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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2013, 10:54:52 AM »
That works too, Evan--I thought X-15 was about the size of a D-21 and an ASAT was about the size of X-15A-2's drop tanks, and was thinking that by adding an intermediate "booster stage"  that'd expand the safety margin for knockdown.

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2013, 11:44:40 AM »
That works too, Evan--I thought X-15 was about the size of a D-21 and an ASAT was about the size of X-15A-2's drop tanks, and was thinking that by adding an intermediate "booster stage"  that'd expand the safety margin for knockdown.
Check the numbers, I think the X-15 is a bit larger than that.  Of course, I like the ABM that was to be deployed from the Ultimate Arrow (with ramjet pods et al.), it was derived from the upper stage of a Nike Zeus.  Mind you, if that ABM could fit the Arrow's weapons bay pod and deploy, it likely could fit in the F-12's weapons bays or equivalent on other variants.
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2013, 04:01:46 AM »
It'll probably never happen, but an Air Force General says we need something like the Blackbird again:
http://www.omaha.com/article/20130813/NEWS/130819673/1685
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2013, 09:00:14 PM »
odd that this thread resurfaced today, I was only just watching a program on the Military Channel last night all about Oxcart with some new declassified film footage added (according to the commentator that is)

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2014, 04:03:59 AM »
Somehow, the idea of fabric wings on this just doesn't work.  ;D
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2014, 04:06:52 AM »
Depends what sort of fabric...
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2014, 06:44:02 AM »
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2014, 12:22:36 PM »
Mashing Blackbirds with Teen series fighters:
Inspired by JoseFern's work, who pixel-bashed an F/A-18 with an SR-71. Wanted to see how the others might look.
My idea was to use 1/72 Teen fighters with a smaller-scale Blackbird, but it seems there's no 1/100-ish Blackbird.  :icon_punal: Also no 1/200 Blackbird to use 1/144 fighters with.  :icon_twisted: But I suppose the 1/48 crowd could use a 1/72 Blackbird with a fighter of choice.



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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2014, 12:56:07 PM »
What, no A-10?!?

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2014, 11:17:10 AM »
Love those profiles for kitbashes.
A-10 nose would be different.
There is a 1/110 SR-71 kit.  Monogram or Revell I think.

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2014, 12:51:55 PM »
 ;D Never even thought of the Hog. Anything with SR-71 ancestry looks so much "interceptor" that I just didn't think of the A-10.
Thanks for the heads-up!  :) 1/110 sounds great! Google says it's a snap-fit kit, but for what I have in mind, that's perfectly okay.
Woohoo!  :icon_beer:
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2014, 04:26:21 AM »
Some of those (especially the F-16 mash) look a bit like some of the early ATF artists' impressions.
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2014, 04:53:36 AM »
but it seems there's no 1/100-ish Blackbird.  :icon_punal: Also no 1/200


According to the 'Big Book', Monogram and Revell did/does a 1/110 one, and a company called Diko-Rama did a 1/160 one and Lindberg did a 1/184 one

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2014, 05:33:09 AM »
There's a couple of 1/110 ones on eBay at the moment.
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2014, 10:53:20 PM »
Excellent youtube video explaining how the J-58s work in an understandable way, but without dumbing-down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ao5SCedIk
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2014, 01:43:27 AM »
Excellent youtube video explaining how the J-58s work in an understandable way, but without dumbing-down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ao5SCedIk
That's a most impressive engine.  "Way back when", at the start of my career, I was a young engineer at P&W's Florida R&D Center where those were developed and maintained and I've seen them both on the shop floor and in test stands (a most impressive sight at night in full afterburner).

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2014, 07:12:25 AM »
I found these on the Aircraft Engine Historical Society website:

Peter Law - SR-71 Propulsion System; P&W J58 Engine (JT11D-20) (4.3M PDF)
Peter Law - SR-71 Propulsion System; P&W J58 Engine (JT11D-20) Presentation Video, Courtesy of and Copyright by the Rolls-Royce Heritage Trust (Caution: 351 MB .wmv)

and

How Supersonic Inlets Work (3.9M PDF) by J. Thomas Anderson

Some of the drawings used in Pete Law's presentation are from this paper by Tom Anderson, who joined the Lockheed Skunk Works in 1963, fresh out of college. Working for Ben Rich on the SR-71, he learned the craft of mixed-compression supersonic inlets from Dave Campbell, who holds a patent covering the inlet system used on Lockheed Blackbirds. The AEHS is very pleased to publish Tom's paper on the design and operation of SR-71 mixed compression inlets. An additional resource is Robert Abernethy's patent covering the Pratt & Whitney J58 bypass system.
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2015, 07:46:02 AM »
How could YF-12/A-12 be modified in order to convert it in a low level bomber?

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2015, 07:54:27 AM »
How could YF-12/A-12 be modified in order to convert it in a low level bomber?


Here are some of Lockheed's B-71 proposals using SRAMs and B-61s:


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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2015, 08:34:05 AM »
There is discussion about this the over at Secret Project. Lots of charts on performance and various options.

Here's some info on a few unbuilt SENIOR CROWN variations:

SR-71I

30 September 1980 iteration:
-AWG-9 radar
-four AIM-54 missiles
-anti-AWACS tasked

1 November 1982 iteration:
-APG-65 radar
-four AIM-120 missiles (80 nm range when fired at Mach 3.1 and 80,000 feet)
-anti-AWACS tasked
-secondary anti-bomber tasking

SR-71(Bx) (1976)

-nuclear strike aircraft
-four AGM-69 missiles (514 nm downrange/200 nm crossrange range when fired at Mach 3 and 80,000 feet)
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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2015, 02:56:32 AM »
Some Comic book action:

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2015, 09:30:42 AM »
Ah, so the Blackbirds were actually extra atmospheric interceptors that the government pretended were reconnaissance aircraft to prevent the inevitable panic if the general public realised we were at war with alien invaders?

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: December 08, 2015, 10:13:34 AM »
I think they're F-12s. The "secret" is that they actually entered service.

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Re: Lockheed A-12 & SR-71 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2015, 04:30:57 AM »
Those HAVE to be F-12s.
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