Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Completed GBs => Group and Themed Builds => Retro Futuristic GB => Topic started by: Tophe on August 02, 2017, 07:46:22 PM
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As usual, I plan to participate transforming my vector drawings of P-38 and P-51.
But... I already used most of my creativity in a recent topic (of the other site, "Science Fiction GB") "Future engines warbirds" imagining the future mysterious engines of 1946 on Lightnings and Mustangs. But I think I will find ideas anyway. :smiley:
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In 1941, the future seemed clear: WW2 will make the Middle East petroleum explode, and German submarines will destroy any tanker in the Atlantic, so the RAF must use the coal of the homeland as power for its airplanes (via water steam). Fortunately, a new invention (to be finalised) will make the fume invisible, to prevent visual detection of the planes.
COA-38A, B, C:
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Great start Tophe :smiley:
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Thanks!
And in 1975, for France refusing to pay the new price of fuel but preferring nuclear power, were considered airplanes with nuclear turboprop and cooling towers (producing just cloud no smoke).
U-238A, B, C:
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In 1952, Lockheed announced a future « missile with a man in it, “Starfighter” », and it was not easy to illustrate such a future from just these words. The magazine Aviation Future 1980 tried anyway, and here are its 3 possibilities of “Future Starfighter projects of 1952” (F-138, F-238, F-338), inspired by the F-38 Lightning, most famous military product of Lockheed at that time. When the future became now (Starfighter rollout, XF-104), none happened to be true or even close…
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The XF-86 Sabre was announced as "like a Mustang with a jet", and this was enough for "informed" journalists to publish an illustration. As "WF-86", it remains forever "not proven wrong, who knows?"
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Quote from "The future belongs to us", factory journal of Kansas City factory: "With absolute certainty*, we can certify that the XF-186 will be built then the F-186s will be mass-produced here, scale 1 yes!". And at the bottom of the page, in tiny letters: "*: if the related $ millions are confirmed available".
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The words "F-286s will complete the family" were optimistic, "would" is often better.
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When in 1939 was signed the German–Soviet Non-aggression Pact, the foreseen future for the decade 1940-1950 was clearly worldwide Peace. A prospective technology article was written about related aircraft by the leading engineers of the friendly companies Lockheed-Burnelli-Blohm&Voss (“LoBuBv”). They predicted the disappearance of military aircraft in 1942 (war being declared illegal in 1941), and a sky all full of airliners, featuring twin-booms, lifting fuselage, asymmetry. Is “Prediction” a synonym of “Truth”? Probability calculations were so demonstrative, the answer must be Yes, scientifically!
The illustrated projects below are coded LoBuBv-38, -41, -141.
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XHaP-38, YHaP-38, HaP-38A : after the first Harry Potter book (1997, 20 years ago) success, a teenage magazine presented the future interceptor of the USAF, replacing military devices by a magic wand, nonlethal, transforming evil weapons of the enemy into smelly cheese (for the indisposed aviators to bail out, not at all to throw on poor US civilians – like, before, Charlie Chaplin won the trench gas war with French Camembert). Maybe this is not exactly “retro future” as not considered seriously as “what the future will be”, but several 13-year-old naive readers took it as very serious (because industrial), hopeful for the true future…
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In 1975 when MicroTurbo started to reach success, a commentator said “in the future, aircraft with wings will be called ‘prehistoric aircraft’, the modern active lift being so much better than the old device, that even ignored the VTOL ability!”.
MT-38A, Z, B:
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In 1938, after the Fokker G.1 success in Paris AirShow then Lockheed P-38 victory in USAAF contract, an article was published “Boom-Boom! : in tomorrow’s Aviation, is single fuselage doomed?” (with drawings of the probable P-38 derivative winners).
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While these are all great P-38 permutations, I especially like the tri-motor version!
If it had Italian markings, I bet you could fool some into thinking it was real!
Great stuff, Tophe!
Brian da Basher
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I especially like the tri-motor version!
Yeah,me too.
Great job all around :smiley:
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Thanks !
You know, it's possible that sleek, aerodynamic spats could be a crucial element to this GB...
In 2000, our BdB was considered to be nominated “Master of the World” by the United Nations (in his previous life, before coming here as our dear Aerospace Models moderator), so – knowing his acute love for spats (and knowing the related UN $ zillions) – what would have been the future? As far as my factory is concerned, we would have developed then mass-produced this airplane:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51TR9_aez.jpg)
(the memory drawing here is dated 2017, the source blueprints having been destroyed in 2001 – if this is not a joke)
The X-3 Stiletto experimental seemed to invent the thin micro-wing, and this was mass-produced with huge success on the F-104 Starfighter. Reasonably, at this beginning of the 1950s, this was the future of aviation, so the Mustang racers were ready to be transformed as well (becoming supersonic?!):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_bi.jpg)
In 1944, the rocket-engined Me-163 has been a revolution in the sky, with its tremendous speed and climb rate, but… its tiny range made it “very special, for point defense”. However the related RATO technology was clearly seen as the future for sure (Rocket Assisted Take Off): rockets to get airborne and climb with the full amount of fuel for range, then pistons for cruise and the rest. Such Lightnings would have been:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_bz.jpg)
A word of wisdom… (let it be…) The future is not mainly “what can be done” but “what should be done”.
For instance, we can fly supersonic and even hypersonic but the Concorde, dangerous, has been sent to garbage: no matter if military pilots are all kamikaze, for passenger flights the best is safety, not speed (if the travel takes time, no problem, watch movies aboard! Prefer the fun of Hollywood than the horror of Death!). In 2005 was considered the inflight collision of two A-380, with 1,800 casualties, and the International Board said “no more, now the future will be airships only (helium modern new ones), slowly but safely”… Maybe this has not been confirmed yet in 2017, but dreamers of 2005 were ready for it:
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1968 was the year of Woodstock pop show, with a mass travel to Katmandu, enlightened by dreams and marij… I mean: fantasy. Future of aviation was one of the subject discussed there, not sadly but many directions were clearly foreseen, based on electric guitars, pink elephants and flower power… I heard the question “what will be the engine of them??!” and the answer is close to “Lucy in the Sky with Diamond”, but more precisely: “Liberty is So Delicious”. What? Where is the hospital? Physical one is next door! Psychiatric one is right here! Don’t move!
