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Offline tc2324

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Project Pye
« on: October 10, 2012, 05:36:50 AM »
Forgive me whiffers, for I have sinned. It has been at 3 months since my last kitbash........, so it`s back to the madness......   >:( ;) :)

This build is for the What If GB over on BM.

Here are the kits.......





..... this is as far as I have got....



..... ok, it`s not very far.  :-[

Now then, whats going where??  :o >:D
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2012, 06:25:11 AM »
Keeping a close eye on this one...  8)

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2012, 07:40:00 AM »
I'm guessing a biplane Lanc with jets on the bottom wing.

Wouldn't be the first time today I was totally wrong...

Great to see you back at the modeling bench, tc!

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2012, 08:51:04 PM »
It`s good to be back whiffing Brian.  :)

Ok, so I have cut out the bits I needed from the Canberra wings, namely the engines and I`ll now look forward to the hours of sanding down.  :o

Here`s a concept picture of the engines in place......



..... and some of you will notice that this looks a lot like the Lanc jet testbed from days of old......



Well this was always going to be the basis for my build, but thats where it now ends and I will be changing areas of the fuselage.

The premise of this design is a pressurised high altitude tactical heavy bomber. (Think Tallboys).  ;)
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2012, 09:07:41 PM »
Oh dear!  I guess it's a bit late for these then ----  :( 

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2012, 04:06:37 AM »
Cool!  I have thought in the past that a developed Lanc' with jets and props could have been an emergency stop gap had the Luftwaffe jets actually started making an impact and the war had stretched into '46/'47.
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2012, 01:53:31 PM »
Like to say something profound.  But its not coming to me.
Cool  8),,, look forward to progress pictures.

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2012, 09:53:23 PM »
Had a bit of whiffers block on this one as the design and the way this was all going together in my head didn`t seem to work `in the flesh` once I started dry fitting areas together. So the best course of action was to put it down, have a rethink and get a few weird looks from the wife and kids as I sat in the dining room staring at the pieces.  :-[

Anyways, I now have a clear path I`m going to follow so the `surgery` has began. ;)



As you can see, as less `perspex` is going into this design as possible with both ends being solid. I felt that as this aircraft was going to fly into enemy airspace as high and as fast as possible, defensive weapons would be deleted.
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2012, 11:34:12 PM »
Had a bit of whiffers block on this one as the design and the way this was all going together in my head didn`t seem to work `in the flesh` once I started dry fitting areas together. So the best course of action was to put it down, have a rethink and get a few weird looks from the wife and kids as I sat in the dining room staring at the pieces.  :-[

I find this behaviour generally acceptable except when the A-HA moment hits and I run downstairs, grab my Dremel tool, bring it back to the table and start cutting plastic at 30,000 RPM putting shards of plastic in the kids dinner. They do not take likely to that.

Looking forward to seeing this project though to completion.

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2012, 03:26:39 AM »

... start cutting plastic at 30,000 RPM putting shards of plastic in the kids dinner. They do not take likely to that.


wimps!!!  Tell them to toughen up... ;)
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2012, 04:21:46 AM »
I find this behaviour generally acceptable except when the A-HA moment hits and I run downstairs, grab my Dremel tool, bring it back to the table and start cutting plastic at 30,000 RPM putting shards of plastic in the kids dinner. They do not take likely to that.

Looking forward to seeing this project though to completion.

