Air Launched Missiles...big ones!!!

[GTX_Admin]

Hi folks,

A thread dedicated to your ideas for big air launched missiles.  Eg.

GAM-63 RASCAL:



Avro Blue Steel:



AGM-28 Hound Dog:



GAM-87 Skybolt:



P-270 Moskit:



Raduga Kh-22:



Raduga Kh-20:

[finsrin]

They be big indeed.  Could be leading to an era of air launched submarines !

[kitnut617]

I made this up (top photo) which is actually a modified Tallboy bomb.  The idea is, it was carried by a TSR2 but now I'm thinking of having it with a motor as an accelerator (or to maintain speed - whatever),  I had shortened the tail cone which left a large hole in the end (middle photo), which could be an exhaust outlet.  I'll add an intake further forward, something like how I've modified this Martel (bottom two photos)

[Logan Hartke]

I got to see that first little Rascal the day before yesterday.



Cheers,

Logan

[Jeffry Fontaine]

I uploaded and previously shared some of the screen shots of the 3D models I had created of the Skybolt, Green Cheese, and Grand Slam II previously on that other forum.  Here is a link to the same subjects now contained in my FaceBook Album "SketchUp - Missile Shapes"

My Skybolt model created in SketchUp with a figure to establish scale/size of the subject:


Click on html or image to view additional images. 

[GTX_Admin]

Are there any kits of the Skybolt?

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Are there any kits of the Skybolt?

Only one that I know of and it is from Skarkit in France: Skarkit 1/72nd scale resin AGM-48 Skybolt

To make one from scratch would be relatively easy since the shape is nothing more than a long cylinder shape with a parabolic cure on one end and a cone shape at the other end for the one version.  Substituting the cone shape for a compound cone-truncated cone-cylinder shape for the second version would be easy enough to do as well. 

[Daryl J.]

Hmmmm.....
Hmmmmm.

This is all lending more and more credence to stretching a Monogram B-29 Turboprop and putting something very very scary in its rather modified belly.   Such as the air launched Militiaman nuclear ICBM.    Flown from leased bases in the Yukon Territories.      (Goes upstairs and looks under bed.....yep, there are two unstarted Monogram B-29's there, still in shrinkwrap  )

[Jeffry Fontaine]

(Goes upstairs and looks under bed.....yep, there are two unstarted Monogram B-29's there, still in shrinkwrap  )

Keep me in mind if you ever feel the need to get rid of your Fat Man and Little Boy shapes :)

[GTX_Admin]

Well, the RASCAL for one was originally designed to be able to be carried by both the B-29 and B-50 (see photo below), so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to have one carry it operationally.

[Daryl J.]

Oh really.   I had no idea.   :)  Thanks!

[GTX_Admin]

Another to add to the list (especially after receiving a couple of sets in 1/48 - see photo below) would be the English Electric Blue Water missile:



Of course, I don't quite know what I will do with these, though the previously suggested use on either a Vigilante or Hustler are certainly appealing...as is the idea of perhaps turning a couple into some sort of super anti-shipping missile.

[GTX_Admin]

Of course, the fact that I just purchased this:



Might have had something to do with the starting of this topic...

[Daryl J.]

Box scale?


As far as the Blue Waters,  would there be any way to put two under a Sea Vixen?

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Of course, the fact that I just purchased this:

<snip>

Might have had something to do with the starting of this topic...

Nice score!  What scale is that kit?  I remember the Rascal missile shape that was provided in the very old missile display kit that was around 1/96th scale.  Your kit looks to be a lot larger than that. 

[GTX_Admin]

1/48 guys!!!

[GTX_Admin]

As far as the Blue Waters,  would there be any way to put two under a Sea Vixen?

Given the Blue water was suppose to be in the vicinity of 3,000 pounds (1,400 kg) it might be stretching it a bit...though maybe with reheat, rocket boost and a good catapult it could have happened...

[Daryl J.]

Might have to come up with a Blue Water Light then....

[kitnut617]

Are there any kits of the Skybolt?

Only one that I know of and it is from Skarkit in France: Skarkit 1/72nd scale resin AGM-48 Skybolt

Or Freightdog --

http://www.freightdogmodels.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=507&osCsid=15dd3ebeb7421e176d7e9f24abb70a43

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Are there any kits of the Skybolt?

