  I wonder how a laser-guided variant of the Martel or Exocet would look?  For that matter, add laser-guidance to a Sea Eagle?

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Re: Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2012, 01:25:04 PM »
Maybe duplicate the "supersonic external fuel tank with hardpoints" idea from the Mirage III/5?
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Re: Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2012, 01:38:10 PM »
Evan, I'm a little confused as to using laser-guided AShMs.  Given their range & internal active radar systems, where would the need/use of a laser guidance system come into place?

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Re: Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2012, 01:31:10 PM »
For another idea, maybe a VG Mirage IV or perhaps a VTOL Mirage IV?
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Re: Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2012, 01:36:51 PM »
Evan, I'm a little confused as to using laser-guided AShMs.  Given their range & internal active radar systems, where would the need/use of a laser guidance system come into place?
You'd need to launch from altitude to get the view while staying out of engagement range, but detecting getting painted with a laser designator is a bit more difficult to catch than being tracked by an active radar.   It's about reducing the time the other side has to observe and react to an attack.

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Re: Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2012, 01:41:55 PM »
For my RAAF Mirage IV, I am actually thinking of one in the later years of their service life and in the same dark grey scheme as worn by the F-111Cs:



Armament might be either LGBs or even a pair of AGM-142s.

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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2012, 02:15:32 PM »
You'd need to launch from altitude to get the view while staying out of engagement range, but detecting getting painted with a laser designator is a bit more difficult to catch than being tracked by an active radar.   It's about reducing the time the other side has to observe and react to an attack.

Ok, but wouldn't the target's (or battlegroup's) radar pick up the launch aircraft if it was at altitude?  I was always of the assumption that half the reason for AShM's effectiveness is their ability to get down amongst the waves fairly early in the flight profile to avoid detection in the first instance.  Give the launch platform an altitude where it can paint a target with a laser and it has to stay there for all the world to see.  At least conventional AShMs are fire & forget not requiring continuous illumination like a laser guided weapon.  Their active radar (which I believe in some instances can be programmed to cycle anyway) was their main 'selling point' when the designs first came into play.

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Re: Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2012, 02:20:03 PM »
The idea of using LGBs for anti shipping strikes isn't that odd - the RAAF used to do this with the F-111.  A LGB is much less expensive then a AGM-84 or similar and you can also make use of a separate designator aircraft than the bomb carrier.
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Re: Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2012, 02:35:25 PM »
Too, there's always launch from far away and designate with a drone (though the swiveling optics of the Pave Tack pod do allow you to designate while moving away from the target).

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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 02:27:12 PM »
Basically use an over the shoulder toss.
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2012, 02:40:07 PM »
Basically use an over the shoulder toss.
That or just drop and turn away and track/designate using the swiveling optics head of the pod.

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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2012, 03:13:29 PM »
I'd think you'd still be at altitude though and therefore a greater chance of giving a radar return?  Whilst this is all well and good (in fact, mandatory unless you're using off platform designation) with a guided bomb on a ballistic trajectory, I can't see the sense with a powered missile designed specifically to skim wavetops as part of its flight profile.

To my mind (mine, note) it seems a case of saying "hey guys, here we are up here shooting a missile at you" rather than launching a Harpoon or the like and exiting stage right as they say in the funnies.

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Re: Mirage IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2012, 02:42:11 AM »
Another dowsed of the Missile over the LGB is that a missile is more prone to jamming etc.  Either way, both have their uses so it doesn't really matter does it.

Now getting back to Mirage IV ideas:

An Israeli Mirage IV with J-79s and a pair of AGM-142s.
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2012, 08:57:00 AM »
An Israeli Mirage IV with J-79s and a pair of AGM-142s.
That sounds like a winner.  Perhaps carrying a few AAMs for self-defense?

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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2012, 09:01:50 AM »
Python 3s or Python 4s on outer pylons. :icon_ninja:
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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2012, 09:06:57 AM »
I seem to recal a certain Sentinel Chicken doing some alternate Mirage IV profiles ...maybe he will be able to repost them here.
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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2012, 09:07:49 AM »
Some Venezuelan Mirage IVs would certainly be interesting ...
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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2012, 09:44:35 AM »
Some Venezuelan Mirage IVs would certainly be interesting ...
Perhaps along side Brazilian ones?  I can't see any other nation down there affording a squadron of them.

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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2012, 01:39:56 PM »
Some Venezuelan Mirage IVs would certainly be interesting ...
Perhaps along side Brazilian ones?  I can't see any other nation down there affording a squadron of them.

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