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_cb.jpg)
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My what lovely spats (and airships and colorful animals!) you have there mon ami!
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Great stuff and yet more proof that your imagination is truly limitless!
Brian da Basher
(master of only a very tiny cottage)
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Thanks! About cottage… do you know Mickey Newbury’s “Swiss Cottage Place”, one of my favorite songs ever…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ4HVBkhQFc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ4HVBkhQFc)
(tear jerking for me, like many ones from this romantic genius singer)… But back to aviation retro futurism:
When the Fokker/VFW-614 was tested with success in 1971, it was so much better than competitors that such a layout (jet engines above a low wing) was concluded as being VERY certainly the future of commercial aviation: 1/ no need of big & fragile landing gear for low jet ground clearance, 2/ possibility of comfortable & cheap little stairs to climb into the airplane (without the problems of a high wing: narrow & unsafe landing gear from the fuselage or fragile & heavy from the high wing)… It was anticipated that Lockheed may propose such an airliner, with maybe no need to pay copyright to Fokker if designed as something like the ALIN-38, derivative of their Psh-38X (from the previous marine Psh-38W). No? We are now in 2017 and… isn’t it what happened? Uh, but hell: why???
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In 1907, a journalist asked the Wright Brothers if, in the future, with increased speed and aerodynamic needs, the canopy of airplanes will be closed. The brother engineers laughed: “Do you want to kill the pilot?!” and “Look! A human pilot needs air, impossible to breath in a goldfish glass box or bubble!”. The journalist apologized for his stupidity, sorry, and his article depicted the fast airplane of the far future (like… say: 1950! or even 2000!), that he called “Mustang” like a wild horse (not a bird at all!), but still a breathing animal, of course, no “bubble” submarine! This wise anticipation deserves a reward, for sure.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51TR9_afa.jpg)
In the 1950s, the future of aviation was very surely VTOL everywhere especially for military airplanes (all runways being destroyed in the first seconds of a modern war). The TSP-51 was such a TailSitting P-51 (with no relation to the French magazines’ TSP, meaning “Tournez la page S’il vous Plait” = please turn the page to the next one). Illustrated in the (1st) April 1953 article of Willy Sheikspeer “Future aircraft: to be VTOL or not to be?!”…
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In 1948, the Roswell incident changed completely the future of aviation, military side: “no need anymore to prepare a childish fight between capitalist and communist cousins, a Total War is going to oppose human beings and Aliens from another planet or galaxy! Our technology is very poor and we will immediately try to copy their evil way, so efficient alas… 1,697,957,233 human casualties are announced (not yet official, greatly increasing at each second, according to our sources)…” Years later, it seems it was not the immediate future but a TV joke, celebrating the anniversary of Wells’ radio fake reports.
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After the WTC drama in 2001, civilian aviation was strongly accused and it will never be the same again, as explained in a detailed illustrated note: “Civilian pilots will be controlled severely:
- In its design, every aircraft (including racers) will have to feature 6 firing turrets with explosive bullets pointed towards the pilot, these turrets being remotely controlled by legal authorities (in the name of the president).
- If a turret is switched off by a mechanic, it will automatically explode destroying all (and everyone) around, without a single warning.
- The goal is to decrease by 99.99% the number of candidates to become pilots.
- The remaining “candidates”, very suspect of terrorism, will be sent to Guantanamo lawless place/jail for complementary interview (possibly violent, but less than 15% killed estimated, except special cases involving national Security).
The future starts NOW!” […not yet started in 2017…]
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In 1971, the future of US military aircraft changed completely: no more fantastic dreams of a Huge World War 3 with USSR at Mach 3+ in the stratosphere but the main word became Vietnamization (at very low “altitude”), the armies of the US wanting to go back home (and not directly in the graveyard). A cartoonist replaced the proud Stetson (a-la-John Wayne) by a rice field hat (against local sun & violent rain)…
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In the 1980s, President Ronald Reagan declared the Space Army technologic war, and aircraft within the clouds and turbulence seemed just an old memory anymore. “The future will be fighter spacecraft, for sure!” (he said). He was partly wrong for that part but when he said “this will defeat USSR”, he was right, financially…
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In 1981, just before I turned 18 y.o., France elected a social-communist government, that was followed by many dances of joy in the streets: “we will not make war to USSR anymore (remember the scheduled mass murdering of cities here and there), we are friends with everybody now. Our monstrous Mirage supersonic atomic bombers-killers will be replaced by gentle unarmed agricultural biplanes for our flying lieutenants and captains. Yes we will buy them in the friendly USA: antique (= precious) P-51D & B modified with 80hp engines and 2-blade wood propellers (together with similar MiG-3 pretty biplanes in USSR). They will be developed especially for us! Paix-51, pronounced for us like P-51 means Peace-51! Yes, in a World of Peace, this is our future!” There were many clapping hands… idealistic? In fact alas, things went differently and a quick national bankruptcy/devaluation prevented any airplane change. Ahem.
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In the early 1940s, most of the attention was focused on the tragic war alas, but an unclassifiable article depicted a very different future for aviation: “seaplanes and runways are doomed, we will jump in the sky!” (with landing that uses parachutes). No echo was encountered and History was not interested (alas?), except for drones (but paying no copyright to the article’s author).
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In the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, I have always read prospective articles saying “airliners of the future will have no more fuselage: for sure they will be flying wings…”. OK but when? In the year 3000? who cares? I have looked in the archives and it was already told in the 1940s, with the W-82AL as illustration:
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Long before the stealth fashion in aero design of the 1980s (and top-secretly before with the SR-71?), there were the 1910s transparent airplanes (almost invisible?), it is now well known. But in the meantime: in the 1940s, there was also the wooden Mosquito with no radar signature, and also a weird prediction: “aircraft of the future will be impossible to detect, even visually!”. The illustration below (“the cloud-carrying fighter”) was given either as futuristic or daydreaming fantasy, I don’t know.
