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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: The Big Gimper on January 03, 2012, 09:00:38 PM

Title: Curtiss-Wright F14C-1 Goshawk II and Rook MK.I
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 03, 2012, 09:00:38 PM: Folks:

I have three Monogram P-36As in boxes.

In my flu induced stupor last night, I thought what if the P-36A was navalized as a follow on to the Goshawk.

The USN used it as the Goshawk II, the FAA as the Rook MK.I. Wings would have folded in outboard of the landing gear and tips folded back like the Seafire.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Curtis-Wright F13C-1 Goshawk II and Rook MK.I
Post by: Stargazer2006 on January 03, 2012, 09:21:09 PM: Only thought at this stage is: "Go ahead!!!"

Are you planning on a more-or-less "regular" P-36 or something intermediary between the Goshawk and the Hawk, something like a biplane P-36?
Title: Re: Curtis-Wright F13C-1 Goshawk II and Rook MK.I
Post by: Maverick on January 03, 2012, 09:43:11 PM: I must admit, when I first saw 'Goshawk', my first thought was of the F9C & its trapeze. :D

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Curtis-Wright F13C-1 Goshawk II and Rook MK.I
Post by: Stargazer2006 on January 03, 2012, 10:07:23 PM: Quote from: Maverick on January 03, 2012, 09:43:11 PM
I must admit, when I first saw 'Goshawk', my first thought was of the F9C & its trapeze.

Nah... That was the Sparrowhawk!!!
Title: Re: Curtis-Wright F13C-1 Goshawk II and Rook MK.I
Post by: Maverick on January 03, 2012, 10:19:13 PM: Very true indeed. But a P-36 with a trapeze would be pretty nifty methinks. :yarr:

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Curtis-Wright F13C-1 Goshawk II and Rook MK.I
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 03, 2012, 10:19:46 PM: Hi Stephane:

I going with the stock P-36A. Given the flight of the Goshawk was in 1930 and the P-36A 1935, the gap is too small to look at a hybrid bi-plane.

The Curtiss SBC-4 Helldiver flew in 1935 but it was outdated. Monowing fighters are the standard.

- Carl
Title: Re: Curtis-Wright F13C-1 Goshawk II and Rook MK.I
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 03, 2012, 10:39:17 PM: Quote from: Maverick on January 03, 2012, 10:19:13 PM
Very true indeed. But a P-36 with a trapeze would be pretty nifty methinks. :yarr:

Regards,

John

Good idea. This could be the fate of my 3rd P-36A.
Title: Re: Curtis-Wright F13C-1 Goshawk II and Rook MK.I
Post by: Empty Handed on January 03, 2012, 11:30:22 PM: Sounds great, go for it! I've had a similar idea myself.

I have a vacuform O-52 Owl I'm planning on doing as a low-wing monoplane to act as a missing link between the XF13C-1 and an extended family of late-model F13Cs (naval P-36s) that may well end with a tight-cowled R-2800 engined variant acting as a lead-in to the F14C.
Title: Re: Curtis-Wright F13C-1 Goshawk II and Rook MK.I
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 04, 2012, 02:10:42 AM: Is this becoming a C-W GB?
Title: Re: Curtis-Wright F13C-1 Goshawk II and Rook MK.I
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 04, 2012, 02:58:58 AM: Quote from: The Big Gimper on January 04, 2012, 02:10:42 AM
Is this becoming a C-W GB?

That's really up to you guys - feel free to nominate it as one... (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=49.0)

BTW, absolutely love the idea of a navalised P-36!!! :in-love:
Title: Re: Curtis-Wright F13C-1 Goshawk II and Rook MK.I
Post by: jcf on January 05, 2012, 05:07:55 AM: The 'real-world' Curtiss XF13C-1 was designed in 1932 as both a monoplane and a biplane.
The aircraft first flew as the XF13C-2 biplane, it was then converted to the XF13C-1 monoplane
configuration, back to biplane fro USN tests, and then again to monoplane with a larger engine
and reduced height vertical tail as the XF13C-3. Three designations and one serial number BuA 9343.
???
(http://www.historicaircraft.org/Navy-Aircraft/images/Curtiss-XF13C1.jpg)
(http://www.historicaircraft.org/Navy-Aircraft/images/Curtiss-XF13C2.jpg)

Interestingly Curtiss proposed a land-based version to the Army in 1933 as Project EX-38479,
the Army said 'no thanks'.
:D

As to the designation of an alternate universe navalized Hawk 75/P-36, personally I'd be inclined to
use F14C, as in the new timeline it would predate the 'real-world' XF14C and XF15 projects. Those
two would, in turn, then be bumped up to XF15C and XF16C, which could cause no end of consternation
in certain circles.
:tagger:

... and of course there would be fixed gear and float versions of any navalized Model 75.
:yarr:
Title: Re: Curtis-Wright F13C-1 Goshawk II and Rook MK.I
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 05, 2012, 05:49:12 AM: They're laboratory mice
Their genes have been spliced
They're dinky
They're Pinky and The Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain

Thanks for the update JC. I'm okay with the F14C designation.

A question back to the experts: would the tail hook have been installed under the rudder or under the fuselage?

Carl
Title: Re: Curtis-Wright F13C-1 Goshawk II and Rook MK.I
Post by: jcf on January 05, 2012, 06:30:55 AM: Hey Carl,
the rudder placement and shape of the Model 75 would probably dictate an under fuselage
mounting ala earlier Curtiss types. The XF13C appears to have its hook in the tailcone
beneath the rudder, but it has a rudder assembly that is mounted on top of the fuselage,
not at the end of the fuselage like the Model 75.

Perhaps a bump fairing aft of the tailwheel and a re-profile of the bottom of the rudder ala
the SB2C or perhaps a new fixed lower stinger with a shortened rudder?

Jon
Title: Re: Curtis-Wright F13C-1 Goshawk II and Rook MK.I
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 05, 2012, 07:23:55 AM: Quote from: jcf on January 05, 2012, 06:30:55 AM
Perhaps a bump fairing aft of the tailwheel and a re-profile of the bottom of the rudder ala
the SB2C or perhaps a new fixed lower stinger with a shortened rudder?

Jon

I think I'll start with a bump fairing and see where that goes. I know A/C were sensitive to the sizes of the flying surfaces so I don't want to mess with the pilots notes on handling.

:D