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Modelling => Completed GBs => Group and Themed Builds => "Automatons on Parade" Uninhabited/autonomous vehicles GB => Topic started by: Caveman on January 14, 2023, 06:13:31 AM

Title: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 14, 2023, 06:13:31 AM
Whilst perusing secretprojects.co.uk I found this interesting little thread: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/european-rpv-and-uav-projects-from-the-70s.7281/ (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/european-rpv-and-uav-projects-from-the-70s.7281/)

And in it was this little 3 view:

(https://i.imgur.com/IB2MWfP.jpg)

It is a project for a strike UAV from West Germany from the 1970s. I thought it looked neat and so I had a go at CAD'ing it up.

(https://i.imgur.com/r06veIA.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Lyc4eq4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7tHJMh3.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/6Oxg1Kq.jpg)

At 1/72 it is just about small enough to fit on my resin printer whole (this is not the best orientation to print things). Ill have a go at printing it and seeing if I can paint it up as something for the Luftwaffe ~late 1970s.

There's a load of variations on this theme in the thread linked above, and I may try some of them too.
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Kerick on January 14, 2023, 09:50:28 AM
Looks like it was meant to drop bombs and return to base. Not a suicide drone. Interesting.
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: ChernayaAkula on January 14, 2023, 11:09:09 AM
Super interesting!  :smiley:

Wonder how a pair of these would look hanging from the wings of a Transall.... 8)
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 14, 2023, 11:07:20 PM
Looks like it was meant to drop bombs and return to base. Not a suicide drone. Interesting.

Yeah, thats my interpretation. Im tempted to try to model the landing gear too.

Super interesting!  :smiley:

Wonder how a pair of these would look hanging from the wings of a Transall.... 8)

Ah, similar to a herc with some BQM-34s?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/DC-130A_VC-3_with_BQM-34S_in_flight_1976.JPEG/640px-DC-130A_VC-3_with_BQM-34S_in_flight_1976.JPEG)
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Dr. YoKai on January 15, 2023, 01:33:26 AM
Looks promising-hope the printing goes smoothly.
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 15, 2023, 01:52:03 AM
 :smiley:
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 15, 2023, 01:53:11 AM
Wonder how a pair of these would look hanging from the wings of a Transall.... 8)

My thoughts exactly!! :smiley:
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: LemonJello on January 15, 2023, 03:06:21 AM
That's an intriguing concept. 

Looking forward to seeing your 3D print results.
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: ChernayaAkula on January 15, 2023, 03:56:42 AM
Wonder how a pair of these would look hanging from the wings of a Transall.... 8)
Ah, similar to a herc with some BQM-34s?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/DC-130A_VC-3_with_BQM-34S_in_flight_1976.JPEG/640px-DC-130A_VC-3_with_BQM-34S_in_flight_1976.JPEG)

Exactly what I was thinking about!   :smiley:
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 15, 2023, 05:54:41 AM
Looks promising-hope the printing goes smoothly.

That's an intriguing concept. 

Looking forward to seeing your 3D print results.

Thanks both, me too!

I've modelled up some landing gear. Its a bit crude but I am dealing with components that are measured in fractions of a mm! I will not be surprised if it doesn't come out and I have to just go with the gear up version.

(https://i.imgur.com/Hltt2LW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Jw6McH6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3XGXDqB.jpg)
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Frank3k on January 15, 2023, 10:27:21 AM
Looks good!

You could try printing the main gear (sans wheel) vertically (with the door) and use the retraction arm as a support. Maybe some light supports on bottom of the gear door. The doors can probably be 0.5-0.75mm thick

Are you going to print the body as a single piece? I'm trying to visualize the easiest ways to print this; the bottom looks fairly flat, so that can be a single part, with the supports for both the upper and lower halves on the inside. This would preserve panel details and surface quality.

