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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #300 on: December 25, 2014, 10:50:48 PM »
I'll take that advice as I work on mine.  Not sure if I'll splice in an inboard portion of the Dash 8 wing or just add an extension to the V-22 wing, but I've got time.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #301 on: December 25, 2014, 11:41:49 PM »

I know the Bell tilt-rotor thread over on Secret Projects has a depiction of a Bell/Boeing proposal of the V-22 nacelles and wing mated to a Dash 8 fuselage with a sponson added, each side, for the main gear.  I intend to model that one, either in civil markings or in CAF markings.

You'll need to extend the span on the wings. I know because I had one half built, Italeri V-22 + Hobby craft Dash 8, it died after a shelf collapse a couple years back.
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Now that sounds interesting Jon ---- anything to do with the Dash 8 fuselage being round and bigger in diameter than the square fuselage the V-22 has  ;)

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #302 on: January 08, 2015, 02:19:57 AM »
Odd thought for a huge tilt-rotor aircraft, a MIL Mi-12 with just the transmission and proprotor moving for each nacelle.

This thought stemmed from the NASA Historical Monograph on the XV-15 which include a lot of back history on tilt-rotor aircraft.  Platt-LePage Helicopters got into it looking at improvements that could be made to the Focke-Angleis twin-rotor concept with horizontally-spaced rotors rather than fore-and-aft spaced ones.  Since the Mi-12 has this same configuration, it seemed a natural as a large tilt-rotor aircraft.
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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #303 on: January 08, 2015, 04:34:25 AM »
Firmly on my to do list is a tilt rotor strike version. V-22 wings and rotors with a minimalist fuselage with hard points underneath for rocket pods, Hellfire and such. Some form of gun perhaps like the Apache. Landing gear would have to be on the tall side to allow room for weapons loading.

Seems IIRC the Marines have the problem of the V-22s out running their helicopter escorts. Usually its the armed aircraft out running the transports.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #304 on: January 08, 2015, 05:27:40 AM »
Seems IIRC the Marines have the problem of the V-22s out running their helicopter escorts. Usually its the armed aircraft out running the transports.
One reason an armed V-22 demonstration has been conducted.  The real trick is keeping the released weapons clear of the proprotors.  My own thought would be to keep the existing lines but replace the cargo bay with a weapons bay with doors on the bottom.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #305 on: January 08, 2015, 05:41:17 AM »
Seems IIRC the Marines have the problem of the V-22s out running their helicopter escorts. Usually its the armed aircraft out running the transports.
One reason an armed V-22 demonstration has been conducted.  The real trick is keeping the released weapons clear of the proprotors.  My own thought would be to keep the existing lines but replace the cargo bay with a weapons bay with doors on the bottom.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #306 on: January 08, 2015, 05:54:00 AM »
Please, the currently acceptable term is racks of inflight-disposable cargo. :)

In a different idea, a forest-fire fighting V-22 in either USFS markings or the equivalent French markings (as used on the CL-415's; are there decals of those available in 1/72?).

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #307 on: January 08, 2015, 07:21:02 AM »
(as used on the CL-415's; are there decals of those available in 1/72?).


Leading Edge Decal does some Ontario one and they used to do some New Foundland ones

http://www.lemdecal.com/
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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #308 on: January 08, 2015, 08:06:41 AM »
Firmly on my to do list is a tilt rotor strike version. V-22 wings and rotors with a minimalist fuselage with hard points underneath for rocket pods, Hellfire and such. Some form of gun perhaps like the Apache. Landing gear would have to be on the tall side to allow room for weapons loading.

Seems IIRC the Marines have the problem of the V-22s out running their helicopter escorts. Usually its the armed aircraft out running the transports.


A jaunt in the wayback machine: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=298.msg3802#msg3802

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #309 on: January 08, 2015, 08:20:47 AM »
Great thread with great builds.
Terrific tilt-rotor attack build :-*

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #310 on: January 08, 2015, 10:16:23 AM »
I did a quick look through the stash and didn't find anything useful for an attack version. However, the Mohawk cockpit is genius! The other thing I was imagining that I don't have in the stash is a Bronco front end. Now I have to shop!!

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #311 on: January 08, 2015, 10:20:15 AM »
I did a quick look through the stash and didn't find anything useful for an attack version. However, the Mohawk cockpit is genius! The other thing I was imagining that I don't have in the stash is a Bronco front end. Now I have to shop!!
Perhaps a 1/48 Apache cockpit and nose?

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #312 on: January 08, 2015, 11:33:10 AM »
I have a 1/72nd V-22 kit in the stash so I would like to stay with that. I was trying to imagine how to do any sort of in line cockpit instead of tandem. Apache is certainly a candidate. I was thinking of the Cheyenne too.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #313 on: January 08, 2015, 12:32:12 PM »
I as thinking Apache simply because Boeing acquired the Apache during their merger mania and has kept it.  Granted that the design office for the Apache is rather far across the country from the design office that did the fuselage of the V-22 (just outside Philadelphia), they still could work together.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #314 on: January 08, 2015, 12:36:29 PM »
(as used on the CL-415's; are there decals of those available in 1/72?).


Leading Edge Decal does some Ontario one and they used to do dome New Foundland ones

http://www.lemdecal.com/

Just checked Hannants, Syhart does French ones in 1/144 and 1/72; probably need both to do a V-22 properly.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #315 on: January 08, 2015, 12:40:18 PM »
How about a Bronco forward fuselage?

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #316 on: January 08, 2015, 01:08:14 PM »
How about a Bronco forward fuselage?
With both in 1/72, you'd need to redo most of the rest of the V-22 fuselage.  I'm thinking a 1/48 Bronco to a 1/72 V-22 would work, though.  Have to check that out.

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #317 on: January 08, 2015, 09:20:39 PM »
That would be an interesting scale o rama. 8)

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #318 on: January 08, 2015, 09:26:00 PM »
I do have a 1/72 whiskey cobra in the stash. Hmmmm....

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #320 on: January 17, 2015, 01:54:17 AM »
http://breakingdefense.com/2015/01/v-22-perfect-for-cod-navy-leaders/

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Yep, it will be denoted as the HV-22B.  I can see some other navies now getting interested in a similar variant (Osprey C.1 in Fleet Air Arm markings, anyone?).
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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #321 on: January 17, 2015, 02:12:14 AM »
The usual bunch of 'nay-sayers' are having a field day with this  --

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #322 on: January 17, 2015, 04:06:36 AM »
The usual bunch of 'nay-sayers' are having a field day with this  --

And as usual, don't have a clue what they are talking about...
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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #323 on: January 17, 2015, 02:36:58 PM »
The usual bunch of 'nay-sayers' are having a field day with this  --
Yeah, and it's quite entertaining if you're actually familiar with the aircraft (something I can claim legitimately).

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Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft
« Reply #324 on: January 17, 2015, 03:32:34 PM »
Anigrand has 1/72 Doak VZ-4DA.  Make a nifty attack tilt-rotor model.