  ;D

The joy of high-rpm motor tools.  The first and absolutely last time I used one of those things to sand a fuselage seam (big mistake by the way) I discovered that a sanding disc can and will successfully melt polystyrene at 38KRPM.  Fortunately it was that rather crappy Hs-129 kit from Esci that succumbed to the tool.  Still have to say that I was impressed by what that little tool accomplished in the span of a couple of seconds.  :)
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2012, 05:06:35 AM »
The joy of high-rpm motor tools.  The first and absolutely last time I used one of those things to sand a fuselage seam (big mistake by the way) I discovered that a sanding disc can and will successfully melt polystyrene at 38KRPM.  Fortunately it was that rather crappy Hs-129 kit from Esci that succumbed to the tool.  Still have to say that I was impressed by what that little tool accomplished in the span of a couple of seconds.  :)

I'm always impressed by the ease with which the attachments will cut through plastic, the table and into flesh without hesitation or warning. And the kickback when it's misshandled and it grabs into metal before flying out of my hand uncontrollably while still going at max rpm, always brings a moment of lightheaded excitement at the escape of yet another "near miss".

Perhaps we should start a thread on modelling mishaps .... there was the time when I set fire to myself with superglue ....

More importantly, this is looking like a great build !!!!

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2012, 05:10:02 AM »
Perhaps we should start a thread on modelling mishaps .... there was the time when I set fire to myself with superglue ....


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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2012, 04:36:47 PM »
One of the areas that was causing a bit of a drama was how I was going to intergrate the engines into the wings. Well..., I couldn`t. It would have been to risky cutting int the Lanc`s wings for it to go wrong. So as part of the rethink I went for hanging the BAEU`s under the wings on small pylons. Problem solved.

This in turn meant filling the holes in the side of the units so out came a couple of drop tanks from a Hunter and again, job done.



Since the photo was taken, filler has been applied and it will be at least 24 hours before I can go back to work on them.

I also removed the `V` shape fittings for the outer engines on the wings as the positioning of the jets will be midwing.

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2012, 06:38:16 PM »
I find this behaviour generally acceptable except when the A-HA moment hits and I run downstairs, grab my Dremel tool, bring it back to the table and start cutting plastic at 30,000 RPM putting shards of plastic in the kids dinner. They do not take likely to that.

Looking forward to seeing this project though to completion.

  ;D

The joy of high-rpm motor tools.  The first and absolutely last time I used one of those things to sand a fuselage seam (big mistake by the way) I discovered that a sanding disc can and will successfully melt polystyrene at 38KRPM.  Fortunately it was that rather crappy Hs-129 kit from Esci that succumbed to the tool.  Still have to say that I was impressed by what that little tool accomplished in the span of a couple of seconds.  :)

Some of the best advice I ever got was Mr Fontaine telling me that in most cases I was better off using a razor saw instead of a rotary tool. Maybe it's slower and a bit old-fashioned, but it's certainly safer and I find it much easier to make precise cuts and keep all my fingers intact.

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2012, 06:12:56 AM »
Finally got the BAEU`s more or less the shape I want them, just need to attach the pylon`s and add a bit more detail like the odd intake duct here and there, and then they are done and I can start scratch building this aircraft `special` weapon. The engines incorporate parts from a Canberra, Hunter and Meteor so you can`t argue that they are British built...... ;)



Also started on the cockpit section, but to be honest with what I have planned, your really not going to see much of it so this will probably be as far as I go with this.

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2012, 05:39:43 AM »
So going through the spares box tonight to find two decent solid engine pylons, I came up with zilch.

Then a sprue from the Airfix Vulcan caught my eye. It will need a little bit of re-shapeing, but I think it will work.



The other task tonight was cutting up the Frog Canberra and I somehow have to fit it into the Lanc`s front section. I feel a bit of a headache coming on...... :o

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2012, 08:50:45 AM »
Another project saved by left-over sprue!

Good thinking, tc!

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2012, 11:29:17 AM »
Like trimming on sides of engines to clean them up.   :)
Sprue pylons sure look promising.  :)

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2012, 03:53:55 PM »
Cheers guys.  :)

A rather `messy` picture of the new cockpit area as I add bits of plastic to rebuild the area so a less filler is used as possible.

Also had to readjust the pilots seat so it was a little higher and a bit more central.

