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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2015, 10:28:30 AM »
This build is sooooo interesting to follow :)

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2015, 12:13:31 PM »
I almost bought a PT-109 yesterday after reading this.

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2015, 01:07:27 PM »
I am thinking of narrowing the front face of the #1 bulkhead and seeing what that does to the overall shape of the superstructure.

Try it in card 1st, just to see how you like it. Then use the card as a template for the styrene if you decide to go for it. ;)
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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2015, 02:02:57 PM »
I almost bought a PT-109 yesterday after reading this.

Love this scale-o-rama bash to 1/35.  I bash kits into 1/72.  Find this just as interesting.
FYI in case someone needs bit more room doing similar build: using Lindberg 1/64 PT boat provides almost 5ft more length as 1/35.

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2015, 08:51:23 AM »
That extra 5 scale feet would be nice - I could probably add another weapon station with that.  Oh,well.

Here's a mock up of the changes to the forward structure.  I'm liking the look alot more than the original idea.







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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2015, 09:09:17 AM »
I like the forward structure, but the front turret is going to block much of the driver's view. Plus that turret's going to be heavy and well forward of the CG. Can you swap the two turrets?

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2015, 11:59:39 AM »
The CG issue depends on where the engines are placed; if they're towards the stern a bit, they plus the mass of the smaller turret should be enough of a balance.
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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2015, 12:24:42 PM »
That looks great! Just needs a bridge looking over the forward turret.

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2015, 09:09:12 PM »
In my head, the engines are pretty far aft, probably under the aft turret to the stern, so hopefully that would aid in balancing out the boat.  I just really like the look of it with the LAV turret on the front.

I really wanted to add a TOW/Hellfire system, but there just isn't the room on this hull, guess I'll save that for the 1/35 Elco I hope to someday acquire.

That looks great! Just needs a bridge looking over the forward turret.

I have intentions of adding a flying bridge on top of the forward structure for better visibility during normal operation, but the all of the crew would be under armor for the "interesting" parts of the mission profile. I also need to add a mast and an E/O system along with nav radar/radio antennas.

I'm thinking I'll have to build a trailer for this one, for display purposes.  But first, I have to complete this.

Please keep the comments coming, I really do appreciate them.

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2015, 02:52:55 AM »
If you need a RWS (with optics) the AFV M151 kit is great: http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/afvclub/afv35157.html

Not only do you get a really nice, easily modified RWS with your choice of a very well done M2 and Mk.19  but you also get a ton of spare Stryker parts, including flat hatches. The spare parts have been really handy in other builds.

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2015, 05:59:00 AM »
Nice work.  Looks like an interesting build

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2015, 09:11:04 AM »
Not trying to make too much work for you (well, maybe a little ;) ) but small boats are extremely space limited & having two bridges is wasteful.

So, how about armoured shutters around the bridge? ???

That way the bridge is always the bridge but has a better view when people aren't shooting at you. :o

When the shutters are closed you could either use a remote sensor suite or the old fashioned slits in the armour system ... or both.


(Note: Remote sensor suite includes the simple concept of periscopes, or the complex concepts of thermal/IR/visible spectrum cameras & VR displays, depending on how modern you're going.)
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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2015, 09:05:11 PM »
Sure, sure, "it's for my own good." I'm starting to realize how limited this hull is, space-wise.  Too many ideas, not enough room for them all...

Here's what I was thinking for my flying bridge - a large, armored hatch on the roof with the basic controls in armored, recessed boxes and a spray shield/windscreen around it.  I don't want it to get too tall, but I do need to give the pilot/driver better forward visibility over the turret. 

For sensors, I'm thinking of a few armor-type periscopes and an E/O ball, since you'd need a way to see if/when the E/O gets shot up...

I'm  thinking it has a crew of 6 - pilot, navigator, engineer/mechanic and the 3 weapons operators.

I had pondered bar/slat armor, but I think that's a bridge too far for this build.