Supporting the wings and tail surfaces will be tough, since they're going to be thin... unless you want to print them vertically.
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 15, 2023, 11:54:18 PM
Cheers, I thought I might get away with the gearless version as a oner. But really I expect to split the aircraft into parts. One of the best ways I've found of doing it is to split it down the middle. This gives me a left and right half with the centreline on the build plate (so nice and flat). That means I can print the wings vertically with a reasonably stable base. The landing gear, weapons and probably the engine nacelle will be printed separately.
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: andys on January 16, 2023, 06:21:13 AM
The engine position reminds me of something Germanic and unmanned and a little bit... well... V-1-ish...  ;)
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 19, 2023, 06:30:34 AM
A little play with splitting the model. Trying for minimum number of parts. I've hollowed out the rear fuselage but left the nose solid. I'm hoping this will help keep it on its nose gear. Test print when the weather is warm enough for the resin...

(https://i.imgur.com/Cqrz3Rc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DTw2uxy.jpg)
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 19, 2023, 06:37:50 AM
Colour scheme wise, Im thinking a simplified version of Norm 72. With only one of the splinter colours. Im erring on the side of the brown/green rather than the grey. I might put a hi viz band around the engine nacelle too :)

(https://images.noz-mhn.de/img/22601806/crop/cbase_4_3-w1200/1842445026/1680878029/e866cc6ae73341eda49c2543d5ec0e36.jpg)
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Kerick on January 19, 2023, 09:15:33 AM
A little play with splitting the model. Trying for minimum number of parts. I've hollowed out the rear fuselage but left the nose solid. I'm hoping this will help keep it on its nose gear. Test print when the weather is warm enough for the resin...

(https://i.imgur.com/Cqrz3Rc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DTw2uxy.jpg)

That engine pod looks like it would be perfect for my next Skyfox type whif of an F-86. Hmmmmm…..
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Frank3k on January 19, 2023, 02:31:02 PM
A little play with splitting the model. Trying for minimum number of parts. I've hollowed out the rear fuselage but left the nose solid. I'm hoping this will help keep it on its nose gear. Test print when the weather is warm enough for the resin...

The supports look pretty good. What printer are you using?  I think you mentioned it on the What-if forum, but what software are you using for the design? I hear you about waiting for warmer weather - I'm tempted to take a space heater up to my "lab" just to bring the temps near the printer's tent up to 74F-78F (23-25C)
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 19, 2023, 05:55:44 PM
A little play with splitting the model. Trying for minimum number of parts. I've hollowed out the rear fuselage but left the nose solid. I'm hoping this will help keep it on its nose gear. Test print when the weather is warm enough for the resin...

The supports look pretty good. What printer are you using?  I think you mentioned it on the What-if forum, but what software are you using for the design? I hear you about waiting for warmer weather - I'm tempted to take a space heater up to my "lab" just to bring the temps near the printer's tent up to 74F-78F (23-25C)

Anycubic Photon Mono. Currently the build room is ~ 14C

That engine pod looks like it would be perfect for my next Skyfox type whif of an F-86. Hmmmmm…..
Happy to send you the stl if you'd like
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Kerick on January 19, 2023, 11:25:25 PM
I might be able to get someone from my club to try it. We have a meeting on Saturday and I’ll ask.
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: ChernayaAkula on January 20, 2023, 05:53:42 AM
Colour scheme wise, Im thinking a simplified version of Norm 72. With only one of the splinter colours. Im erring on the side of the brown/green rather than the grey. I might put a hi viz band around the engine nacelle too :)

(https://images.noz-mhn.de/img/22601806/crop/cbase_4_3-w1200/1842445026/1680878029/e866cc6ae73341eda49c2543d5ec0e36.jpg)

Sounds realistic.  :smiley: German Canadair CL-289 drones, for instance, had light grey bellies and green topsides.
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Kerick on January 20, 2023, 10:41:46 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/IB2MWfP.jpg)

I was just thinking this would look cool with a V tail!
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 21, 2023, 02:59:11 AM
Sounds realistic.  :smiley: German Canadair CL-289 drones, for instance, had light grey bellies and green topsides.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48023217462_b1e8aaccab_w.jpg)

(https://aviationsmilitaires.net/media/thumbnails/1920/pictures/CL-289_NATO_AN_USD_502_Drohne.jpg.webp)

Thats some useful info, thank you!
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 22, 2023, 05:27:56 AM
So first couple of print attempts havent quite gone to plan. I've got a reasonable nose and engine nacelle so far - which is lucky as my printer is operating at ~10C! I've made some custom supports straight onto the CAD model. Hopefully they provide a bit more support.
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 22, 2023, 10:14:22 PM
I have a kit of parts!