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2012, 11:18:24 PM »
Looking good!! I have tried logging into brit modeler, but it won't let me. Says my password is incorrect even though I logged in just 24 hours before that!!  ::)
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2012, 04:22:33 AM »
This is going to be great!!!
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2012, 06:51:47 AM »
initially I thought a Canberra B1 bubble canopy would work but this does look better!

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2012, 05:30:34 PM »
Thanks guys.  :)

Raafif, went for the latter canopy as I wanted to give the aircraft the appearance of speed and a fighter style canopy seemed a logical choice.




Todays, or rather this weekends update, shows that the `battle damage` from kitbashing has now been repaired.





Still needs a bit of smoothing off in some places but I think it`s starting to take shape.
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2012, 10:41:53 PM »
Nice job blending the new cockpit area in.
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2012, 11:28:00 PM »
Agghhh! The dreaded off-set canopy!!!

Seriously though, that's a fine homage to the Canberra. I tip my hat to your thinking!

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2012, 04:35:37 AM »
Not too much done on what is now none as the `Manilow` bomber as family sickness has returned with the kids and SWMBO coming down with it.

Painted over the nose section that was filled with quite a bit of filler as this tends to highlight any blemishes I might of missed. All looks ok though. Canopy has been masked, wings and tail attached and now comes the u/c issue. My plan is to scratchbuild the u/c so it is similar to the way the u/c operates on a B-24 but retracts backwards instead of to the sides. This way it`s minimal cutting and just a couple of exterior outer doors fitted.

Well, thats the plan anyway........ ;)



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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2012, 05:24:15 AM »
Progress report on the Avro JP as follows.....,

Started to add some war colours to her this weekend. Some of you will notice I have opted for the grey/green topsides. Reason being is that according to my back story this machine was finished off in the camo night fighter colours of the day. More on that later.





Obviously have a few touch ups to do as which rends to happen with a rattle can spray job.

Now moving on to the `special` weapon this aircraft wil carry. The target I had in mind was the Wizernes V2 bunker in France. Now I know that the place was bombed using Tallboy`s, (or was it Grand Slams..?), but lets say Mr Wallace wanted a bunker busting type bomb.

So with that in mind I have hand picked the following items from an 1/48 F-14 kit, a 1/72 B-29 kit and an 1/72 Eurofighter.



Now then, lets see what I can make............ >:D
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2012, 07:27:53 AM »
Am here watching, waiting, and enjoying   :)

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2012, 01:16:39 PM »
coming along nicely -- the nose looks a bit bulbous, maybe a 6- or 8-gun pack would suit ??

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2012, 11:14:07 PM »
Really love the look of this.  :-*
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2012, 01:09:26 AM »
Let the madness continue........ >:D

Today`s work turned this aircraft from a very large glider into a jet aircraft for the first time. Also added the u/c, plus doors and completed a few touch ups.

My attention will now turn to the Lancer bomb.



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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2012, 07:32:17 PM »
Final picture update before the reveal. I think the decals so far applied have really brought this design to life.



Now for the bomb.  :)

Someone has kindly given me a Tallboy as this was what I was looking to use originally, but after spending a bit of time working on the `Lancer`, I think I`m going to proceed with that a save the Tallboy for my next 4 engined heavy whiff.  ;)

How the Lancer works wil be in the backstory, but it`s a nice comparrison shot to scale of the size.





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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2012, 08:49:28 PM »
Loving this! Looks like the love child of a Manchester and one of those high-altitude Wellingtons . . .

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2012, 08:21:50 PM »
Project Pye

By June 1939 Power Jets, (The company set up by Frank Whittle and partners), could barely afford to keep the lights on when yet another visit was made by Air Ministry personnel. This time Whittle was able to run the W.U. (Whittle Unit),  at high power for 20 minutes without any difficulty. One of the members of the team was the Director of Scientific Research, David Randall Pye, who walked out of the demonstration utterly convinced of the importance of the project. The Ministry agreed to buy the W.U. and then loan it back to them, injecting cash, and placed an order for a flyable version of the engine.