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2015, 09:56:53 PM »
I know turrets look cool but how about RCWS such as Typhoon and or Mini Typhoon with Javelin or Spike.  Maybe a box of Spike ER NLOS as well, RBS 70 or Stinger, even an Avenger turret.

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2015, 01:42:08 AM »
I know turrets look cool but how about RCWS such as Typhoon and or Mini Typhoon with Javelin or Spike.  Maybe a box of Spike ER NLOS as well, RBS 70 or Stinger, even an Avenger turret.

I'm strongly considering picking up another 1/72 Elco and making it all remote weapons, maybe a small VLS cell for NLOS-type missiles and a 4 man crew compartment.  The current one is more of a brute, the next will be the sleek, fast one?

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2015, 03:07:18 AM »
Sure, sure, "it's for my own good." I'm starting to realize how limited this hull is, space-wise.  Too many ideas, not enough room for them all...


Welcome to the joyous world of boat/ship design and the problems inherent in 'scaling' a given design.  ;D

Halving the external dimensions results in a vessel with only 1/8th the original volume, doubling has the reverse result.  ;D

If you are thinking that your engines are right aft, are you considering using V-drives or Z-drives for the propellers?


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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2015, 06:01:10 AM »
If you are thinking that your engines are right aft, are you considering using V-drives or Z-drives for the propellers?

A little google-fu tells me that I will be using z-drives for my build.  Learning has occurred.  Awesome!

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2015, 07:36:27 AM »
Similar in size.  I built LCO in 1/72.  Same kinda build could be done 1/35.
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=3922.msg61077#msg61077

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2015, 09:27:29 AM »
Sure, sure, "it's for my own good." I'm starting to realize how limited this hull is, space-wise.  Too many ideas, not enough room for them all...

Ha! Check the measurements for a 1/72nd S-boat converted to a 1/35th PBR - long & very, very skinny! :-\

That's one of the hulls I'm working with. My answer is to widen it ... I think ... somehow ... because I want to fit it with a Vulcan ADS turret (from a M-113) & a quad-50 turret, too.
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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2015, 09:43:17 AM »
Vulcan and quad 50? That's a lot of hurt you'll be bringing. Need another boat just for ammo.

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2015, 10:13:04 AM »
Sure, sure, "it's for my own good." I'm starting to realize how limited this hull is, space-wise.  Too many ideas, not enough room for them all...


Ha! Check the measurements for a 1/72nd S-boat converted to a 1/35th PBR - long & very, very skinny! :-\

That's one of the hulls I'm working with. My answer is to widen it ... I think ... somehow ... because I want to fit it with a Vulcan ADS turret (from a M-113) & a quad-50 turret, too.


Airfix or Revell kit?

My first inclination would be to go to a semi-Sea Sled configuration, or split-hull catamaran.

http://spoonercentral.com/knappseasleds/sled.html

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2015, 12:15:12 PM »
Airfix &, yep, that was my 2nd idea. :)
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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2015, 09:30:57 PM »
That Sea Sled is a pretty neat configuration.  Lots of possibilities there.

Not to derail my own topic, but I was pondering future builds on my morning dog walk - instead of getting another Elco, I'm thinking of acquiring one of the 1/144 scale LCAC kits from Trumpeter and scaling it up to a 1/35 armed hovercraft.  This one would have the remote weapon stations and VLS cells.  It could be an escort for the big LCACs as they land the heavy equipment or transit still contested waters from ship to shore.

Back to the current project - I hope to get a little bit more done over the weekend and will post photos.  I also have begun preliminary planning for the trailer - I think I have all the needed parts in my spares and styrene shape stockpiles. 

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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2015, 11:51:24 PM »
Trailer like this?








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Re: 1/35 Riverine Assault Craft
« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2015, 12:51:49 AM »
No, nothing quite that impressive, though I do have a partially constructed Dragon Wagon in the stash and want to add the M1070 HETS at some point.  I'm thinking just a bigger version of a standard boat trailer.  Then I'd just need an MTVR to tow it.  It never ends, does it?

Those photos are awesome.  I'd buy a kit of just about any/all of them if they were available in 1) plastic, and 2) 1/35 scale.