Tankbuster Group Build Inspiration and Ideas

[LemonJello]

Post ideas, thoughts, musings, photos or links that can inspire creativity and discussion.

[Buzzbomb]

Ok, one for Mig Eater to complement his great idea for this GB

RakettenPanzer Mit Rottkapchen. This is an oldie from my stable, but still on the shelf




Dont have to be big to pack a punch and tank bust.
RCL on Universal Carrier

[Mig Eater]

Oh wow so you made that RakettenPanzer, I've seen photos of it reposed in several different places and was wondering who made it  

[Buzzbomb]

More ?
Don't let suitable platforms get in the way.
This was a real world field mod. Sdkfz 232 Armoured car with a Pak 38 wedged on


More Whiffy, Crusader 17 Pdr Self Propelled Anti Tank gun

[Old Wombat]

Slightly more modern:


https://guyplachy.smugmug.com/LAV-150-Turret-TOW

[Kerick]

There was the Colombian conversion on an M8 armored car to a tank buster by adding a TOW system to the turret. They replaced the 37mm gun with a .50 cal mg.

[Frank3k]

Magic Factory MRZR D4 and the ICM "The crew of "Stugna-P" anti-tank complex":





Masterbox Mongoose buggy and one figure from the ICM "Quietly came, quietly went..." Ukrainian SOF set.

[perttime]

The Finnish 95 S 58-61 (or 95mm Recoilles Rifle, designed 1958, with M1961 wheeled carriage).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/95_S_58-61

[Jeffry Fontaine]

The Finnish 95 S 58-61 (or 95mm Recoilles Rifle, designed 1958, with M1961 wheeled carriage).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/95_S_58-61

Austria did something similar with their 106mm M40 Recoiless Riflles to allow the weapon to be towed like a regular artillery piece behind a Jeep or similar size vehicle. 

[Kerick]

I’ve mentioned before about the US Army LtCol who told me about how he thought the 106mm RR should have been combined with the optics of the TOW system. I don’t know how that would work but an interesting whiff idea. Mount it on an M151 jeep or M998.

Then there was Da Vinci’s tank idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo's_fighting_vehicle

If it had worked (down hill with a tail wind I’m thinking) what kind of anti tank system would be needed to repel it. I’m thinking flame thrower to start with.

[perttime]

The Finnish 95 S 58-61 (or 95mm Recoilles Rifle, designed 1958, with M1961 wheeled carriage).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/95_S_58-61

Austria did something similar with their 106mm M40 Recoiless Riflles to allow the weapon to be towed like a regular artillery piece behind a Jeep or similar size vehicle. 

Anti-tank crews did a lot of moving the recolless rifle on foot (or skis). It was nicknamed "Musti" (Blackie), for its bark. Crews would talk about taking Blackie for walkies 

[GTX_Admin]

Possible idea open for copying if someone wants to:

ADF replaces their Land Rover series-2 anti-tank "gunbuggy" (fitted with a 106mm recoilless rifle)



With a "missile buggy version of the Land Rover Perentie (4 x 4 or 6 x 6), possibly fitted with something like a TOW missile.

So possible merge kits like the following:





and then do it in this scheme:

[Kerick]

If you can put one in an M998 you can put one in a Land Rover or pretty much anything else.

[GTX_Admin]

Real World inspiration:




Swarmbotics AI develops robotic tank killers

[Kerick]

What happens when you jam their data links? The Russians are really good at that.

[Old Wombat]

What happens when you jam their data links? The Russians are really good at that.

They know their mission - they will complete it at all costs!

[GTX_Admin]

What happens when you jam their data links? The Russians are really good at that.

They know their mission - they will complete it at all costs!

Jamming isn't as complete as is made out.  Plus they also use fibre optics and AI autonomous ones.

[Frank3k]

What happens when you jam their data links? The Russians are really good at that.

There are plenty of videos of Russian tanks getting blown up and the last thing you see in the FPV drone's images are the brand new Russian anti-jamming antennas (and these aren't fiber optics drones).

A lot of drones use basic on board "AI" (basically image recognition) to get to their targets even if the signal jamming is successful. A land based drone, with a larger payload capability could be even smarter.

[Jeffry Fontaine]

There is another feature that has been around since the Boeing AGM-69 Short Range Attack Missile was available called "Home On Jam" so with miniaturization after fifty plus years later on that same feature could be included in these drone weapons to enhance lethality. 