By the 12th June 1943, the prototype Meteor airframe was already complete and took to the air. Production versions of the engine started rolling off the line in October, first known as the W.2B/23, then the RB.23 (for Rolls-Barnoldswick), and eventually became known as the Rolls-Royce Welland.
With the Air Ministry satisfied that their first jet fighter was now going to successfully become operational, Whittle was approached to see if his engine designs could be applied to bomber aircraft.  Earlier, in 1940, Whittle had met with Stanley Hooker of Rolls-Royce, who in turn introduced Whittle to Rolls-Royce board member, Ernest Hives at a subsequent meeting. Hooker led the supercharger division at Rolls-Royce, which was naturally suited to jet engine work and it was this team that Whittle approached to see if it was feasible to produce an engine suited for bomber aircraft.

The Aircraft

In the meantime, Roy Chadwick and his team of designers at Avro were tasked with designing a bomber aircraft for the new jet powerplants. With Lancaster production in full swing in mid 1944, it was logical that time and money could be saved by re-designing the current airframe very much as they did with the Manchester in 1940. By July 1944 design work had started on the fuselage modifications and a basic specification was formalized. The aircraft would rely on height and speed to evade enemy interceptors. With a crew of three, the pilot would sit in a fighter style cockpit fitted with a bubble canopy with the bombardier and navigator sitting side by side at their stations below and aft of the pilot. All would be sealed in a pressurized forward compartment, all defensive armament was removed to increase power to weight ratio`s and aiming the bomb/s would be done via an optical periscope device fitted under the nose of the aircraft. The main undercarriage was also modified so that it lifted straight up into the deepest recess of the main wing. One third of the tyre would be exposed to the slipstream, very much like the Boeing B-17`s and would be filled with the inert gas nitrogen.



Coincidentally, it was at a meeting with Avro in late June 1944 while discussing final details for his famous Grand Slam bomb, that Barnes Wallis was informed of the proposed jet bomber and soon enquired if he could attend the meeting between the project teams in London on the 14th August 1944.

It was during this meeting between Whittle, Rolls Royce, Avro and Wallis that the project acquired a name, Pye. This was Whittle`s idea to honour the man, who back in 1939, had convinced the Air Ministry to back the development of the W.U.

Avro had also given their design a name, although it was quite lacking from imagination, the Lancaster JPX. The JPX standing for Jet Propulsion eXperimental.

The Bomb

Wallis also had something to bring to the table. While the Tallboy and Grand Slam bombs had not been designed to directly penetrate concrete roofs, he was aware during trials that they tended to detonate prematurely or break up.  Nonetheless they were still far more effective than any existing bomb but Wallis had been working on a weapon that would penetrate hard targets and felt that this new aircraft could be the ideal delivery system. Named the Lancer, Wallis had based his design on a `Phillips Head and screw` theory as he put it. The head of the weapon was angled, almost like a Philips head screwdriver, while further down the body of the weapon grooves had been installed very much like a screw. One second after release, fourteen small fins would deploy turning the bomb and creating a stabilizing spin at a very high rate of rpm. The idea being, that once the weapon had achieved penetration of the target, it would act like a screw and bore through before detonating. That was the theory anyway. Weighing in at 25,000 lb it was by far the heaviest bomb yet conceived and a working model would be ready before the end of the year.


 
The Engine

Rolls-Royce had started to develop the RB.41 Nene centrifugal compressor turbojet engine and put this forward for the project. The Nene was essentially an enlarged version of the Rolls-Royce Derwent with the minimal changes needed to deliver 5,000 lbf, making it the most powerful engine of its era. The Nene was Rolls-Royce's third jet engine to enter production, designed and built in an astonishingly short five-month period in 1944, first running on 27th October 1944. It was named after the River Nene in keeping with the company's tradition of naming its jet engines after rivers.



