Author Topic: AVRO Vulcan Ideas and Inspiration (Read 24479 times)

kitnut617 · « **on:** March 25, 2012, 06:23:05 AM »

I've got another idea forming for an advanced Avro Vulcan. While chatting with Jeff about the possible purchase of a Vulcan kit or two, I started thinking about what I would do with them and my first thoughts were to do a Vulcan MR.1 variant. My thinking is to attach the long underbody pannier that you find on a BAe Nimrod. This is not too much of a problem because the fuselage diamters of a Vulcan and Nimrod are very close to being the same, 9'-3" (Vulcan) to 9'-9" although the Airfix Nimrod seems to scale out to 10'-2 1/2". Mind you 5 1/2" in 1/72 scale is very small, a tad bigger than a 1/16" so it wouldn't be noticed.

Thinking about how I would cut the pannier off one of the Nimrods I have got me to match up some parts, and as I still have the wings not attached to my Atlantic, made it that much easier. But then I thought why bother cutting the pannier off the Nimrod when I could use the Nimrod fuselage completely, and this is why.

I'm thinking of making a Vulcan which will have the engine bays I'm planning for the Pacific version of the Atlantic, this would have CFM56 engines. And I'm thinking that I really need a bigger diameter fuselage to build a Vulcan like that, not as big as the Atlantic though which is at 12'-6" diameter.

Here's a pic of the Vulcan fan fronts that come in the Airfix kit compared to the engine fronts which will represent the CFM56's

kitnut617 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 25, 2012, 06:34:30 AM »

The reason why I think I need a bigger diameter fuselage is because after I draw up the new engine bay section of the wing, the inner chord profile will be bigger.

In this picture below you can see two chords, these are traced around the chord faces of the inner wings I'm attaching to the Atlantic (which will have the kit fan fronts). What I did was very carefully measured each chord along where the kit wing halves are, I then drew in my AutoCad program a line that represents both lengths. These I divided into equal parts and drew in some lines perpendicular to the datum line. Carefully lining up the wing I then traced around it, now I can measure this off in the AutoCad and create an exact chord profile. I will then space off the two lines and then join the corresponding points along each chord until I make an inner wing section in my drawing. From here I can extend these lines to the new inner wing width that will accomodate the CFM56 fan fronts. This will make the inner chord bigger which is why I will need a bigger fuselage.

The bottom photo is of the inner wing section as I'm using it on the Atlantic, from inner chord to outer chord it measures 1 7/16" wide, the new inner wing will measure 2" wide. The outer chord will remain the same as this is where the outer wing attaches.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #2 on:** May 05, 2012, 04:19:47 AM »

How about some export Vulcans? Maybe India for something different...

arc3371 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 05, 2012, 04:52:21 AM »

Indian is a great idea

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #4 on:** May 05, 2012, 05:40:26 AM »

Quote from: arc3371 on May 05, 2012, 04:52:21 AM

Indian is a great idea

Some of the Indian MiG-21 schemes provide an enticing option too!

arc3371 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 05, 2012, 05:43:25 AM »

May I suggest a nice Jaguar scheme

elmayerle · « **Reply #6 on:** May 05, 2012, 11:23:39 AM »

"Reverse Lend-Lease" Vulcans in USAF markings and SEA camoflage over 'Nam? In Euro One camo and USAFE markings? In white with day-glo red markings of the USAF Experimental Test Pilot's School? In gull gray and white as a USN maritme patrol aircraft?

Maverick · « **Reply #7 on:** May 05, 2012, 11:26:42 AM »

I did a total of 5 Vulcan profiles over the years in USAF markings.

Regards,

John

Daryl J. · « **Reply #8 on:** May 06, 2012, 11:54:23 AM »

I'd love to put a pointy nose on it.

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #9 on:** July 24, 2012, 11:54:48 PM »

Love Vulcaneer and Silent Vulcan

:)

Empty Handed · « **Reply #10 on:** July 25, 2012, 01:06:37 AM »

Yeah, the Silent Vulcan is gorgeous!!!

