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Offline MaxHeadroom

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Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« on: August 08, 2014, 03:43:45 AM »
Talking with friends about and looking into the net about "Steam Punk" I'd an idea to recycle an old kit from my youth.
Steam punk is a fascinating theme for a modelbuilder, 'cause it let your fantasy free (in a certain frame).
Copper, brass, leather, steam engines, cogwheels, hydraulics and so one can be used, it's based in the victorian age of industrial revolution and uses techniques of modern times with the resources of the mid/late 19th century.
Funny!

And this is the old kit, I use for:


Now I present you the first pictures.
This was the (more or less) shattered base:


Extending the frame and showing the 6 tires to make a 6-wheeler of:


What the hell is this for?


What for? Of course for making the boiler:


To be continued.

Norbert
« Last Edit: August 08, 2014, 03:46:24 AM by MaxHeadroom »

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2014, 06:10:58 AM »
Seems like you chose the perfect vehicle for the Steam Punk treatment.

I'm looking forward to seeing where you take this!

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2014, 12:48:24 PM »
PLUS you get to use useful elements like aether & phlogiston! ;D





n.b: Although both well & truly debunked by the end of the 19th Century they do seem to get a good run in the Steam Punk genre.
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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2014, 03:16:47 AM »
Watching closely.
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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2014, 03:09:45 AM »
Now I have constructed the condensation-unit between the boiler and the passenger-compartement.
The slots of the condensing unit were the slots of the kit's original Aston Martin bonnet/hood.


And now a preview of the next steps:

The two tanks (one for water, one for oil) are made of a syringe, each containing (in scale) 250 litre/65 gal. (US)/55 gal. (UK) approximately.


Norbert

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2014, 06:41:54 AM »
Yes sir !!!!

I really like where this is heading.. Has a sort of Dick Darstardly feel to it out of Wacky Racers.


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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2014, 06:47:31 AM »
Definitely like the 6 wheel layout, neat idea.

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2014, 03:13:21 AM »
Definitely like the 6 wheel layout, neat idea.

I've got to agree! Genius thinking, that!

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2014, 02:23:07 AM »
The need for a double-axis (-axle?) at the stern is obviously, I think.
Cause we have two tanks, together with a filling of roundabout 500 kg, the lightweight-frame of the sports-steamer needs support.
So I was forced to find a solution to spread the load.
The result is a 6-wheeler.

Everytime, when I build a model coming out of my fantasy, I count in the physics!
It's necessary.
Therefore, I will never build a carrier-Luftschiff, because of the massive discrepancy of the size of the "balloon" and the "payload".
Nevertheless, I like the idea of a carrier-Zeppelin and the examples, I have seen in some modelbuilder-boards!

Norbert

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2014, 05:30:54 AM »
The Aston-ishing steamer is still in progress!

Here an overviev (status: an hour ago):

I'd added a panel at the front, a bracing between the stern and the passenger compartement and the rear suspension.

And now a closer view:

You can see the bracing, I'd maked a T-profile to strengthen it.
To create the rear suspension, I'd built two new, longer packages of leaf-springs.
Because of the fact longer packages of leaf-springs are softer than shorter ones, I'd added one more layer to compensate the greater softness.
The drive will be made of connecting rods like a steam-locomotive. That makes it necessary to prevent a independent suspension, so I'd created a collectively suspension of the two rear axles.
The whole construction was made of plastic sheets of different thicknesses to make it realistic.
I'd recycled the original friction-dampers (friction-shock-absorbers).
A locomotive doesn't need a suspension like a car with springs, because of the stiff and plain tracks. That makes driving by rods easy. Now, the rear suspension of my steamer allows to connect both wheels at each sides by simple stiff rods.
The connection between the steamengine and the rear suspensionsystem by rods will be a bit difficult, but I will find a logical solution.
I'm thinking of movable, two-piece rods for both of the sides of the car, each of the two halfs connected by springs and shock absorbers.

