Author Topic: He111 ideas and inspiration (Read 27485 times)

GTX_Admin · « **on:** December 30, 2011, 11:51:07 AM »

Hi folks,

A thread for your He111 ideas and inspiration.

Here's one to start you off:

A float plane to operate from Fjords or the Med' perhaps? Probably needs bigger floats though.

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2011, 11:51:36 AM »

A radial engined version?

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #2 on:** December 30, 2011, 11:52:10 AM »

Maybe in the '60s, the Spanish decide to re-engine their CASA 2.111Bs with turboprops to create CASA 2.111Ts:

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2011, 11:53:34 AM »

Jet engine testbed:

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #4 on:** December 30, 2011, 11:55:18 AM »

He-111 tank buster with 75mm cannon + different engines:

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #5 on:** December 30, 2011, 11:55:55 AM »

In 1941, the Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor was joined in the anti-shipping role by the He-211 "Albatros":

Later on some were fitted with radar and anti-shipping missiles:

And just for comparison - a standard He-111H-6:

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #6 on:** December 30, 2011, 11:57:02 AM »

If the Do-217 could be a night fighter, why not the He-111:

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #7 on:** December 30, 2011, 11:58:05 AM »

Trimotor:

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #8 on:** December 30, 2011, 11:59:34 AM »

He-111. ala He-119 style:

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:01:04 PM »

or alternatively, they try this as a way of increasing the range of the Me-109:

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #10 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:02:06 PM »

AWACS anyone?

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #11 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:03:08 PM »

How about a pusher variant - with tricycle undercarriage and heavy anti-shipping cannon:

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #12 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:04:07 PM »

How about a variant with eight 20 mm MG 151/20 E cannons - two in pods under each wing and two scabbed onto either side of the cockpit:

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #13 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:07:14 PM »

Swept wing jet He-111 concept:

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #14 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:09:08 PM »

Totally throwing practicality out the window... :yarr::

Ok, my head is spinning now.

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #15 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:10:55 PM »

Yep, we're totally gone now... :dizzy:

Regards,

Greg

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #16 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:11:31 PM »

How about a turboprop variant:

Regards,

Greg

finsrin · « **Reply #17 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:17:46 PM »

Fabulous upon Fabulous variants. AWACS for vectoring fighters to those nasty Yankee bombers. Last five or so are super inspiring for kind of bashing I like to do.
Think Boeing or Lockheed might use your concepts

finsrin · « **Reply #18 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:20:56 PM »

WOW - now you posted even more to ponder.

Bill

Maverick · « **Reply #19 on:** December 30, 2011, 07:56:17 PM »

Love the FSW variant.

Regards,

John

sequoiaranger · « **Reply #20 on:** January 01, 2012, 01:34:11 AM »

>In 1941, the Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor was joined in the anti-shipping role by the He-211 "Albatros":<

Possibly refering to my "He-211 Albatros" from way back??

This beast was made from TWO He-111Z models to get the straight wing/engine sections, an Airmodel vac-formed early nose and wingtips, and an Airfix top turret. She carries two torpedoes. *MY* story goes that a kette of Albatros' met the wounded Bismarck way out at sea, drove off the Ark Royal's Swordfish (acting as long-range fighters), and put torpedoes into KGV and Rodney, allowing the Biz to escape destruction and return to Brest.

I have a plan to "Phoenix" this model, using a Lindberg (1/64 approx) He-111 for a larger and longer fuselage than the "standard" He-111. I may decline the re-build, as this Albatros is one of my all-time favorite models (and that of my "fans").

Stargazer2006 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 03, 2012, 07:23:05 PM »

The mind boggles...

My personal favorites are the night fighter (looks so natural!) and the swing-wing variant.

Stargazer2006 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 03, 2012, 09:28:10 PM »

May I make a suggestion? A biplane He 111... Engines would be halfway between the two wings, the tail would be a twin-fin one, and the nose would be extended further forward. I have only managed to do a top view so far, side and especially front views are awfully difficult to do!!

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #23 on:** January 03, 2012, 09:41:23 PM »

All excellent ideas Geoff.

sequoiaranger · « **Reply #24 on:** January 04, 2012, 02:11:06 AM »

I like the idea of a He-111 biplane. Maybe along the lines of the DH Dragon Rapide shown here?