Only one that I know of and it is from Skarkit in France: Skarkit 1/72nd scale resin AGM-48 Skybolt

Or Freightdog --

http://www.freightdogmodels.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=507&osCsid=15dd3ebeb7421e176d7e9f24abb70a43

Still the wrong scale :)

[Daryl J.]

Stepping back to the B-29/B-50 for a jiff:

Stretch B-29, turboprops, swept aft stabilizers.   Enlarged RASCAL called, say for instance, the Rebellious Redneck or something as such, and for self defense 2 Phoenix and two Sidewinders.   In USN service circa 1980.     (or whenever pre-SALT-II was)   Presumptions:   The Superfortress was kept in service as an adjunct to USAF and USN bombers and was used for this type of mobile missile delivery system.   I guess that means a bunch of frugal Baby Boomers in positions of power so it truly would be a Whiff.  (Epic Facepalm emoticon inserted here).

[elmayerle]

Stepping back to the B-29/B-50 for a jiff:

Stretch B-29, turboprops, swept aft stabilizers.   Enlarged RASCAL called, say for instance, the Rebellious Redneck or something as such, and for self defense 2 Phoenix and two Sidewinders.   In USN service circa 1980.     (or whenever pre-SALT-II was)   Presumptions:   The Superfortress was kept in service as an adjunct to USAF and USN bombers and was used for this type of mobile missile delivery system.   I guess that means a bunch of frugal Baby Boomers in positions of power so it truly would be a Whiff.  (Epic Facepalm emoticon inserted here).

Perhaps a B-54 or the original tubroprop B-52 design?

[finsrin]

Daryl - I second your statement.  :)

[GTX_Admin]

Maybe make use of the Cutting Edge Tu-4 Turboprop/AWACS conversion?

[kitnut617]

Maybe make use of the Cutting Edge Tu-4 Turboprop/AWACS conversion?

I've got one of those and guess what --- two engines missing   

I remember reading on ARC about it sometime ago too, got a lot of people p*ssed off with the owner as he wouldn't acknowledge it.  I bought the set thinking I could cast up the two missing from the existing two, but I've since found out they different.  Mind you I do have the Tu-95 in my stash -- I think they have the same engine configuration

[RussC]

Hmmmm.....
Hmmmmm.

This is all lending more and more credence to stretching a Monogram B-29 Turboprop and putting something very very scary in its rather modified belly.   Such as the air launched Militiaman nuclear ICBM.    Flown from leased bases in the Yukon Territories.      (Goes upstairs and looks under bed.....yep, there are two unstarted Monogram B-29's there, still in shrinkwrap  )

 Done that!

http://defensetech.org/2012/02/17/video-a-c-5-galaxy-air-launches-an-icbm-what/

[Dr. YoKai]

 I didn't even know a larger scale Rascal existed-still peeved I didn't pick up the Sharkit 1/72 version.  How much did you pay for this one, if you don't mind me asking?

[upnorth]

At a smaller scale, four Skybolts are available in the 1/144 Crown/Revell/Minicraft B-52 kit.

[GTX_Admin]

I didn't even know a larger scale Rascal existed-still peeved I didn't pick up the Sharkit 1/72 version.  How much did you pay for this one, if you don't mind me asking?

Well it wasn't cheap...

[GTX_Admin]

A Bell X-1 or X-2 might also provide a basis for a big stand off missile.

[GTX_Admin]

There is actually a built on of these for sale on eBay right now:  http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MONOGRAM-1-48-GAM-63-RASCAL-MISSILE-TRANSPORTER-LO-/180876909142?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1d1a9a56#ht_8517wt_1413

Regards,

greg

[elmayerle]

For those wanting something a bit smaller, wasn't there a testbed predecessor to the Rascal with a smaller diameter fuselage?

[Empty Handed]

Bell X-9 Shrike:

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/x-9.html

[elmayerle]

Hmm, perhaps a few carried by select B-50s for some stand-off strike capability?  Not sure if they'd be in USAF or USN markings.

[dwg]

I'm not sure any of these count as big in comparison to the Stratolaunch proposals

See http://www.stratolaunch.com/news.html (and yes, that is a twin-747 derivative)....

[RussC]

I'm not sure any of these count as big in comparison to the Stratolaunch proposals

See http://www.stratolaunch.com/news.html (and yes, that is a twin-747 derivative)....

  Soooo..... Paul Allen and Rutan stole one of Tophe's designs ?    :)

[Dr. YoKai]

 Say rather, they were inspired by Tophe's work     reading the updates on that page is a
 little startling: Thy're actually going ahead with turning a pair of 747s into a Zwilling to launch
 rockets!

