Beyond The Sprues
Current and Finished Projects => Physical Models => Aero-space => Topic started by: Madhatter on July 12, 2015, 03:07:28 PM
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Well, it's time to tackle something a little bit bigger this time - the mighty Trumpeter 1/32 SU-27! It's huge!!
I do have a spot for it on the shelf but I rather suspect it will take up a lot more room than what I've allocated. I think a reshuffle will be in order
I have spent a few hours on it already - most of it prepping the body and making the missiles, getting the resin all cut up and sanded, and I have just put down a coat of black Alclad primer onto the cockpit.
I was going to add lights to this, but now I can't be arsed. If I was going to use the Trumpy pit, then yeah, I would, but as I'm using the Aires pit, well, too much work was needed to accommodate lighting
I never intended to use any resin AM parts other than the Zacto Intakes, but I got all of them for dirt cheap, so I may as well. I can't believe it though - I actually broke the cockpit floor! I know right:- the floor!!!! How did I do that?? Well, as I was sawing away the huge pour plug when I realised I had sawed upwards a bit and the blade went into the floor a bit. Then as I was removing the plug, it snapped right where the seat sits. I know that sounds very complicated and you probably have no idea what the heck I'm talking about, but I will show you some pictures of it once the paint has gone on. Thank God it broke in a place that you won't see once it's all together
But, thankfully, that's the only thing to have gone wrong ..... so far
In the mean time, I have washed the body with Tamiya's panel line wash. This seems a bit odd considering I haven't actually put anything together, but I find it's easier to keep track of what details I am loosing as the sanding process goes onward. It also helps with the painting of the body when it's time to do that.
I have also removed the splitter panels on the bottom half ready for the Zacto intakes
Time for the limited pictures:
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1471_zpsypipdwwg.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1471_zpsypipdwwg.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1470_zpsdimaiwis.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1470_zpsdimaiwis.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1466_zpsiivnxdz9.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1466_zpsiivnxdz9.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1465_zps9dvqmfzx.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1465_zps9dvqmfzx.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1464_zpstef8yol1.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1464_zpstef8yol1.jpg.html)
the Missiles so far (they will have some missing details added to them shortly)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1468_zpsezvfzyvs.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1468_zpsezvfzyvs.jpg.html)
Now I know that Aires have a reputation for not always fitting properly and the front wheel wells of the Flanker kit are well documented, but nothing prepared me for this:
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1497_zpse3jmel9d.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1497_zpse3jmel9d.jpg.html)
Notice that the holding pins don't even line up and the length of mine isn't really an issue. I think I will bypass using these wells and detail the kit ones instead. The rear ones seem fine so far, but it's early days yet and I haven't even sawed off the pour plugs yet.
People bag out Trumpeter for producing incorrect details of these wheel wells but let's be honest - how many times are you likely to turn over such a huge kit to look at the wheel wells? I know I won't be. If I have too many issues with the Aires stuff, I will revert to the Kit ones and detail them instead.
Well, I'm going to go now and keep chugging on with this, but I will post a more interesting update shortly
Thanks for stopping by
MH
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Wow - ambitious!!
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Wow! The Aires resin not fitting? Considering how damned expensive that stuff is you would expect a better product.
Certainly an ambitious project and larger than most people realize. The Academy kit in 1:48th scale was gargantuan but in 1:32nd scale it is a dinner table-top modeling project just for the space requirements :)
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You're mad - the 1/72 Flanker I bought is far too big! I honestly had to check the scale wasn't a misprint. I look forward to seeing your progress.
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Wow! The Aires resin not fitting? Considering how damned expensive that stuff is you would expect a better product.
Aires stuff rarely fits, regardless of subject, and the larger the resin piece the more likely that shrinkage is going to be an issue.
Dollars to donuts they detailed out the original Trumpeter part as their pattern, then made a mould directly from that and then
started pouring resin to make copies which then shrunk as they cured. By it's nature it will shrink more along the long axis, so it
becomes very doubtful that the holes on the cloned part would line up with the injection moulded part.
It's just the nature of the beast.