Norbert


« Last Edit: August 31, 2014, 05:52:24 AM by MaxHeadroom »

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2014, 05:51:18 AM »
Why not use a geared drive?, or chain drive which was used on steam autos.

http://www.gearedsteam.com/index.html

... of course rod drive was used as in the De Dion Bouton Trepardeoux Quadracycle.  ;)
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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2014, 06:04:45 AM »
A geared drive or a chain drive, jcf?
Why not use such drive?
If I will be honest; I must confess, I didn't have thought about these alternatives.
But...  ;)
(Maybe a chain drive between engine and rear suspension system will be realistic. I will think about.)

Thank you,

Norbert

P.S.: thx for the links!
« Last Edit: August 31, 2014, 06:08:12 AM by MaxHeadroom »

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2014, 10:14:59 AM »
If I was going for a futuristic look, I'm be tempted to do something with a steam-powered electric drive (either a direct driven generator or a steam-turbine-generator package) and electric motors on all wheels.  For what you're doing, I'd argue for a chain drive with proper oiling system and protections against a broken chain.

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2014, 04:41:11 PM »
I like..  I like a lot.  :)

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2014, 06:36:03 PM »
I like..  I like a lot.  :)

I couldn't agree more. I really like those springs, too. Nice touch, Norbert!

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2014, 11:54:54 PM »
@ elmayerle:
What do you mean by "protection against a broken chain"?
I never ever have heard about a protection against ripped up chains.

(I only can imagine two extra-tiny dwarfs having ultra-fast reactions living in boxes at each side of the frame , pushing the emergency-clutch-buttons and grabbing the loose ends of the teared drive-chain. ;) )

So, I think, I better will realize the drive-rod-system.

Thx to all others, liking my project.

Norbert

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2014, 07:59:30 AM »
Presumably a chain guard that keeps a broken chain from flailing around as it falls off.  Generally I'd see it as a piece of sheet metal between the chain and more delicate pieces or people.  It could also make it more difficult for something kicked up from the roadway surface from hitting and damaging the chain.

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2014, 02:10:39 AM »
Thx, elmayerle, I think now I know what you mean.

I remember a capsuled gearwheels-drivechain-system from the past.
Like this:

(a 1969 50 ccm Kreidler Florett)

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2014, 06:14:31 AM »
a chain-guard makes sense but ..... is not "cool".  Far sexier to see the chain going round at speed & slinging some oil about like I've seen at a vintage racer outing. :)

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2014, 06:46:17 AM »
You'll bet, raafif! ;)

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2014, 04:22:03 AM »
And now for two (or 2 and a half) steps more.

I'd problems by creating the wheels:
a) because I haven't 6 tires of the same size and
b) because i wasn't sure about the design of the rims, although I have 6 spoke-rims of the same sort.
but I can't use them - they are too weak for connecting rods. They are good for usual cars, but not for a rod driven steam-car!
Scratchbuilding some steam-locomotive-like rims, my skills are not advanced enough for.
The sollution was: disc rims.
So, I didn't use the spoke-rims at the front wheels either...

...look yourself:

On the left (from a verrry ooold GDR-kit) a front wheel.
The problem was the much too wide drilling. I'd widen it up, inserted some pieces of round plastic stick and drilled a new hole for the Aston-axle.
Building the disc-rims, my skills to create a profile like at real rims are too poor.
Like this:

So I simply made the disc, added some spacers to the inner side (see at the right) and then, I create the outsides (in the middle):
Spigots for the rods (red) and in opposite of each spigot ballance weights to prevent the imballance just like at a real wheel of a steamlocomotive.
In the center, I have build a hub, complete with a (six-cornered) nut as a central lock (honed down by a file and holded with my own sausage-like fingers. ;) ).

I hope, you like (although it's simplicity).
 
But I have also found an answer for the 2nd and half problem.
How to paint the "Aston-ishing Steamer"?
This is the answer:

This is the locomotive of the "Flying Scotsman".
I confess, this not a victorian-age painting, the period of steampunk is settled in, because the A-3-locomotive was used from 1923 on, but I think, the style of the A 3's painting is oldfashioned enough and it's lovely!!! I like it very much.