[GTX_Admin]

How about an air launched MGM-13 Mace:

[Daryl J.]

Take Monograms He-111H-22 kit with the buzz bomb and 'Luft-46' it.
Either that or put it into post war Spanish service and designate them as the test country for unique large American and British missiles.   

[GTX_Admin]

Or maybe a SM-62 Snark:

[finsrin]

If you were so inclined and had the $$$.  The waters around Florida are Snark infested with so many that enough parts are likely retrievable to build 1/1 scale models.
Bill

[elmayerle]

If you were so inclined and had the $$$.  The waters around Florida are Snark infested with so many that enough parts are likely retrievable to build 1/1 scale models.
Bill

Or salvage that one that ended up in the Amazon basin when the flight test termination system didn't work and it flew off over the Atlantic.

I've been told by folks who were at Northrop at the time that the difficulty they had tracking Snarks got them interested in low observables.

[upnorth]

As far as the Blue Waters,  would there be any way to put two under a Sea Vixen?

Given the Blue water was suppose to be in the vicinity of 3,000 pounds (1,400 kg) it might be stretching it a bit...though maybe with reheat, rocket boost and a good catapult it could have happened...

I think ground clearance would be the real issue with hanging anything off the Sea Vixen. It didn't sit particularly high off the ground. Looking at how much space the Blue Water would have taken up under the TSR.2 wings; I doubt very much you'd have gotten them onto a Sea Vixen without a serious landing gear leg extension.

[GTX_Admin]

Of course, the fact that I just purchased this:



Might have had something to do with the starting of this topic...

There is another on sale on eBay now...be sure that you are sitting down when you see the asking price though:  http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/VINTAGE-1958-MONOGRAM-GAM-63-RASCAL-MISSILE-1-48-/251113590783?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a77894fff#ht_3619wt_1413

[Empty Handed]

^ 

I love the ol' GAM-63 as much as the next guy but I could build a new PC for that and make a fair Rascal approximation out of spare fuel tanks and fins!

[GTX_Admin]

I hope you followed my advice and were sitting down.

[Empty Handed]

Yes, I was. Of course now I have to convince my old rattletrap not to explode on me because I put the words *new* and *PC* together. She's grouchy this time of day! 

[raafif]

The VB-10, VB-11, and VB-12 used a circular airfoil and were fitted with TV, infrared, and radio command guidance systems respectively.

ATTENTION BRIAN ......
in addition to the Allied radio-controlled bombs & drones of WW1 I've come across a reference to an experimental wire guided Siemens-Schuckert glider-bomb to be launched from Zeppelins in WW1.

[GTX_Admin]

Cool photo - would look great to do up an operational B-17 loaded out with missiles.

[Diamondback]

I seem to recall they were talking about having a C-5 crap an ICBM in midair... LOL

Also, AGM-142 Have Nap/Rafael Popeye.

[finsrin]

I seem to recall they were talking about having a C-5 crap an ICBM in midair... LOL

Also, AGM-142 Have Nap/Rafael Popeye.

You recall correctly about C-5.
Inert test drop was made.  Maybe more.....

[GTX_Admin]

You were saying?

Minuteman 1 ICBM Air Launch

[Rickshaw]

The VB-10, VB-11, and VB-12 used a circular airfoil and were fitted with TV, infrared, and radio command guidance systems respectively.

The "VB-13", known as "TARZON" and later redesignated "ASM-A-1", was the only one of these later VB weapons to actually see action. It was a monster, a modified license-built British Tallboy deep-penetration bomb weighing 5.44 tonnes (12,000 pounds) and 6.4 meters (21 feet) long. It had a circular forward wing and a box tail, with four rudders on fins within the tail. It was, like the German glide bombs, radio-controlled and had a flare on its tail for optical tracking.

[Source]

[jschmus]

ATTENTION BRIAN ......
in addition to the Allied radio-controlled bombs & drones of WW1 I've come across a reference to an experimental wire guided Siemens-Schuckert glider-bomb to be launched from Zeppelins in WW1.

Verrry interresting:
http://warnepieces.blogspot.com/2011/12/guided-missiles-world-war-one-style.html

[Story]

 
The multi-platform "YJ-21" hypersonic missile as shown in the latest edition of "Naval and Merchant Ships", the most authoritative Chinese naval news magazine. Look at the size of it compared to the bomber.