Convair F-106 Delta Dart Ideas and Inspiration

[GTX_Admin]

Random Idea:  ROCAF (i.e. Taiwanese) F-106

[Scooterman]

Random Idea:  ROCAF (i.e. Taiwanese) F-106

Oooo I like that.  Stolen.   

[Weaver]

I have a Falcon 1/72nd two-seater conversion with the intention of doing an RAF one at some point. Back story is the RAF liked the airframe and the Genie but stuck to their traditional preference for a two-seater.

[ChernayaAkula]

"At some point"?  How about "now"? You know that in the modelling variation of Sod's Law, once you've completed the vac-form kit, Trumpeter will scale down their Sixes to 1/72. Come on, Weaver, take one for the team! 

[dy031101]

Random Idea:  ROCAF (i.e. Taiwanese) F-106

Fire control system would likely be further simplified (I'd assume that any export F-106 would feature a simplified FCS to begin with), with supports for SARH guidance deleted (you ask me what kind of circumstance might constitute an exception?  Hum...... maybe if Jimmy Carter sold B-52 to the PRC and got caught having done it?  ).

I don't know what the ROCAF would have thought of the AIM-4D.  I kinda got the feeling that they'd have tried to put Sidewinders onto the F-106 and install fuel tanks into the missile bay, the latter of which I wouldn't expect the Americans to like, unless the Vulcan cannon would make fuel tanks in the missile bay a dangerous proposition.

Of course the scenario I'd actually want to see is that the ROC would have somehow found enough incentive to cook up their own improved Falcon......

[elmayerle]

Perhaps they would have purchased the upgraded Falcons used on the Draken?

[dy031101]

Perhaps they would have purchased the upgraded Falcons used on the Draken?

I am actually wondering how different the HM-58 and Rb 28 are from the American AIM-4D (unless AIM-4G is cleared to export as well).

[GTX_Admin]

Check here:  http://www.ausairpower.net/Falcon-Evolution.html#mozTocId859220

[GTX_Admin]

Cool image:

[GTX_Admin]

great source:  http://www.f-106deltadart.com

[elmayerle]

Perhaps they would have purchased the upgraded Falcons used on the Draken?

I am actually wondering how different the HM-58 and Rb 28 are from the American AIM-4D (unless AIM-4G is cleared to export as well).

That article on Falcons confirms what I believed, the HM-58 and Rb-28 are equivalent to the AIM-26B non-nuclear Super Falcon.

[Volkodav]

Check here:  http://www.ausairpower.net/Falcon-Evolution.html#mozTocId859220

I am almost too frightened to go into Goons site, I am afraid it may leave me as a F-35 hating zombie with an insatiable urge to dig up the F-111 fleet and re-animate them into F-111S super stikers!

[Volkodav]

How about a F-106 with the weapons bay removed and replaced with fuels tanks, avionics and ammunition for a blister mounted 30mm revolver cannon scabbed under the fuselage flanked on either side by a semi-recessed Sparrow.  The extra fuel in the old weapons bay would permit the underwing tanks to be regularly replaced with under wing Sparrows or Sidewinders.

[elmayerle]

Vulcan cannon on the centerline as per project "Six-Shooter" with clear canopy hood, double-Falcon rails replaced by single AIM-47 or AIM-54 rails, and wing rails outboard of the tanks with Sidewinders or equivalent?

[Rickshaw]

Why not lengthen the underwing pylons and put Sidewinders on the sides of the pylon?

[GTX_Admin]

Given the AIM-4s we carried in tandem, I wonder if it would be possible to carry a pair of longer ranged AIM-7s in the weapons bay and perhaps some AIM-9s externally (assuming they too could not be carried internally)

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Given the AIM-4s we carried in tandem, I wonder if it would be possible to carry a pair of longer ranged AIM-7s in the weapons bay and perhaps some AIM-9s externally (assuming they too could not be carried internally)

Some kit bashing might be in order.  Find some 1:72nd scale Phoenix pallets from an F-14 Tomcat and slap those on the underside of the F-106.  Mount your Falcons or Sparrows on the pallets.  Might be enough room for several rows of the pallets. 

[GTX_Admin]

I would stay with the internal weapons fit

[elmayerle]

Does anyone know of a conversion kit, in either 1/72 or 1/48, for the "Six Shooter" mod with the M61?  All else failing, I'd be tempted to use the muzzle and fairing from a F-4E.  random thought, something like that, but using the Israeli twin-30mm DEFA installation, instead.

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Does anyone know of a conversion kit, in either 1/72 or 1/48, for the "Six Shooter" mod with the M61?  All else failing, I'd be tempted to use the muzzle and fairing from a F-4E.  random thought, something like that, but using the Israeli twin-30mm DEFA installation, instead.

Missing Link Models sells a resin 1:48th scale gun pod for the F-106 through Roll Models. 

You can find it at this link by scrolling down to this item: MLM48023 - F-106 Belly Gun Pack (R-M) - Missing Link Models 1/48 Resin Details/Conversions - Price: $3.00

[Weaver]

Perhaps they would have purchased the upgraded Falcons used on the Draken?

I am actually wondering how different the HM-58 and Rb 28 are from the American AIM-4D (unless AIM-4G is cleared to export as well).

That article on Falcons confirms what I believed, the HM-58 and Rb-28 are equivalent to the AIM-26B non-nuclear Super Falcon.

No, not quite:

GAR-11A/AIM-26B (USAF) = HM-55 (Hughes & Switzerland) =  Rb.27 (Sweden)

GAR-2A/AIM-4C (USAF) = HM-58 (Hughes) = Rb.28 (Sweden)

Later Swedish-upgraded Rb.28s were allegedly superior to AIM-4D.

[Weaver]

Armament-wise, my RAF F-106B will have permanent fuel instead of the bay, simplified avionics (no SAGE datalink), four Red Tops (two on fuselage pylons on former bay postion, two on new outboard wing pylons) and a centreline pylon for a Genie.

They never actually get the Genies due to a shortage of fissile material from the British nuclear program (real life reason why we never had Genies on Lightnings). The Genie pylon is later converted to carry a single 30mm ADEN cannon in an external pod similar to the one on the Hawk.

Did these a few months ago:

[Volkodav]

Very nice Weaver, very nice!

I have had an F-106 in my stash for years intending to use 70s / 80s RAAF Mirage III decals for camo schemes (I also have a Revell 1/72 Draken with the same idea).  Lately though I have been thinking about a strike version, wondering what would fit in the weapons bay in the way of ordinance or possibly even Pave Tac (probably too big) or Pave Spike etc.

[GTX_Admin]

One I did a while back - a pure rocket F-106:

[elmayerle]

I'm thinking of doing an Israeli one with the six-shooter gun pod replaced by a similarly shaped one with two 30mm DEFA cannon instead (got data on the unit trialed on one of their F-4Es).

For a strike one, convert the weapons bay to a fuel tank with a semi-recessed targeting pod (Paye Spike or Pave Tack are logical choices for the time period, Pave Spike especially) and carry offensive stores on the wing pylons, adding outboard pylons in the process.  Perhaps you could follow up some of the proposals to fit later and/or larger radar units, too.