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With the radar technological race of the early 1940s, the electronic industry changed completely the aviation world, no more reserved to pilot aristocrats. As soon as January 1941, North American announced that – before the end of this year – future Mustangs in service (both fighter P-51U and bomber B-51U, U for unmanned) will be remotely controlled only. The date was wrong, but 70 years later this is becoming true (with other models, of course).
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When appeared the twin-boom PZL Belphegor, many Western observers laughed loudly: “What?!! A jet biplane??! Stupid!! Hey, go back to school!”. No, gentlemen, sorry, PZL engineers wrote an article in the scientific Nr 1 revue “Science”, explaining that the change from biplane to monoplane has been a tremendous fault of the 1930s. “Airplanes of the future will be multiplanes again!”, and there were lots of mathematical proofs with equations and diagrams. And they were very right, knowing at last (today, in 2023) that the new Reno race, Unlimited, has been won by the Mustang triplane (of Chris Miller Jr):
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In 1945 with the end of the war, and many many surplus machines, airplane industries had trouble to sell their products. One idea was to start a new race (like in 1926-27 for crossing the Atlantic), and in 1946, this great race goal was crossing the Pacific Ocean against the winds, San Francisco to Tokyo (not Alaska to Siberia, easy…) without stop (in Midway) nor air-refueling. This seemed impossible but made design bureaus work hard. Then, an unknown man (P.Mustangopoulos, US-citizen of Greek ascent) wrote a surprising article concerning this Pacific air crossing : “The winner, in a close future, will be the one pleasing Gods!”. Presenting a triple-fuselage tandem wing Mustang, “because” the God of the Ocean (Poseidon/Neptune) always wins (fishing?) with such a triple-forked trident and will bless only such an attempt glorifying Himself... (No money was found for building it).
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According to US reporters of 1943 (and Historians of early 1944), the P-38s that killed General Yamamoto (the one wanting a negotiated peace) and its undefended plane reached glory, and made everyone in the US wanting to continue this war. But it was very different in Japan. The Generals Council in Tokyo decided a plan called “CHANGING THE FUTURE”: 1/ Japan will make its own P-38 replacing local failures; 2/ Assassination will be the principle all right. Then the Laitero (or LightHero) J9M (Ki-999) prototype was born, and mass-produced with tandem wings for range. A single one, painted black, dropped the Japanese atomic bomb on Los Angeles the night of December 25th 1944, that killed 1.13 million people, and both President Roosevelt and General Mac Arthur died that very day (both from a heart attack). The rest is well known: the US Congress surrendered and gave to Japan 1/ the Philippines back 2/ Hawaii 3/ Australia and Great-Britain, Germany then taking Europe and Africa, India, crushing USSR (and China together with Japan). Yes, the announced future had changed… (this is written today in the year 2324, from an old Japanese source, author “Manga2017” apparently, historicity of the content: to be confirmed).
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I have found a surprising article, about the first human landing on the moon, “next year”, but published in 1943… The intended pilot would be Captain Frankie Rouzvelth, USAAF, and the US government encouraged donations for it, it seems.
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Those are all cool Tophe. :smiley:
One of the big themes in US advertising during WWII for 'what's coming after the war'
was an 'airplane or autogiro or helicopter' in every driveway,I think any one of those
could be derived from your Mustang and Lightning.
;D
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Thanks jcf, I will try to make something in this direction you mentioned.
I remember in the 1970s, the future was clearly STOL aircraft: “No need anymore of huge runways (easy to destroy for military, far from downtown for civilian), no need of VTOL performance penalty (requiring a huge power at the expense of range and load), Short Take Off and Landing is the final perfection in aviation! This is logics applied to Take-Off: horizontal was bad, vertical was bad, oblique is of course the best! The future will say which way will win (vectored jet, tilting wing, tilting engines, flaps blowing and maybe with several small engines) but for sure: non-STOL planes are doomed!” (Ahem… in 2005-2015 for the huge Airbus A380, longer runways have entered service, instead…).
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One of the big themes in US advertising during WWII for 'what's coming after the war'
was an 'airplane or autogiro or helicopter' in every driveway,I think any one of those
could be derived from your Mustang and Lightning.
Yes, thanks jcf: “Future 1943: after the war, there will be many surplus aircraft available, cheap! If you have to drive in New York then in Chicago, no need to have 2 cars: attach your car to a plane and fly it to the other city! Detach it and here you are!”
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_ci.jpg)
And even better: “Future 1944: after the war, flyable new cars will be available! If there is traffic, stop, spread your wings and fly over!”.
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:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :icon_fsm:
Wunderbar. ;)
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New Year 1955 speech at the North Am factory: “Now ladies and gentlemen, let us be serious one moment please. A little child asked me ‘Sir, what is the future of aviation?’ and we all know the answer, all of us: SST of course! SuperSonic Transport! Mach 1.1 and beyond! And I mean thousands of North Am supersonic airliners in our sky, like we are now producing supersonic Supersabre for the army! This is an evidence without any possible objection, all right?! Cheers!”
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Lockheed directive for its commercials, 1955: “our competitor, the North Am SST, is a prehistoric design that will not work: the future in aviation is completely different, now everyone serious must switch to the AREA RULED supersonic flight, especially for commercial passengers (requiring safety!). We did that years ago and are almost ready to sell it! And remember that Lockheed owns the unique experience of the P-38 Lightning family, with over 38,000 multifuselage copies, this new step of us is THE future. All the world knows the truth, now and forever. Even poor African countries asked the price for second hand copies of our AR-38A (not yet available, wait just a little for the future to come).”
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One of the big themes in US advertising during WWII for 'what's coming after the war'
was an 'airplane or autogiro or helicopter' in every driveway,I think any one of those
could be derived from your Mustang and Lightning.
Thanks again jcf! (I add now autogyro and helicopter future ways 1945, not easily, and staying single-seat like Mustang not a sedan automobile alas…)
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_bs.jpg)
Internal note at the USAAF HeadQuarters, 1942: “Now the future seems very clear, STRATOSPHERIC FLIGHT is the key of future warfare! And in such a thin air we need huge span and pressurized solid cockpit.” (note 2017: it seems this is the unknown source of the bubble-top P-51D)
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_bt.jpg)
After the failure of radar countermeasures, in Europe 1944, it was decided that, in some future (but as soon as possible), all Allied aircraft must fly at very very low altitude (below 100ft) and have minimum height (reduced fin), no propeller.