Most likely the thick and broad wings would have been thinned. Despite biplane bombers like the Handley-Page Heyford, trying to lift heavy weight with biplanes is very hard on the plane not securely fastened to the fuselage. The much-larger Heyford could only lift some 4,000 pounds max. The monoplane He-111 could lift more than that.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #25 on:** January 04, 2012, 03:03:58 AM »

A biplane is one idea I certainly hadn't considered...great one!

sequoiaranger · « **Reply #26 on:** February 09, 2012, 12:46:14 AM »

Here is another He-111 derivative. It's the ancient Faller 1/100 He-111, made into a fictional 1/72 high-altitude, jetstream-riding fighter (ex-German He-121) for Japan, with ultra-long wings, X-16 turbocharged engine (cooling and piping a la Fw-190 V18), and pressure cockpit (a turned-around top-gunner's perspex). Kinda reminds me of the He-119 with the big fan up front.

Front view (no extra charge for "hand" in the picture):

No pic, but I also took a 1/144 He-111 and made a 1/72 single-engined "fighter trainer" out of it. Argus engine, open cockpit, "trousered" undercarriage (where the engine nacelles went) with a single gun in each "trouser". I do love the look/shape of the He-111!

raafif · « **Reply #27 on:** February 18, 2012, 06:05:50 AM »

Still looking for photos of the real KG-55's low-level Train-Buster version .....

wondering what Greg can come up with $:-\$

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #28 on:** February 18, 2012, 08:48:32 AM »

Quote from: raafif on February 18, 2012, 06:05:50 AM

Still looking for photos of the real KG-55's low-level Train-Buster version .....

wondering what Greg can come up with $:-\$

Is that the one with about 6 20mm cannon in the nose - I am sure I have seen a photo of that recently.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #29 on:** February 18, 2012, 09:24:29 AM »

I knew I had seen it:

Bill Cronk (who provided the photo) is doing a model of this over on Hyperscale.

Next challenge please.

Regards,

Greg

finsrin · « **Reply #30 on:** February 18, 2012, 11:27:32 AM »

From Albatross to swept to delta to variable sweep wings, I be overwhelmed $:-\$

Bill

raafif · « **Reply #31 on:** February 19, 2012, 10:17:14 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 18, 2012, 09:24:29 AM

Nope, research on another forum indicates that it apparently is not KG-55 but another squadron in Russia (Smolensk) -- may have been a KG-55 machine at one time tho.

I want MORE & BIGGER guns !!

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #32 on:** February 19, 2012, 11:15:12 AM »

Quote from: raafif on February 19, 2012, 10:17:14 AM

Nope, research on another forum indicates that it apparently is not KG-55 but another squadron in Russia (Smolensk) -- may have been a KG-55 machine at one time tho.

I want MORE & BIGGER guns !!

Jease! Tough audience! I'm going to take "may have been a KG-55 machine at one time tho." as a partial victory then!

As for bigger guns, try my tank buster at Reply#4 of this thread then.

Regards,

Greg

raafif · « **Reply #33 on:** February 20, 2012, 06:48:36 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 19, 2012, 11:15:12 AM

As for bigger guns, try my tank buster at Reply#4 of this thread then.

well ... it's bigger but where's the MORE ?

Love the BMW engines on it, Greg, don't often see them in whifs.

elmayerle · « **Reply #34 on:** February 20, 2012, 07:28:15 AM »

Just a thought, how about using the earlier "stepped" nose and making it a "gun nose" like that fitted to B-25's and A-26's.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #35 on:** February 20, 2012, 02:52:37 PM »

Quote from: elmayerle on February 20, 2012, 07:28:15 AM

Just a thought, how about using the earlier "stepped" nose and making it a "gun nose" like that fitted to B-25's and A-26's.

A bit like the night fighter at Reply # 6?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #36 on:** February 20, 2012, 02:56:04 PM »

Quote from: raafif on February 20, 2012, 06:48:36 AM

Love the BMW engines on it, Greg, don't often see them in whifs.

Actually that particular one has Jumo 213s on it.

ChernayaAkula · « **Reply #37 on:** February 20, 2012, 04:19:09 PM »

The biplane He 111 by Stargazer has me intrigued!

