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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on April 17, 2013, 05:31:20 PM

Title: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 17, 2013, 05:31:20 PM
Often over looked, let's here/see your Martin PBM Mariner Ideas and Inspiration.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Martin_PBM-5_Mariner_in_flight_c1945.jpeg)

Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: AGRA on April 17, 2013, 05:37:22 PM
Why fly Martin Mariners when you can fly Consolidated Carolinas:

(http://up-ship.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/img_9152a.jpg)
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: AGRA on April 17, 2013, 05:41:24 PM
But what about sticking those gull wings and two piece tails on a conventional bomber fuselage like a Martin Marauder. The extra wing clearance could be used for a WWII gunship. Don't know where you'd stick the main gear but. Maybe B-52 style bicycle gear.
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on April 19, 2013, 08:43:57 AM
... Maybe B-52 style bicycle gear.


As tested on the XB-26H 'Middle River Stump Jumper'.
http://www.lonesentry.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/test-martin-b-26H-marauder-bicycle-gear.jpg (http://www.lonesentry.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/test-martin-b-26H-marauder-bicycle-gear.jpg)
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on April 19, 2013, 09:31:54 PM
... Maybe B-52 style bicycle gear.


As tested on the XB-26H 'Middle River Stump Jumper'.
[url]http://www.lonesentry.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/test-martin-b-26H-marauder-bicycle-gear.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.lonesentry.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/test-martin-b-26H-marauder-bicycle-gear.jpg[/url])


IIRC, that was to test the u/c gear for the XB-51 ---
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: AGRA on April 19, 2013, 09:48:31 PM
IIRC, that was to test the u/c gear for the XB-51 ---

B-51: now there's a plane that should have been built. The Canberra was designed for hi-hi-hi but the B-51 for lo-lo-lo and the two would have complemented each other perfectly and then the B-51 would have been great for low level strikes on North Vietnam.
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on April 19, 2013, 11:39:09 PM
Stump Jumper test tesults were used in design of the XB-48, and the info was also used by Boeing
for the XB-47.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Martin_XB-48_taxiing.jpg)
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on December 07, 2013, 06:06:59 AM
One gets saved in active inventory for whatever reason and gets used as a test bed for launching Harpoon Missiles.
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 07, 2013, 07:58:13 AM
Does anyone else do a 1/72 scale Mariner kit? I have a Rareplanes one still in its bag and I've often thought of starting it, but it's pretty complex for a vacform.
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on December 07, 2013, 08:09:42 AM
Minicraft.
Brand new tooling. 
With a price in the Northern area of value....... :(
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on December 07, 2013, 10:00:28 PM
Minicraft.
Brand new tooling. 
With a price in the Northern area of value....... :(

Its too bad too, I really want one. Luckily Hobby Lobby has some with a %40 off coupon its not as bad, but I still havn't gone for it. SWMBO and I saw one up close and she loves them
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on December 08, 2013, 03:27:37 AM
Note that kit is of the R-2800 powered PBM-5A amphibian, which was post-WWII and only built/used in
small numbers. The kit includes gear-well blanking plates so with a little work it can be built as a
PBM-5 flying boat, however, no beaching gear in the kit. Building the most common WWII type,
PBM-3, requires different engines, and the earlier dash numbers require smaller nacelles. Evidently
the biggest shape error is a too shallow rear fuselage, which, according to a couple of commentators, Rareplanes got right.

US list of $69.95 is steep, but it less than the price of the Mach 2 kit, and unlike the Mach 2 kit
the Minicraft kit is a typical modern, mainstream injection moulded kit. So at the end of the day
I guess it's a matter of how much your time is worth.
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Queeg on December 08, 2013, 04:17:00 AM
Well I can't draw profiles for shit but it's a really neat looking shape.
I reackon i'd make a pretty neat looking conventional bomber.

Lose the wing floats and replace the lower float hull with something boxy - Liberator probably including the ball turret.
Add two more engines ........
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 08, 2013, 04:19:55 AM
I can see I may be opening up the plastic bag of my Rareplanes Mariner when I get home :)
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 08, 2021, 02:27:29 AM
Adding in Martin's other similar flying boat, which was designed as a successor to the PBM Mariner with more powerful engines, an improved hull, and a single vertical fin tail, the Martin P5M Marlin:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/SP-5B_VP-31_firing_HVAR_rockets.jpg)
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 08, 2021, 02:31:57 AM
Potential updates to P5M:

Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 08, 2021, 02:40:50 AM
Another pair of Marlin ideas:

Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 08, 2021, 08:29:30 AM
The RCAF also flew them.   ;)
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on March 08, 2021, 08:39:13 AM
Potential updates to P5M:

  • Give it 2 × Westinghouse J34-WE-34 turbojet engines in underwing pods akin to those used on the P2H Neptune from the same era
  • Provide a turbo-prop update - say twin T56s

Yes, right on.....
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Kerick on March 08, 2021, 11:13:20 AM
Potential updates to P5M:

  • Give it 2 × Westinghouse J34-WE-34 turbojet engines in underwing pods akin to those used on the P2H Neptune from the same era
  • Provide a turbo-prop update - say twin T56s

Sounds good, now get busy!

Yes, right on.....
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 09, 2021, 01:59:40 AM
The RCAF also flew them.   ;)

 :smiley:
Title: Re: Martin PBM Mariner/Martin P5M Marlin Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 09, 2021, 02:01:22 AM
Sounds good, now get busy!

I would but alas I don't have either a 1/48 Marlin or Neptune.  I do have a 1/48 Mariner but that's got other plans...