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In the early 1940s, it seems the British generals refused to admit the failure of their Roc fighters, repeating “The future still belongs to turret fighters! If you want us to buy something, you will have to make a turret version of it! And a very good one!”
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I know politics (serious ones with disputes) are forbidden in this forum, and though the future has always been commanded by politicians/political history, more or less, and a word about it may be more funny (through ridiculous propaganda, even from a good side) than boring technical directions. Moderator, please delete this if it is “too much”, reaching status “unacceptable”.
In 1945-46, Europe had to choose between the 2 winners of WW2: Stalinist communism and Capitalist republic. A first project of the Marshall plan seems to have been based on military aviation:
“Europeans, you must decide, 2 possibilities for you to choose a FUTURE:
– Red army (like bloody agonizing soldier): most planes on the ground, to be repaired someday if ever, ½ hour of flight training per year, pilots’ wages: $1 per year (because “richness is guilty” repeats the severe political police crushing people everywhere), low octane fuel made from vegetables shared with the hungry angry population (“diet is good for your health” say the fat leaders to the slim humble commanded).
– US (like Ultra Special goodness): very powerful planes incrusted with huge natural diamonds (for stealth performance); 300 hours of flight training per year, pilots’ wages: $122,000 per year (to boost local economy, buying wine-&-beer/flowers-&-fur/toys-&-chewing-gum, …).”
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A looooong time ago, in some English-speaking country (I don’t want to remember precisely which one) a candidate to presidency had a very special relation to women, that he treated as “just fucking bitches” (according to some journalists and opponents, unconfirmed). It seems he said to a friend: “in the future, if I am elected, the R[censored] races will be very much more sexy, vote for Me and you will see!”. Retro future is frightening sometimes, (sigh of relief – I am a puritan citizen).
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In France, almost every election of president has its ecologist candidate. In 1981 (or 1988?) was published this view of the ecologic future in the sky (if voters decide so):
A/ very-solar plane;
B/ windy electrical plane (2 lateral propellers fed with battery, 1 central wind turbine generator to charge the battery; propellers’ airflow + relative wind ensure a very positive total, providing light and hot water to mechanics after flight, in addition to cooking hot-dog and French fries);
C/ piston engined plane using for fuel: agricultural ethanol (a.k.a. “French wine”).
It seems this was not the true future program of the candidate but a joke from a few minor opponents, pretending this ecology cannot be regarded as mentally sane.
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In 1981, the new French president abolished legally the death penalty here, then he was very angry that polls demonstrated a strong disagreement of the population against this new law, people arguing that rapist murderers of children do not deserve jail well-balanced free workless food with TV entertainment. The government published immediately an article/answer to destroy such opposition: “If in 5 years, the other side comes back and declares ‘kill the killers’ again, this is not only a very stupid self-contradiction but this will require future new military airplanes. Hey you: flying soldier accomplishing your duty, if ever you dare killing one enemy (despite the new visibility, intentionally poor), you must suicide immediately, using the self-directed gun, or this will be for you hungry jail forever (with just one little piece of bread per month, worms included, drinking contaminated water taken from toilet waste), raped everyday by fellow prisoners, enjoy! If ever you truly want this ‘future Heaven’, that definition of ‘Humanity’, you will just have to vote in the right direction…”
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In 1943, American spies in Germany transmitted the discovery of the incredible He-111Z twin-fuselage 5-engined Heinkel… Immediately, the Big Boss of the USAAF concluded: “we will do the same and even better!” Busy with a fighter contract, he required North-American engineers to change their plans: “Hey! This is the future winner: P-51Z! That is a drawing of mine! Genius! Yes!”, but the engineers asked: “do you need a glider tug?”. The answer was No, so the engineers smiled and say “Sir, we respect your opinion and your dollars… while, uh… we may provide you with a different Twin-Mustang: a fighter…”. Then History went in another direction than the scheduled future of the Boss.
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When the weird Heinkel He-119 appeared in public, with its minimum drag without wind-screen nor protruding pilot head, all observers of the World concluded: this is the new future in aircraft design! North American worked on that idea… but not much.
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The SAAB Viggen introduced greatly the canard layout in standards for supersonic aircraft (more than the Mirage Milan, XB-70, Tu-144…) but Burt Rutan proved with his Vari-Eze that controlling such a machine is easy and reliable almost for everyone. He wrote: “the future of aircraft with propellers is also promised to canard domination!”, with a Mustang racer as illustration. Piaggio engineers contested that a little later: “the future belongs to 3-surface pusher aircraft”, with another Mustang racer project as proof (“the abnormal is going to become the first choice of every dersigner”).
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P-51Z gives me styrene visions !
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Thanks!
When the Flying Flea (Pou du Ciel) reached a tremendous success, in 1933-1935, with its highly staggered biplane wings (almost tandem wings), many observers judged “this is the layout of the future’s normal airplane”. And even the Mustang was considered that way, but secretly…
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Avan-stang is awesome and I like helicopter Mustang,great job Cristophe...you are very productive lately
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I like the Avan-Stang
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I really like the B-51U transport Tophe!
Your imagination is off the charts brilliant, mon ami!
Brian da Basher
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Thank you all!
you are very productive lately
This is because of holydays, that this subject made pleasant, thanks to the organizers!
The inventor René Leduc spent whole decades of his life shouting in vain “ramjet is the engine of the future!”. In 1953 at last, his Modèle 021 flew, with success and the prophesy seemed fulfilled (“it is no more a far future but immediate future, almost the new rule already!”). A twin-fuselage/twin-engined version of the 021 was designed, and it seems below that Lockheed tried to adapt its Lightning basis to this idea also. Alas, this future never came… or not yet.