Also diggin' the CASA 2.111 with turboprops.

Just the thing for an African or South American storyline.
Semi-related: Thought about a Ju 88 with the RR Darts form a Fokker Friendship a couple of weeks ago. Flown by mercs for an African storyline (much like the Biafran Invaders). Maybe donated/sold French-built ones?

elmayerle · « **Reply #38 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:36:54 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on February 20, 2012, 02:52:37 PM

Quote from: elmayerle on February 20, 2012, 07:28:15 AM
Just a thought, how about using the earlier "stepped" nose and making it a "gun nose" like that fitted to B-25's and A-26's.

A bit like the night fighter at Reply # 6?

Yep, though with a heavier armament in the nose and without the AI radar.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #39 on:** May 06, 2012, 05:11:29 AM »

Random thought: Do a post war (or even during war) unarmed He-111H-22 but with the standard V-1 replaced with a manned Fieseler Fi 103 Reichenberg IV. This could be in something like a bright red scheme as a testbed or even speed record bird. I'm thinking of something akin to a German B-29/X-1 combo.

raafif · « **Reply #40 on:** May 06, 2012, 08:30:00 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on May 06, 2012, 05:11:29 AM

post-war unarmed He-111H-22 but with the standard V-1 replaced with a manned Fieseler Fi 103 Reichenberg IV. This could be in something like a bright red scheme

Postal Service fast delivery ? Ex-captured aircraft sold to Royal Mail - express parcel-post London to Edinburgh with air drop-off over Birmingham ??

Stargazer2006 · « **Reply #41 on:** May 06, 2012, 09:23:42 AM »

"Just for the fun of it, just for a laugh..."

Daryl J. · « **Reply #42 on:** May 29, 2012, 06:17:42 AM »

Ok....take the H-22, but instead have it CASA built and sporting a pair of Allison V-1710's.
USAF missile test bed.

Weaver · « **Reply #43 on:** May 30, 2012, 12:31:15 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on December 30, 2011, 11:58:05 AM

Trimotor:

Regards,

Greg

I like this one - doable too, since Roden make various kits of the normal-nosed -A, -B, -C and -E versions. Their -B is in Spanish Nationalist colours, so you might imagine them trying to get more performance out hte airframe whilst on the wrong side of a post-war embargo on more advanced types...

sequoiaranger · « **Reply #44 on:** June 04, 2012, 06:28:54 AM »

Then here is the He-61 "Culebra", a 1/144 He-111 made into a 1/72 fighter-trainer with Argus engine, and guns and wheel pants where the twin engines would have been.

raafif · « **Reply #45 on:** June 04, 2012, 06:54:20 AM »

Quote from: Weaver on May 30, 2012, 12:31:15 AM

Quote from: GTX_Admin on December 30, 2011, 11:58:05 AM

I like this one - doable too, since Roden make various kits

from what I hear those early He-111s of Roden's have appalling fit

so whiffing to another aircraft entirely is probably best.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #46 on:** June 04, 2012, 10:16:34 PM »

Nice.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #47 on:** December 02, 2013, 04:24:01 AM »

Interesting, possibly inspiring photo:

kitnut617 · « **Reply #48 on:** December 17, 2014, 02:44:08 AM »

There's this up for grabs on eBay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Exceptional-He-111Z-Zwilling-Conversion-1-48-cutting-edge-/291325113990?pt=FR_YO_JeuxJouets_MaquettesModelisme&hash=item43d4547686#ht_485wt_1190

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #49 on:** December 18, 2014, 04:36:35 AM »

Quote from: kitnut617 on December 17, 2014, 02:44:08 AM

There's this up for grabs on eBay

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Exceptional-He-111Z-Zwilling-Conversion-1-48-cutting-edge-/291325113990?pt=FR_YO_JeuxJouets_MaquettesModelisme&hash=item43d4547686#ht_485wt_1190

Got one already...

finsrin · « **Reply #50 on:** December 18, 2014, 07:30:42 AM »

A neat to kitbash one day idea is.
1/32 He111 fuselage with some sort of large 1/72 wings plus appropriate fuselage mods to become 1/72 heavy bomber.

elmayerle · « **Reply #51 on:** December 18, 2014, 10:36:26 AM »

Quote from: finsrin on December 18, 2014, 07:30:42 AM

A neat to kitbash one day idea is.
1/32 He111 fuselage with some sort of large 1/72 wings plus appropriate fuselage mods to become 1/72 heavy bomber.