Epilogue

The prototype Lancaster JPX took to the air on it`s maiden flight from RAF Ringway on the 5th January 1945. After a short flight of 25 minutes to check systems the aircraft landed safely with the test aircrew commenting on how well all had gone and the smoothness of the flight. Over the next two months the aircraft flew on a number of test flights culminating in it setting a new, if unofficial, altitude record of 61,258 feet. (This would not be beaten, officially, for another eight years). With both engines generating around 10,000 lbf, the maximum speed recorded was 389mph at 40,000 feet. Normal cruising speed at this altitude was put at around 330mph and while not as dynamic as hoped, this and the operating altitude made the JPX almost untouchable to the Luftwaffe`s fighters.

On the 9th test flight the aircraft was loaded with Wallis`s new Lancer bomb for the first time. Both aircraft and bomb had been given a `gloss` look to reduce any effects of drag. That afternoon the first test drop of the weapon took place from the rather `low` altitude of 30,000 feet. Only two words were noted on Wallis`s note book page, `it works`. A further three more test drops took place at higher altitudes, however the results of these drops cannot be found in official records other than a comment with regards to the performance drop off of about 50mph once fully loaded.

Like many British projects to come, Project Pye is the `unknown` first to be cancelled. With the war in Europe coming to a climax and word reaching the British government of a new US `super weapon` to be used in the Pacific against the Japanese shortly, budgets were now being looked at and attention to the war debt now seemed to take priority within Parliaments walls. Project Pye was cancelled on the 3rd May 1945.



All was not lost however, with Avro proceeding with the design, refining it and then flying the Avro 691 Lancastrian. Rolls Royce’s Nene engine went on to power the Hawker Sea Hawk and the Supermarine Attacker and infamously the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15. In the US it was built under license as the Pratt & Whitney J42, and it powered the Grumman F9F Panther. The only real casualty of the project was the Lancer bomb, which never saw action and was soon superseded by the Atomic era.





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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2012, 02:38:47 AM »
Pleasant model :-*

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2012, 03:26:54 AM »
Pleasant model :-*

You echo my thoughts perfectly, mon ami!

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2012, 03:35:45 AM »
Very nice finish with the back story.  Just a bit disappointed that all of that work that you put into the bomb has to remain in the shadows.  Would have enjoyed seeing the finished bomb next to your aircraft before it was hidden away. 
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2012, 04:19:38 AM »
 :)
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2012, 05:17:50 AM »
Super Duper love it  :-*
Especially like builds I would not have thought of, but think I shold have thought of.
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2012, 12:46:18 AM »
Most excellent!
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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2012, 01:29:20 AM »
This came out great! The ground shots looking up are appropriately menacing!

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2012, 04:30:29 PM »
Thank you all for the kind comments and I`m glad the story has met with approval.  :)

Although it is not exactly a long `war and peace` type story, it did actually take almost as long as the model to create as I had to put all my ideas into some sort of order that made sense.
 
Right, I`ve got 4 merlins spare...., what to do, what to do...... ? >:D
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Offline Dr. YoKai

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2012, 02:14:38 AM »
 Very nicely executed. The front end reminds me reminds me of the Vickers Windsor-easily one of
 my favorite heavys.

Offline ed s

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2012, 08:30:49 AM »
This is coming along nicely. It's interesting how different the airframe looks cleaned up, without turrets, guns, props, etc.

Ed

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2012, 10:13:53 PM »
Thanks for the kind comments guys.  :)

Just to finish off this one I got round to taking some pics outside at the old RAF Fairlop site, (with the usual funny looks from the dog walkers...), and then added a few effects.

Here`s the results.







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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2012, 02:17:18 AM »
Beautifully done piece of work there.  I do appreciate how you used the outboard engine locations and avoided having the exhausts impinge on the tail surfaces (that generally leads to all sorts of headaches).  The back story and bomb are plausible, too.  Finally, that last set of pictures was just superb in catching the feel of period picture.

Bravo!!!

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Re: Project Pye
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2012, 02:36:03 AM »
 :)
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