(https://i.imgur.com/iPCS5iU.jpg)

Some quite thin structures there!

(https://i.imgur.com/4YN95dV.jpg)

Very pleased with how the landing gear came out.

(https://i.imgur.com/h1zppf8.jpg)

Itll need some clean up. But I think it should go together reasonably well :)
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: LemonJello on January 23, 2023, 04:12:05 AM
Those do look like some nice prints.
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 23, 2023, 04:19:37 AM
Assembled and hit with primer. I am pretty chuffed.

(https://i.imgur.com/SZvzbFc.png?1)
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Robomog on January 23, 2023, 04:58:30 AM
That looks cool, makes me want to buy a resin printer I can't afford aaah !

Mog
>^-.-^<
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Kerick on January 23, 2023, 07:08:03 AM
That looks great!
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: apophenia on January 23, 2023, 07:27:20 AM
Looking good! And the marketing department approves of your choice of box size  :smiley:
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Frank3k on January 23, 2023, 10:05:01 AM
That came out great!
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: finsrin on January 23, 2023, 12:26:51 PM
GeeWiz    Good results  :smiley:
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 23, 2023, 05:06:10 PM
Thanks all, Im hoping to get some decals delivered tomorrow (with accompanying 1/144 kit...) but in the meantime I should be able get the base colours on
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: LemonJello on January 24, 2023, 01:36:13 AM
That came out really well.
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 24, 2023, 06:04:13 AM
Unfortunately the model had a slight accident...
So printing mk 2 is underway.
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Old Wombat on January 24, 2023, 05:30:48 PM
Was a cat involved? ???

(https://bestlifeonline.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/06/cat-meme-61.jpg?quality=82&strip=all)
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 25, 2023, 03:38:57 AM
No cats involved, just murphy. Second set printed out. Looks good - so the repeatability test has been passed  ::)
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 27, 2023, 05:44:50 AM
Aircraft 2 is now in the state aircraft 1 was before its prang. Aircraft 1 has been remodelled without gear extended. Ill pose them together I think. One snag will be that I only have 1 set of markings. I might do aircraft one in bare metal/primer.

(https://i.imgur.com/vg3ZuE5.jpg)
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 28, 2023, 02:06:18 AM
 :smiley:
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: apophenia on January 28, 2023, 08:32:04 AM
Looking good ...

... One snag will be that I only have 1 set of markings. I might do aircraft one in bare metal/primer...

... and good call!  Mind you, I'm always a sucker for unpainted and/or primed surfaces  :smiley:
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on January 31, 2023, 12:10:06 AM
Paint on Aircraft 2

(https://i.imgur.com/tVoNdWC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/g8jeZTR.jpg)

Now I need to scrounge greeblie-decals from the spares box
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Robomog on January 31, 2023, 01:24:02 AM
Looks good !  :smiley:

Mog
>^-.-^<
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Kerick on January 31, 2023, 01:32:37 AM
Cool!
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Gingie on February 28, 2023, 02:04:27 AM
"so I had a go at CAD'ing it up"

I love how nonchalant  that comes off. I'm guessing those skills are hard fought and won. 3D designs with a view to printing looms high on my list of active-retirement plans.
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: raafif on February 28, 2023, 08:18:45 AM
Love the recessed bombs :smiley:
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on March 11, 2023, 04:35:50 AM
Im calling this one done.

(https://i.imgur.com/9Q7yqbo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Q129IWP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WHLrCb0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/q4ctoy9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TsLA08r.jpg)

Still might try to do the other one in bare metal/primer.
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 11, 2023, 05:55:41 AM
 :smiley:
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: finsrin on March 11, 2023, 06:05:11 AM
Beside looking convincing RW is heck of example what can be done with 3D printer.  :smiley:
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Robomog on March 11, 2023, 10:50:00 AM
That has come out a treat,   nice one !  :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Mog
>^-.-^<
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Buzzbomb on March 11, 2023, 01:57:28 PM
I am calling this fantastic.

Great wok
Title: Re: VFW-Fokker VF-500
Post by: Caveman on March 13, 2023, 02:59:55 AM
Thanks all