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Yes - Aires stuff does have a reputation for ill fitting parts. Still, they look great! :)
Well, I have finally managed to sort out my Laptop and get a connection back with the camera and as such, I can finally upload where I currently am up to.
I realise the intro pics were very dull and not interesting at all, so maybe these ones wuill be of more interest to you.
The cockpit - or at least, where I am so far with it. It does need a wash of sorts, but I am reluctant to do a black was simply because I think it would be too much of a contrast, so I am thinking of grey. The paint it still drying on some parts of it and once that's dried,I'll coat it in future and then do a wash.
The main console is still a work in progress, but I did get the dials done and I must say, I am happy with how they came out
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1499_zpsawdghrhn.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1499_zpsawdghrhn.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1502_zpsdz7ycnkl.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1502_zpsdz7ycnkl.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1500_zpsgaclmbzk.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1500_zpsgaclmbzk.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1501_zpsl1wcm2rk.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1501_zpsl1wcm2rk.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1511_zpsof9arwta.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1511_zpsof9arwta.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1515_zpsl8mo8tau.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1515_zpsl8mo8tau.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1516_zpsyhzzylqw.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1516_zpsyhzzylqw.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1517_zpsnibjvtij.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1517_zpsnibjvtij.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1521_zpsguggyzwm.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1521_zpsguggyzwm.jpg.html)
Most of the dodgy painting will be blended in better with the wash (I hope)
I have also made a couple of missing details on the body - an exhaust on the right side and some other ones on the left - although I still have more to do.
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1522_zpswlfavkqa.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1522_zpswlfavkqa.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1523_zpsw9kwxhiu.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1523_zpsw9kwxhiu.jpg.html)
you can see where the other ones are to go with the pencil marks there
I have edited this post with some updated images fresh form the camera:
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1535_zps0dnifl8e.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1535_zps0dnifl8e.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1525_zps0azeamv6.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1525_zps0azeamv6.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1533_zps5ogpwhj3.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1533_zps5ogpwhj3.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1531_zpsjdyqtxy5.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1531_zpsjdyqtxy5.jpg.html)
Well, that's it for now, but thanks for looking
MH
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Fine work on the cockpit, the instrument panel is excellent.
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Great job so far :) I just love to watch your WIP-s. They're rally inspirational.
I wonder if you've seen this one:
http://www.naritafamily.com/howto/Su27/photo_frame.htm (http://www.naritafamily.com/howto/Su27/photo_frame.htm)
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thank you Artoor - that's very kind of you to say
Yes indeed I have seen Massa's 27. In fact, it was one of the builds that inspired me a long time ago to buy one of these monsters! :)
I haven't had a chance to work on this as my family is over here from NZ to celebrate my big 40, but I am hoping to spend a couple of hours tonight working on the missiles and adding the missing detail from them. I'll update again soon
MH
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What scheme do you have in mind for the final work?
my family is over here from NZ to celebrate my big 40
You do know that mention of NZ results in this suggestion:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Gekko_1/Su-30NZKiwi.jpg)
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That is so not fair to do that to me! ;) I had a scheme all sorted out including decals and paint mixes until you showed me that! To make it worse, I really love that scheme. Wish I had seen that before I began this. I'm doing the #56 from Ukraine.
But, I do have a little 1/144 SU-27 in the pile somewhere so I think I might just have a go on that one and if it works, ill buy a 48th scale one and do the same.
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Wow! The Aires resin not fitting? Considering how damned expensive that stuff is you would expect a better product.
Aires stuff rarely fits, regardless of subject, and the larger the resin piece the more likely that shrinkage is going to be an issue.
Dollars to donuts they detailed out the original Trumpeter part as their pattern, then made a mould directly from that and then
started pouring resin to make copies which then shrunk as they cured. By it's nature it will shrink more along the long axis, so it
becomes very doubtful that the holes on the cloned part would line up with the injection moulded part.
It's just the nature of the beast.
When designing gravity dies in the 90s I recall having to calculate shrinkage and draft angles but it has been so long since I've worked that side of the process I can't actually recall how I did it, i.e. whether it was a table I pulled the figures off, an automatic scaling factor or a actual calculations (I remember doing them but not whether I applied them or not on this), I do recall we introduced Unigraphics at about this point which made it all a lot easier. Anyway I moved into R&D and testing not long after and never looked back, shame really as design drafting was fun and less physically taxing than what I ended up doing.
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That is so not fair to do that to me! ;)
Those who know me from my work environment know that I don't play fair... ;)
Of course, if you are feeling adventurous...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Gekko_1/Su-30MKKAdversary.jpg)
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That is so not fair to do that to me! ;)
Those who know me from my work environment know that I don't play fair... ;)
Of course, if you are feeling adventurous...
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Gekko_1/Su-30MKKAdversary.jpg[/url])
... now Im wondering what a digital NZ camo scheme on an Su30 would look like ...
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I had exactly the same thought when I saw the above image for the first time - it was on my phone and it looked so small I thought it was some new splinter styled scheme - but I was wrong. I am really digging the first one though and I reckon I could make that into a splinter version. I would just like to see more than just a profile though so I can see the full pattern. I could just base it on the A4 like I did with the F-22
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Kiwi%20F22/2012_10_23_0799.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Kiwi%20F22/2012_10_23_0799.jpg.html)
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Love that F-22 - need to see more!!!
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That's some amazing work!
I think I'd need a magnifying glass to truly appreciate such magnificent detailing!
The camo scheme is so natural for this bird it's scary and of course, Kiwis are always an added bonus!
Sure has the makings of a prize-winner!
Brian da Basher
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Fancy! Looks like there is a ton of detail in that model.
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dredging this one up because I have been slowly working away on it while I wait for my lighting boards for the Yamato
I've done a fair bit on it since July!
the Zacto intakes arrived on the day I started the Yamato (go figure) so that was one less thing to worry about
They have since been painted internally and trimmed up etc ready to go in
The Aires rear wheel wells are painted and installed. I chose to go for really dirty because I like that look. I know it's not accurate and I'm sure some will be really displeased with them, but I like them. Besides, they're underneath and who ever really looks there anyway?
I managed to get the control surfaces all fitting nicely and in place by extending the slots where the PE parts go into. That seemed to work really well. I'm going to have the front slats in the upright position because I have yet to see a Flanker build with them up and I like them nice and flat. This way, I also don't have to muck around getting the pivoting position right
The gun bay is done and I added some wires - just for interest., I doubt very much they're even there, but again - it's more for me and my tastes
So, enough writing, there's the pics
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1959_zpsrke2z41a.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1959_zpsrke2z41a.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1960_zpsiioxqqvj.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1960_zpsiioxqqvj.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1961_zpsuyr89hqf.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1961_zpsuyr89hqf.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1977_zpsyqmfllrc.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1977_zpsyqmfllrc.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1972_zpslahfzkfd.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1972_zpslahfzkfd.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1978_zpsrrlo3r76.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1978_zpsrrlo3r76.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1979_zpsdwt1vgwj.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1979_zpsdwt1vgwj.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1980_zpsvs329ttc.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1980_zpsvs329ttc.jpg.html)
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1981_zpsopsidjy4.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/Ukrainian%20SU-27/IMG_1981_zpsopsidjy4.jpg.html)
I had to add a shim of sorts on the insides of the intake roof because there would be a rather large space there - which I'm not sure why is there.
Anyways, that's it for now. I need to start mixing some blues together and do some spraying on the underside where it'll be next to impossible to get to later
As always - thanks for looking
MH
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Details like this just amaze me! I can only marvel at the incredible talent and patience it takes to do this.
This is like the X-treme sports version of model building, and you'd be a contender for the championship for sure!
Thanks for a great update!
Brian da Basher
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:-[ thanks Brian - your very kind
I'm putting a call out for help. I cracked my canopy while polishing it and I need a replacement. Unfortunately, Zacto no longer produce the replacement set, so I am hoping someone out there already has this replacement set and is willing to sell me the kit one?
Si