Norbert
« Last Edit: September 20, 2014, 02:35:41 AM by MaxHeadroom »

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2014, 03:24:59 AM »
And now for the most important part: the mechanics of the drive (pistonrods and connecting rods).
First a view of the making of:


And this is the actual status:

Above the rods-system for the right side and below for the left side.
Both sides also in the correct geometry!
You see the needles with the tiny pinheads? I'm thinking of using the pinheads with some few millimeters of the needles as riveted bolts.
I won't simply glue the parts, because I like to keep the drive and the wheels movable!

Next step will be giving the parts a cover with primer and then the final colour like at the Flying Scotsman.

Norbert


Btw.:
Please grant a question of understanding related to the words "color"/"colour".
I know, both versions means the german "Farbe". But why the different look; 1st with a single "o", 2nd with "ou"?
I've seen both version in BE and in AE, so I think the difference is not related by these both versions of the english language.
Please help me!
I want to understand!

N.
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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2014, 03:42:22 AM »
Color is the American English spelling of 'colour', but it was also used in Britain, along with other variations,
before the standardization of spelling.

In the US it is one of several words formerly spelled with an 'ou' that were simplified in the 19th
century by Noah Webster, amongst others. In the same period many words that had ended 're'
had the two letters reversed to 'er' i.e. centre vs. center, metre vs. meter etc.

Either version is correct and neither is phonetic in terms of pronunciation.  ;)  :icon_fsm:

p.s. Nice drive linkages, are you going to do the valve linkages next?  ;)

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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2014, 05:35:40 AM »
Thx a lot jcf for your friendly comment about my rod-system.
Sure, valves and tubes and so on will follow, but the drive was very important and I'd thought, I was forced to create it as realistic as possible.
The valves and the tubes and the whatever, for me grants a greater "artistical freedom" (in german: "künstlerische Freiheit").


And thx a lot for your linguistic explaination!
I see, there a sometimes two different orthographic versions with the same meaning and the same sound.
Interestingly they both are valid in BE as well as in AE (and in Australia, NZ, Belize, RSA, and so on?).

Same here in Germany: 
Some years ago (roundabout 10), we were the victim (in my opinion) of a orthographic reform; "Delfin" instead of "Delphin" (eng.:, "dolphin"), "Majonäse" instead of "Mayonnaise" (engl.: "mayonnaise/salad cream") and many more - the orthography of the centuries old historic roots raped by the simple sound of the word. Horrible!
And sometimes they have divided 2-words-words into 2 single words, what makes a total different meaning... let me give an example: "weitergeben" to "weiter geben".
Before the reform there was the 2-words-word AND the 2 single words perfect: "weitergeben" means "giving from one's hand into an other's hand", or a company to the next generation of the owner's family and so on. But "weiter geben" simply means "to continue giving something" like "will you continue to give informations about xy to me?".
Now after the reform we can't see the meaning just by reading by the word/-s, we are forced to find out the meaning by the context of the sentence/the text.

Now the joke; the TOTALLY TRUE joke:
After many very loud protests from the people and from journalists and authors and many other groups, the "society of german language" said: "Now, we have an official new version... but if you like you can use the old one, it won't be a mistake."

Pestilence and cholera to the reformers!!

Norbert


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Re: Steam Punk - The "Aston"-ishing Steamer
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2014, 07:34:06 AM »
That rod system is awesome: well done!  :o 8)

Re the language thing, BE and AE versions of these words may be acceptable nowadays (mostly because spellcheckers default to AE) in practice, but how far they're acceptable depends who you're asking. When I was at school in the UK (up to mid 1980s):

"Color" was considered flat wrong: use it and you'd lose a mark for incorrect spelling.

"Centre" was only considered correct for the middle of a circle, while "center" was correct for a place, i.e. The Computer Center.

"Metre" was only considered correct for the measuring unit equal to 100cm, while "meter" was correct for a measuring device, i.e. an electricity meter.


a chain-guard makes sense but ..... is not "cool".  Far sexier to see the chain going round at speed & slinging some oil about like I've seen at a vintage racer outing. :)

Having been hit in the back by a broken motorcycle chain that went through it's plastic "chain guard" like it wasn't there, I can assure you that proper chain guards are much cooler than bruises.
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