RussC · « **Reply #11 on:** July 25, 2012, 04:37:04 AM »

Well done, Jose. Wonder how a Vulc' would look in pusher turboprops ?

Daryl J. · « **Reply #12 on:** July 25, 2012, 04:57:06 AM »

Those are cool. :)

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #13 on:** July 25, 2012, 05:54:35 AM »

tc2324 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 26, 2012, 11:17:00 PM »

Last years USAF Vulcan.

tsrjoe · « **Reply #15 on:** July 27, 2012, 01:01:53 AM »

http://aircraftart.purpleglen.com/images/UK/AVRO/PROFILE%20-%20UK-AVRO-698400-vulcanb2.gif

upnorth · « **Reply #16 on:** July 27, 2012, 03:16:54 AM »

Cool stuff all around.

I just picked up the Dragon 1/200 Vulcan yesterday and have this idea for a Luftwaffe version.

I've decided already to put it in Norm 81 camo

As for the mission; I'm tossed between an ECM role that would let me use the "Black Buck" fit that came in the kit, or an anti shipping version in which I could rework the Blue Steel that also came with the kit into a jet propelled conventional anti ship missile on par with some of what the Soviets slung under their planes.

It will be a slight bit of scaleorama as the decals will be coming from a Revell 1/144 Tornado kit.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #17 on:** July 27, 2012, 04:07:29 AM »

Quote from: tc2324 on July 26, 2012, 11:17:00 PM

Last years USAF Vulcan.

Oh yeah!!! :)

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #18 on:** July 27, 2012, 12:38:50 PM »

Quote from: tc2324 on July 26, 2012, 11:17:00 PM

Last years USAF Vulcan.

SHINY! :)

Very nice.

kengeorge · « **Reply #19 on:** September 15, 2012, 05:56:13 AM »

Hi Guys,
Bit of a Bump(!)
A question,can anyone tell me the dimensions of the Vulcan's bomb bay?
According to Wikipedia the Vulcan's conventional maximum warload is 21x1000lb GP bombs. I have found out a British 1000lb GP is 72.5in (6ft 1.5in) (1841.5mm) long.
So how are the bombs stacked? in threes or what? if threes, then the bay length is 45ft. 42ft with 6in separation between fuses.
Surely not? An Avro Blue Steel is 35ft long and semi-recessed in the bomb bay.
So hopefully somebody can help me out.
Thanks,
Ken...

kitnut617 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 15, 2012, 07:05:15 AM »

The bomb 'clips' carry seven bombs each, four at top and three below. The Vulcan could carry three clips, the Victor on the other hand could carry five I think. The Vulcans bomb bay is governed by the front and rear wing spar which restricts what it could ultimately carry, measuring the Airfix kit the bay is 30'-0" long

Below is the rack which is shown upside down

kengeorge · « **Reply #21 on:** September 15, 2012, 07:46:34 AM »

Thanks Kit that helps a lot with what I got in mind.

Ken.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 15, 2012, 07:56:30 AM »

I've read somewhere that the RAF (or A&AEE to be more accurate) developed a rack that could carry ten bombs to fit in the Vulcan and Victor, but I can't find where I read that now. I also can't figure out how it was done either --

elmayerle · « **Reply #23 on:** September 17, 2012, 08:58:09 AM »

It probably requires some very careful shaping of the structure. A similar piece of structure for TSSAM was labelled the "Bullwinkle" because it resembled moose antlers.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 17, 2012, 09:25:39 PM »

I've got Signal Squadron's 'In Action' books on the B-52, B-1 & B-2. There's some photos in one of them (B-1 I think) that shows a set up where the rack arms are all set at about 45 degrees. It looks like as the bombs leave each rack the arm swings down to make a clear space for the bombs above, is that the TSSAM you've mentioned Evan ?


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