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When the Coléoptère flew in 1958 with its annular wing, almost all designers wondered: “Why haven’t we thought about this layout before? In the future, this shape will always be considered, not less than stupid (prehistoric) horizontal wings; this is at last properly human machines: like we replaced legs by wheels, we will replace horizontal wing by annular!”. That is why so many Airbus and Boeing airliners feature annular wings, no? Just Lockheed Lightning cancelled designs (of mine)? Oh, what a pity, I feel my mind falls down to prehistory again…
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Piloting as a hobby became very common in the 1980s, with the hang microlight deltaplanes, and this seemed for sure the airplane of the future (not for supersonic speed but almost all the rest). And when happened the idea to build again old Mustangs, still very good for many jobs, the question was: old solid wings or future hang delta? You know the answer, I fear, destroying the wonderful future… (the related airplane could have been used perfectly by the US Navy, aboard carriers, its foldable tissue wing taking almost zero room on storage)…
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cc.jpg)
You all know that the sailplanes/gliders needed to be tugged in the air by some airplane, which is uneasy, expensive, with boring delays (and safety issues for landing if drifted too far from airport). Fortunately was invented the motor glider, gliding freely after folding its take-off little engine inside the nose or elsewhere (the engine can be operated again for climbing a second time and enjoy, or for reaching the airport). This was so good, predictions said millions of copies will be manufactured in the future. Not yet, no more great success, but I can show you such a (cancelled) civilian Mustang:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cd.jpg)
At the end of the 1980s, when the Berlin wall fell down, then USSR itself (!), the future seems no more WW3 (or local wars with the same, like Korea/Vietnam) but peaceful actions only. “What will be the military airplane of the future?” has been the subject of a congress, with many people very afraid to lose $ billions. The conclusion said “send to garbage fighters, bombers, attack/strike/CoIn planes and helicopters, just will remain cargo work, to bring food and medicine to desperate people”. Mustang lovers cried “And what will we do?”, the answer being “let you invent new cargo Mustangs, or ambulances, these kinds of glorious missions without a kill”. The future result may more useful than beautiful…
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51TR10_aa.jpg)
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Soviet experts say it for decades (at least since the 1960s): “the future of aviation is at very-low-altitude: WIG ekranoplans! (Westerners, come, join us, and respect our leadership there!)”. In the 1980s, this could have produced the Ek-82.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cf.jpg)
In 1963, the wingless prototype M2-F1 of the NASA made observers dream: no more wings on future aircraft? (like a wingless Twin-Mustang?) In fact, this was a misunderstanding, concerning not aircraft but future space shuttle.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cg.jpg)
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The Stipa Flying Barrel of 1932 was not beautiful but as it was pretended to embody the future of aviation (which is true: it was the ancestor of the jetplane), so the Mustang should have been designed this way…
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51TR10_ab.jpg)
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After WW2, the future of escort fighters was clearly parasite aircraft. "No matter which is chosen (Goblin or Gobstang), anyway this is the future for sure".
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_ci.jpg)
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Since 1968 the future of seaplanes is hydrofoils ! (no more floats, no more hulls) but almost nothing came from this announcement (and little testing), it seems. The drawing below is very imperfect, that is maybe the reason why the prototype never took off.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cj.jpg)
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Woooow I'm quite envious,I lost my mojo for some time.
Great job Cristophe,keep them coming !
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Thanks!
In 1956, a very cold winter made everybody wonder: will the future be a new glacial era? Wheels of airplanes would be replaced by skis, everywhere in this forthcoming future, not only in Canada/Scandinavia/Siberia but as well in Senegal/Borneo/Amazonia.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_ck.jpg)
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Of course, we know that the present 2010s are the years of nano-technologies (very very little), but remember: in the 1990s this was the time of micro-technologies (very little), and in the 1970s: mini-technologies (little). Even in those 1970s, the words were the same: “at mini-scale, processes are more efficient, with less loss of power: instead of 1 time 10, you could take 8 times 1 (no need of 10 times 1), this is the progress, future is coming!” But while electronics and computer jumped in the first line for that revolution, application to aircraft remained rare, at last.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cl.jpg)
Somebody told me (I don’t know if this is true) that the principles of winglets and ducted propellers have been discovered a long time ago, early in the 20th century, but the ones saying this is the future of aviation were regarded as lunatics. However, such “future” principles could have been applied in the 1940s.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cm.jpg)
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Ups, I forgot (to say?) one detail: if you asks me "what holds the duct on the P-51DuP?", I answer: no need of physical support, this is probably magnetic, this is the future! ;)
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The Me-163 Komet was so much better than all existing Allied interceptors, the USAAF wanted 100 copies of Me-163 immediately to defend New York. But, ahem, the enemy would refuse to sell a weapon to be used against itself, so an US version of the Komet was clearly the required future in America. This could have been the P-51Me Comet Mustang, without paying Copyright because war is war…
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cn.jpg)
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In late 1945: “With no more war, will we still buy fighters-bombers? Yes, the future seemed clear and heroic differently, peacefully: fighting flames with water bombers (at least in our French Southern forests, burning year after year, each summer with dryness and wind)”… The color is for French old tradition of firemen, before the actual creation of flying firemen, painted yellow. In 1978, these designs came back to life, not carrying heavy water but light hydrogen gas, the new fuel of the future, good against pollution (“good for the planet”) but requiring huge volumes.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_cs.jpg)
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Correction: this was not hydrogen gas like an old airship but liquid hydrogen (cold & pressurized).
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In the early 1940s, when appeared in full service the weird P-39 Airacobra, and its surprising car door, many pilots expressed the same opinion: “I wish this door is the future in aviation, not only for flyable cars but also trainers and all, for pilots’ comfortable installation at the commands; this is not a detail for us!”. Alas for them, this remained rare.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cp.jpg)
Many times in aviation, with Eng. Dunne, Horten, Northrop and their counterparts in USSR, voices claimed “future aircraft will be at 100% flying wings, no need of tail!”. Well, now such B-2 and a few others are produced but this remains a minority. After the XP-56 project selection, for instance, the future could have been a mass-production of 25,000 P-51FW, winning the war… All aviation would have been transformed.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cq.jpg)
I have seen weird pictures of future aircraft-submarine compounds (I think they were designed in the 1940s in USSR and in the 1970s in USA). This could have been built and flown, with failure or success.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cr.jpg)
It is famous that since the Civil War of ships in the USA, the technologic military race has 2 sides: shoot efficiently/protect efficiently. Every program of fighters had to face such a future: more firing power (but less performance)? And/or more protection (but less performance)?
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cs.jpg)
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Yes,P-51 SM is fantastic !
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Thanks!
In 1930, a French engineer (Charles De Rougé) patented the T-tail, so much better than classical it must be the immediate future of all aviation worldwide in the 1930s! The future T-tail P-38 of 1939 were imagined but never came to life (later, after expiration of the legal patent, the T-tail layout became common but the time had turned to jetplanes, like Javelin in the 1950s and Boeing 727 in the 1960s).
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_cv.jpg)
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Hey, Tophe... Does that Pr-51 indicates that resistance is futile? ;D
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Hey, Tophe... Does that Pr-51 indicates that resistance is futile? ;D
That was my first thought too ;D
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I am just joking, I am not a Master of design giving lessons to professional designers... ;)
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When our fried ericr was a little boy, his family asked him: “when you grow old, what aviation will be? (according to you)”… The answer of the little boy was simple “no more grey/green/brown sad aircraft: they will all be simple in the sky: yellow/red/blue”… Well, this intended future never happened at scale 1 but ericr’s collection of models 1/72 & 1/48 all respected this law. So it was retrofuture at scale 1 and not true anticipation at other scales…
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With the Caravelle (1955), HS Trident (1962), DH125 (1962), Vickers VC-10 (1962), Mystère 20 (1963), Boeing 727 (1963), in 1964 the future seemed all devoted to tail jet engines.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_cx.jpg)
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You've got some very interesting concepts there, mon ami!
Hard to pick a favorite, but I think I like the look of the first one with the engines on the ends of the tail planes best.
Your imagination truly knows know boundaries, Tophe!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks !
In 1941, the great success of the Fokker D.XXIII (1939) in Europe and Moskalyev SAM-13 in USSR (1940), after the tandem Bolkhovitinov Sparka (1937), had announced the true obvious future : now all* aircraft will be twin-engined with the drag of a single-engined one. Swiss independent experts (from Dornier Co.) confirmed that, still in 1941, 100% sure.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_cy.jpg)
*: except 4-engined planes, heavier, with the drag of 2 engines:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_cz.jpg)
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Many times in aviation, with Eng. Dunne, Horten, Northrop and their counterparts in USSR, voices claimed “future aircraft will be at 100% flying wings, no need of tail!”. Well, now such B-2 and a few others are produced but this remains a minority. After the XP-56 project selection, for instance, the future could have been a mass-production of 25,000 P-51FW, winning the war… All aviation would have been transformed.
Of course, Lockheed "will" follow the new direction:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_db.jpg)
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When our fried ericr was a little boy, his family asked him: “when you grow old, what aviation will be? (according to you)”… The answer of the little boy was simple “no more grey/green/brown sad aircraft: they will all be simple in the sky: yellow/red/blue”… Well, this intended future never happened at scale 1 but ericr’s collection of models 1/72 & 1/48 all respected this law. So it was retrofuture at scale 1 and not true anticipation at other scales…
;D ;D ;D
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Thanks!
And you know, as far as I am concerned I misjudged the future as well... In 2013 August 9th, the film Disney "Planes" was projected and I told myself: now (tomorrow) all airplanes of the World will open their eyes, smile... Now in 2017, this has not turned true, yet...
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Really like the "flying wing" look on these :smiley:
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Great stuff, Tophe!
Love the pink "Planes" version!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks!
The B-17/24/25/26/29 were almost all the same, boring, then appeared in 1944 the weird XB-44, that seemed to show the future will be different for heavy military planes : 2 pusher propellers, 2 cockpits… (as a basis, than can be doubled for 4 engined load).
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_dd.jpg)
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Nice Tophe. :smiley:
And of course there was the Cloudster II, another project for the post-war private aviation
'boom' that didn't happen. Also the proposed airliner versions of the layout, the original DC-8.
(http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS-2/i-3Xxv7kV/0/7dedc4bf/L/CLOUDSTER-II_01-L.png)
(http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS-2/i-WgXNQJV/0/c8bc51ee/L/CLOUDSTER-II_3-VIEW_01-L.png)
(http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS/i-VmmfF9s/0/f441291a/O/DC-8_MIX.jpg)
(http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS/i-xNWrcDk/0/134df77f/O/DC-8_SKYKINGJR_01.jpg)
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Thanks a lot for those futuristic pushers (of the past) that I did not know (or that I had forgotten)…
The XB-36 showed also a very different layout for the future, and the YB-38A, Z, Z2 will probably be designed this way:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_df.jpg)
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Excellent that YB-38 Z2 !
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Thanks!
And when the Twin-Mustang was ordered (and the Bf-109Z/Me-609/Fiat bifusoliera/...), the future seems to belong to twin-fuselage planes: (thanks to ysi_maniac at
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=765.90 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=765.90) )
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Slanting views to complete:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_dh.jpg)
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And here was the future other Twin-Lightning, after the success of the Twin-Mustang:
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In 1945, the top engineer of Supermarine wrote an article : “the future is contrarotative propellers! (axial, tractive)”, after the success of his Spitfire with such a feature. He said also that the Airacobra has shown that shafts and gears are reliable, so contrarotative propellers could be the best solution for a twin-engine plane also (no matter were are the engines, axial).
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_di.jpg)
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No, let us be serious: in 1944, when appeared the Me-262 in the sky, it was clear that the future is the jet. “Every existing fighter must be transformed in a jet version, urgently!” wrote the main editorialist in “Aeroplanes for enthusiast modellers” magazine.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_dj.jpg)
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I love the left side one the best :-*
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I love the left side one the best :-*
Concur, Mr Tomcat. It's like the love-child of a Lightning and a Meteor.
I never cease to be amazed by Tophe's boundless imagination!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks for the comments.
Today I had the great pleasure to receive a warbird book gift from a friend. There is a mysterious picture (after Photopaint zoom/clicks by myself): an asymmetric single-engined P-38 Lightning (P-38/1m “monomoteur” for the French “Armée de l’Air”). This is retrofuture because in 1940, French observers saw the Bf-110 twin-engined fighter defeated in the sky and concluded “fighters will never be twin-engined anymore”, requiring a future correction of the P-38 design. Thanks Jimmy!