Stretch the existing wings with a constant chord and airfoil section on each side mounting another engine (yielding a 4-engined heavy bomber)? Or if you want a really heavy bomber, the middle wing of a He111Z on each side with the outboard wing, outboard of the engines, of a standard He111.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #52 on:** December 18, 2014, 12:17:00 PM »

Or combine with a 1/48 Cutting Edge He 111D/E Conversion and turn into a twin fuselage airliner...

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #53 on:** August 14, 2015, 02:11:46 AM »

Some interesting real world He111s:

With 3 BV 246 Hagelkorn:

Big snow skids:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #54 on:** September 07, 2020, 02:55:04 AM »

Supposedly taken recently somewhere in Russia (click to see bigger versions):

finsrin · « **Reply #55 on:** September 07, 2020, 03:22:27 AM »

Gee,,, what a find !
Very interesting.

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #56 on:** May 18, 2021, 01:07:52 PM »

What if a liner derived from CASA C.2111?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #57 on:** May 19, 2021, 03:14:08 AM »

In a similar vein (just ignore the guns):

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #58 on:** May 22, 2021, 03:45:30 AM »

Errr...there any He111 left in there?

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #59 on:** May 22, 2021, 07:08:34 AM »

^^^^^

Sorry! Already fixed.

Geoff · « **Reply #60 on:** May 22, 2021, 11:32:43 PM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on May 22, 2021, 03:45:30 AM

Errr...there any He111 left in there?

Wings

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #61 on:** May 23, 2021, 11:06:15 AM »

^^^^^
Sorry. I posted something that was not related with He-111. So, I deleted my post.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #62 on:** February 22, 2022, 01:35:03 AM »

In a different universe:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #63 on:** February 09, 2023, 03:03:45 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on December 30, 2011, 11:57:02 AM

If the Do-217 could be a night fighter, why not the He-111:

Regards,

Greg

Not the same but still interesting:

killnoizer · « **Reply #64 on:** February 09, 2023, 06:11:02 AM »

I am also a bit into He111 thinking, if a kit comes crossing my way maybe , but just a question:
are the early version of the Glas nose made symetric and not like the later versions ?

Old Wombat · « **Reply #65 on:** February 09, 2023, 07:55:14 AM »

They seem to have missed the one firing forward from the belly gunner's bulge/pod/blister.

apophenia · « **Reply #66 on:** February 09, 2023, 10:45:38 AM »

Quote from: killnoizer on February 09, 2023, 06:11:02 AM

I am also a bit into He111 thinking, if a kit comes crossing my way maybe , but just a question:
are the early version of the Glas nose made symetric and not like the later versions ?

The forward glazing of the He 111 V7 and V8 - prototypes for the He 111P - were noticeably different from the glazing on production models. But, AFAIK, the asymmetry existed from the outset.

Geoff · « **Reply #67 on:** February 09, 2023, 08:24:46 PM »

In the late 1930's the Irish Air Corps looked at all the twin-engined German planes as they wanted an MP plane which could also act as a troop transport.
They ended up with the Anson 1 but I always thought a He-111 would have been a more logical choice.

Story · « **Reply #68 on:** February 09, 2023, 11:01:05 PM »

The nose cannon in Bertram's plane looks larger-than-2cm. When I went looking for documentation, I found this from a gaming video.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #69 on:** February 10, 2023, 02:31:27 AM »

Quote from: Geoff on February 09, 2023, 08:24:46 PM

In the late 1930's the Irish Air Corps looked at all the twin-engined German planes as they wanted an MP plane which could also act as a troop transport.
They ended up with the Anson 1 but I always thought a He-111 would have been a more logical choice.

An Irish He111 could prove an interesting build

Dr. YoKai · « **Reply #70 on:** February 19, 2023, 01:11:46 AM »

In the trailer for the most recent Indiana Jones movie, there appears to be a twin-tailed He 111. I did not notice the second gun blister atop the fuselage the first time...

Twin tail He 111 by VileDr.Yo, on Flickr

The whole trailer- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkvqiddPqCE