McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo

[PR19_Kit]

I think this video will conclusively answer that question :

VEEEERY Interesting! Thanks a lot, I've never seen that before.

Goodness knows what they were doing with that tiny prop with the bug bulbous spinner at around 1:25 in the vid, and at the end it's got a 3 bladed prop fitted as well.

[kitnut617]

I would like to do an operational XF-88B:

I've got a kit of that  (1/72 of course) can't remember who produces it though  --   

[The Big Gimper]

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[Daryl J.]

Do the F-101 series have underwing hard points?    Looking at that Model 96 shape makes me want to put some matching underwing fuel tanks on it.   

[GTX_Admin]

I don't think so…mind you, in the whiff verse anything is possible.

[GTX_Admin]

Random Idea:  JASDF F-101B in scheme similar to this:

[elmayerle]

A half-formed idea that I'm toying with is What If Fouga, rather than Dassault, became the pre-eminent French aircraft company, and applied a consistent "house style" based on the Magister layout to all their products. Now the style has to adapt to performance issues (glider-like wings don't really play well with Mach 1+ airflows) and one problem is that the side-mounted engines have to change a bit when they get afterburners with jet energies that will accoustically trash the rear fuselage in no time at all. My solution is that they move inwards and downwards, leading to an F-4/F-101 style back end.

That all leads to the conclusion that an F-101B would be the idea basis for Fouga's 1960s heavy interceptor. It's got the right canopy, engine intakes and exhausts, so all it needs is a V-tail and straight wings: I'm thinking along the lines of 1/48th F-104 wings on a 1/72nd Voodoo.

The corresponding light single-seater would be a 1/72nd F-104 with the back end of a 1/100th F-4 grafted on (plus a V-tail, of course).

I was looking thorugh the Opsrey Air Combat book on the Voodoo at my locl Half-Price Books and saw a picture of a V-tailed design study.  Leave teh wings swept and add the swept V-tail and you'd have an attractively different look.

[ChernayaAkula]

Random Idea:  JASDF F-101B in scheme similar to this:
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Awww, great!  Just when I've sold almost all of my F-101B kits. 

[ysi_maniac]

From Secret Projects:

Does this have longer wing than standard voodoo? Am I wrong?

[The Big Gimper]

From Secret Projects:

Does this have longer wing than standard voodoo? Am I wrong?

I do not think so. I am comparing the wings tips to fuselage and to the wing trailing edge as it meets the fuselage.



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[kitnut617]

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I thought it was that but then I had a thought it was resin ---

[Jeffry Fontaine]

How about modifying the Voodoo with Fieri type air inlets in the shape seen on the Republic F-105 Thunderchief? 

[GTX_Admin]

How about modifying the Voodoo with Fieri type air inlets in the shape seen on the Republic F-105 Thunderchief?

I like your thinking!

[Jeffry Fontaine]

How about modifying the Voodoo with Fieri type air inlets in the shape seen on the Republic F-105 Thunderchief?

I like your thinking!

Surprised no one had thought of that sooner to be honest.  I only got the idea because I was reading a discussion topic on the different Voodoo intakes over on ARC.  :)

[Daryl J.]

ASAT launch vehicle?

With the KH RF-101C nearly upon us, perhaps one in Dutch, Belgian, or even Leichtensteinian markings could be interesting.

[finsrin]

How about modifying the Voodoo with Fieri type air inlets in the shape seen on the Republic F-105 Thunderchief?

I like your thinking!

Surprised no one had thought of that sooner to be honest.  I only got the idea because I was reading a discussion topic on the different Voodoo intakes over on ARC.  :)

Yes - you guys are on to a nice mod......

[kengeorge]

Just throwing this out, could the F-101 be modified for carrier use? According to Wiki the F-101 is 4ft 5in longer, 6-8in longer span & 18in taller, than the F-4.
Max T/O weight is 9395lb lighter than an F-4. So physically it could have a deck footprint similar to an F-4.
I'm only using The F-4 as a comparison as it they were in service at the same time, more or less.

So, what modifications would be needed to make it carrier capable?

Ken...

[elmayerle]

Assuming the aerodynamics of a T-tail don't make the approach squirrelly, I'd reckon you'd need catapult bridle fittings, an arresting hook, and stouter landing gear to handle the high sink rates carrier aircraft use.  I think I'd also go with a larger wing to reduce approach speed (thinking that an adapted Demon wing would work nicely).

[Daryl J.]

Give the XF-88 design to the Brits to flesh out the development of.   
Some would be based in Europe.
Some would be based in Africa.
Some would be laden.  Some would not.
Thus it would need to be named the Swallow.

OK....there's your bad joke of the day.   

[Rickshaw]

Assuming the aerodynamics of a T-tail don't make the approach squirrelly, I'd reckon you'd need catapult bridle fittings, an arresting hook, and stouter landing gear to handle the high sink rates carrier aircraft use.  I think I'd also go with a larger wing to reduce approach speed (thinking that an adapted Demon wing would work nicely).

Is "squirrelly" a technical term?

[elmayerle]

The technical term is seriously deficient in handling qualities for carrier approaches; but most just use "squirrelly".

[Kerick]

Assuming the aerodynamics of a T-tail don't make the approach squirrelly, I'd reckon you'd need catapult bridle fittings, an arresting hook, and stouter landing gear to handle the high sink rates carrier aircraft use.  I think I'd also go with a larger wing to reduce approach speed (thinking that an adapted Demon wing would work nicely).

Along with the heavy duty main gear a stronger wing spar might be needed to attach them to. By the time all the mods are included you pretty much end up designing a new aircraft. Adapting a carrier aircraft to land use is easy, the other way around is really difficult. The F-4, A-7 and Buccaneer were successful, I don't recall off the top of my head a land based aircraft adapted to carrier use that was really successful.

However, in whiff world, anything is possible!

[Rickshaw]

Supermarine Seafire
Hawker Sea Fury
FJ-1 Fury

All land based planes which were successfully adapted to naval use.

[jcf]

Supermarine Seafire
Hawker Sea Fury
FJ-1 Fury

All land based planes which were successfully adapted to naval use.

The FJ-1 was a naval aircraft from the start, it was not an adaptation of the P-86,
rather the two were developed in parallel.

[Rickshaw]

Sorry, I meant the FJ-2/3 Fury, which was developed from the F-86.

A claim could be made that the FJ-1 was developed from the Mustang...