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P38-1m_livre.jpg)
(the refused one being:)
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Of course, there was not a single answer to the requirement of a future “single-engined Lightning” (tractor part with a free nose):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_dk.jpg)
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And of course there was the Cloudster II, another project for the post-war private aviation
I have looked for the Cloudster II (of 1947) origin: it was a half New Cloudster (of 1945). In 1945, the rule was: "every civilian airplane will be twin-engined, for safety obvious reason". And many designers took example on the P-38 Lightnings' layout:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/New-CLOUDSTER.jpg)
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"every civilian airplane will be twin-engined, for safety obvious reason". And many designers took example on the P-38 Lightnings' layout:
Words of that time: "and military airplanes will copy the best of these civilian designs"...
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_dm.jpg)
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Other words, of 1944: "after the successful mass-production of P-55A and following versions, the future clearly belongs to canard airplanes, and almost immediately now". Alas all that was cancelled...
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_dn.jpg)
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In 1929, the Dornier Do X showed clearly the future for aviation: "every airplane with several engines will have push-pull couples on pylons above a high wing". Yes?
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cw.jpg)
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Yes?
Yes !
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Thanks! (We will see that soon, in 1931...).
Ahem, in 1939 flew the prototype Willoughby Delta 8, with lifting booms for passengers and many observers concluded: “this is the future in aircraft design, all the others will copy this”…
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_dp.jpg)
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The F38U1, U2, U3 were designed when everyone said that the F4U Corsair's success showed the future in fighter design.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_dq.jpg)
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I really like the first two, Tophe. Put Swedish markings on them and few would doubt it was real.
Delightful and thought-provoking, mon ami!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks!
In 1944, the Mc Donnell XP-67 Moonbat introduced new aerodynamic rules in airplane design, this announced the future everywhere, for sure (almost):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cy.jpg)
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X-82 is HOT :-*
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Love the Moonstang, Tophe!
Combining a P-51 with an XP-67 is sheer genius and the version with the bubble canopy just sings!
Beautiful concept, mon ami!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks a lot, both of you!
And here the Twin-Moonstang, to complete the family... :-\ :smiley:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cz.jpg)
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In 1938, the USAAF top generals were so proud of their Flying Fortresses, they claim: "future aircraft orders will only be for B-17s, or similar!" (so other US manufacturers will have to adapt their products...). With great self-defense, no need of escort fighters anymore, and so on.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_dr.jpg)
PS. This (in 2017) comes from the invention of a Constelightning by Captain Canada.
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The last one is especially easy on the eyes, Tophe!
Great stuff and your ideas always get me thinking, mon ami!
Brian da Basher
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In 1929, the Dornier Do X showed clearly the future for aviation: "every airplane with several engines will have push-pull couples on pylons above a high wing". Yes?
([url]http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_cw.jpg[/url])
Love this! :-*
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Thanks a lot!
In Canada 1944, the success of the Cancar Burnelli CBY-3 showed that for sure, all aircraft of the future must feature this lifting fuselage layout:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_dc.jpg)
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This future concerned also single-engined fighters (to be exported):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_dd.jpg)
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Observers said that diversity will still be strong, even if the Burnelli layout will be everywhere, like some twin-tail single engined planes:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_de.jpg)
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The future would have included as well single-tail twin-engined Burnelli Mustangs:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_df.jpg)
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Looks like it borrows some concepts from the proposed airliner flying wings that Northrop showed in the late 1940's.
9/4: Made the correct from 1840's to 1940's that Tophe noted.
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I guess this 1840 is a mistyping for 1940.
Anyway, "great minds think alike"... thanks engineer to compare my delirium to serious professional projects... ;)
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In 1985, the film Mad Max showed what the future will be for sure. Concerning aircraft, the future one was a Benett/Transavia Airtruk, and when Lockheed was questioned: "will you build them?", the answer happened to be: "or similar of our own":
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_dv.jpg)
(AiT-38A & B Lightruk, AiT-38Z Twin-Lightruk)
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In 1940 flew the Caproni-Campini N.1 jet-plane and it was clear this was the future of aviation: all aircraft manufacturers Will have to copy this great plane:
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Nice jet engines there ! :o :-*
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Thanks!
When, in 1947, flew the Waco Aristocrat (see https://www.windcanyonbooks.com/images/products/wacomagazinevol2no2.jpg (https://www.windcanyonbooks.com/images/products/wacomagazinevol2no2.jpg) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Aristocraft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Aristocraft) ), it seemed a good idea for all future aircraft: for the army, a free nose (like the P-38/XP-54/55/56) was interesting (to send flowers I suppose), and this will be very simply possible with this “normal” pusher layout, raised up for ground clearance.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51TR10_aj.jpg)
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When the very little canard Latécoère 225 flew in 1984 (see http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/492453Lat225rzz9.jpg (http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/492453Lat225rzz9.jpg) ), a new area seemed arrived in Aviation world: now all aircraft will look like that, including (refurbished) Mustangs yes!
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51TR10_ak.jpg)
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The Lockheed QT-2 Q-star or Quiet Star X-26 (http://www.jitterbuzz.com/navfil/Lockheed_D212719_02.jpg (http://www.jitterbuzz.com/navfil/Lockheed_D212719_02.jpg) and https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/16685-lockheed-q-star/ (https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/16685-lockheed-q-star/) ) was introducing in 1967 a new future for airplanes (silent, with free nose):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51TR10_al.jpg)
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The Radab Windex motorglider of 1985 (see http://www.windex.se/images/windex-pic1.jpg (http://www.windex.se/images/windex-pic1.jpg) ) was the first popular single-engined landplane with the engine as tractor in the tail, but the future promised to show this everywhere:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51TR10_an.jpg)
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When in 1971 was flying the Brditschka HB-3 (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brditschka_HB-3 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brditschka_HB-3) or http://jn.passieux.free.fr/images/Hb23_2.jpg (http://jn.passieux.free.fr/images/Hb23_2.jpg) ) the future seems to change: this was the best layout that every aircraft will feature:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51TR10_aq.jpg)
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In 1955 flew the Rheinflug RW-3 Multoplane (see https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinflug_RW-3 (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinflug_RW-3) and http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/6833.jpg (http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/6833.jpg) ) with a propeller inside the fin, and this was so good an idea, this was the example to follow everywhere in the future for sure!
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51TR10_ar.jpg)
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Not only North American but also Lockheed was ready to follow the steps (into the future) of the Multoplane (RW-38A), Brditschka (HB-38), Waco Aristocrat (WA-38):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_dw.jpg)
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The last ones are quite impressive Cristophe . :smiley:
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Thanks!
And I have found in my collection a book that I had forgotten: "the World's strangest aircraft" (by Michael Taylor, Grange Books). I guess many (unconfirmed) futures are there inside... ;)
Somewhere I have also "Macchine bizzare nella storia del' aviazione", but the probability to find it soon is low. ???
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I have shown (in this topic) several projects of Mustangs/Lightnings with tandem wings, but… the Westland P.12 “Delanne-Lysander” (Wendover) of 1941 was different: it was showing what will be the future for military airplanes (including light ones): a tandem wing with wing-tips’ fins leaving the rear for a defense post:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51TR10_as.jpg)
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After the Short Mayo Composite flew in 1938, it was clear that this layout will be the future winner of the skies. Postal Mustangs will be like that: a 4-engined big carrier-plane will have the fuel for take-off, climbing and half-range, than the little part will be released for the rest of the way (and landing, delivery of the mail): Mayo Mus-Mus composite.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_dg.jpg)
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a 4-engined big carrier-plane will have the fuel for take-off, climbing and half-range, than the little part will be released for the rest of the way
I know this seems stupid because if the carrier have enough fuel to come back home (from half-way), it seems it has enough fuel for finishing the second half of the travel with no need of another part but... this is due to opposite winds: coming back is easy, pushed by tail winds, while facing opposite winds require much more fuel.
Ahem, is that a good explanation? ??? (or the design was refused because stupid, or it was not release at half-way but at 15%...)
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The future was well written by innovative prototypes: see the XC-138 Packning (following XC-120 Packplane), CL-138 Tilt-ning (following CL-84 Tilt-wing), Hosning (following Hosking Pitts):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_dx.jpg)
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When, in 1940, flew the Belyayev DB-LK, Soviet journalists said this genius design will be copied in the future by the damned capitalists:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51TR10_at.jpg)
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In 1938 flew the asymmetric Bv-141, with high success, and the future seemed clear: "in a World of peace (and love, and $), Blohm und Voss' engineer Vogt will be invited in this whole world to improve local aircraft design, giving them formidable nose power and rear defense"...
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C5_di.jpg)
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:smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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Uh? Why 3 smiles? Should I answer Thanks thanks thanks! ;) ;) ;)
Or... Is this 3 circles, like 3 jet air intakes? (on some future project of the past)
Yes, good idea!:
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The Kaman H-43 Huskie, flying in 1953, made popular the “bifida” layout: 2 booms installed high on a pod, holding a tail. This was announcing a future like that everywhere, for helicopters, airplanes, autogiros.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_ea.jpg)
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Really like the Wendover-inspired Mustangs! 8)
The P-51Bv is also cool. :smiley: Maybe a second engine in pusher configuration behind the pilot?
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The P-51Bv is also cool. :smiley: Maybe a second engine in pusher configuration behind the pilot?
Yes! Thanks!:
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^ Ooooh, but that is lovely! :-*
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yes indeed, and both bv and bv2 are quite buildable
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yes indeed, and both bv and bv2 are quite buildable
Indeed!
Delightful as always, Tophe!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks!
And in 1940 flew the SNCASE SE-700 autogyro, and now the future seemed clear: "after the first steps of the autogyro, now the success is coming, worldwide, this is the aircraft principle of the future!"
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In 1942, when entered service the Heinkel He-111Z, this was announcing the future: "every twin-engined airplane will be doubled this way, into a 5-engined powerful derivative!" Lockheed will copy and invent other derivatives maybe.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_ed.jpg)
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The future was well written by innovative prototypes: see the XC-138 Packning (following XC-120 Packplane
Of course, after the XC-138 would have come the XC-238A (empty and loaded), XC-238J...:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairS_ef.jpg)
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The Bugatti 100 was so great, it was showing the future for sure. For instance, Rolls Royce refusing the nose engine of the Mustang will probably build a derivative of the Bugatti:
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Somewhere I have also "Macchine bizzare nella storia del' aviazione", but the probability to find it soon is low. ???
Thanks to the time extension, I found this book again, thanks!
And the XF5F Skyrocket, so different from usual twin-engined planes of its time, was introducing a brand new future for fighters:
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And the Guppy/Super-Guppy are the first of voluminous cargo planes. The Mustangs, with a little size increase, will join them, very probably:
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Speech of 1931: "in the forthcoming decade, 1932-1942, there will be less and less budget for armies, down to zero, all aircraft will be civilian racers, like the new Gee Bee!":
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After the success of the Bv-40 fighter-glider, there will be equivalents in every Air Force:
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The Bugatti 100 was so great, it was showing the future for sure. For instance, Rolls Royce refusing the nose engine of the Mustang will probably build a derivative of the Bugatti:
I like. Maybe develop it further using the FTB version as a basis:
(http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/2/5/9/9/2/a6427592-29-F.T.B%20Mustang.jpg)
Of course, if you also wanted to stick to the Bugatti 100's twin engine arrangement, one could do a suitable stretched FTB Mustang... ;)
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I did use the FTB silhouette as a basis for my FTBug, I swear I did. But you are right there was no engine exhausts on it, otherwise the canopy would have been smaller. But moving the engine backward makes it, no problem (except for weight centering, but with a fat pilot, this would work!) ;)
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The Payen Pa-49 Katy flew in 1954 with a weird shape and its performance showed future racers should be like that, in Reno Mustangs for instance:
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In 1965 flew the Marvel, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_State_University_XV-11_Marvel , and this was the mature level of aviation, after so many decades of shy designs. For the future now, all airplane will be like that:
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The Caproni Noviplano was obviously a "plane of the future" when it flew in 1921, in front of stupefied spectators...
Well, it crashed also in 1921, because it was ahead of its time (solidity was too low) but that does not change the direction: this was the plane of the future, as can be seen on the Novistang (with top maneuverability):