Almost a comedy; Comrade Ork keeps pushing the jammer button and all the while the cursed drone keeps tracking him and his vehicle while trying to evade the drone. 

[Kerick]

That’s the problem with any jamming system. It has to emit it’s own jamming signal to do its job. Just like radar. So it’s easy to home in on it.

[Story]

Undated but looks 50's-ish. Probably a pair of 106mm recoilless rifles in a 'Hammerhead' TOW style turret.

[Story]

[Story]

Where's Marderman?

[raafif]

My choice would be something like a Praying Mantis (number 2) on a bigger chassis.  Was lucky to see the prototype at Bovington.

[Frank3k]

The T8 37mm Gun Motor Carriage wouldn't have lasted more than a few seconds in combat. Shrapnel, pebbles, a large bug and the crew would be dead.

The observation version looks more survivable:

[Kerick]

Lots of armor suggestions here but what about some aircraft? Of course the A-10 is legendary but what about some others? There is a kit of the A-9 out there. Attack choppers anyone?

[Story]

Shrapnel, pebbles, a large bug and the crew would be dead.

Pre-WW2 War Department, Frank - baby steps, baby steps. 

[Dr. YoKai]

I have been think about this-
Boeing_GA-1_on_ground by VileDr.Yo, on Flickr

And I do have an old Martin B-1 in the stash...
DATA:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_GA-1

Also, this- https://plane-encyclopedia.com/ww1/ago-s-i/
AGO_S.I by VileDr.Yo, on Flickr

[Kerick]

This looks like a whiff in a box!
https://www.anigrand.com/AA2107_Il-102.htm



It’s ugly enough!

[Mig Eater]

Would battleships count During the D-day landings HMS Rodney shelled German positions inland and managed to destroy several Panzer IV tanks that were headed towards the Allied beachhead.

[Kerick]

Holy crap! Nobody walked away from that one.

In today’s world maybe maverick missile with a booster motor and target designation from a drone.

[Kerick]

Here's the Reaper I've mentioned before. I could not find a pic on the web to save my soul. Finally found one stored on my computer





I don't remember who built it or if was one of our guys or what. But at least I found it.

[Story]

Howsabout a Chinese Nationalist Martin B-10 with a pair of 2cm Breda guns in the nose, B25H style? Good for ripping up Jap armor columns.

https://warhistory.org/@msw/article/martin-b-10

https://militarymatters.online/forgotten-aircraft/revolutionary-the-martin-b-10/

Might require (re)moving (?) the nose turret

https://frrom.com/index.php?page=frrom-fr0043-2


Same principle as the Italian Ba-88, with three 12.7mm machineguns in the nose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.88_Lince

[Acree]

Interesting idea.  Remove both the turret and the bomb-aimer's position and recontour the nose.  Perhaps A Dutch East Indies version using a Bohler 4.7cm M32 anti-tank gun (or even 2 - at a combat weight of just over 600 pounds, the B-10 should have been able to heft two).  If using only 1 Bohler, then perhaps supplement with a couple heavy machine guns?
Also, the Dutch had a lot more B-10-equivalents at their disposal than the Chinese. 

Anti-tank guns were in short supply during the 1942 campaign, but this is WIF-world, so anything is possible. 

[finsrin]

B-10 is overdue for a day in kitbashing spotlight.

[Acree]

That's funny, Finsrin!  You made a similar comment the last time I DID kitbash a B-10!  (see: https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4927.msg80264#msg80264)

[Story]

Also, the Dutch had a lot more B-10-equivalents at their disposal than the Chinese. 

True, but the Chinese were the first to use them in combat.

The first to fly the aircraft in combat was the China Nationalist Air Force (Republic of China Air Force), which received a total of nine Martin 139WC aircraft (six being delivered in February 1937 and three in August 1937). At the time, it was the fastest bomber in China. When the Japanese initiated the Second Sino-Japanese War on July 7, 1937, the Chinese Martin bombers were called upon to defend China against the invading Japanese, serving in night bombing and maritime reconnaissance missions.
https://vintageaviationnews.com/warbird-articles/today-in-aviation-history/today-in-aviation-history-first-flight-of-the-martin-b-10.html

[Story]

Interwar - slap a 75mm on anything that moves

[finsrin]

That's funny, Finsrin!  You made a similar comment the last time I DID kitbash a B-10!  (see: https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4927.msg80264#msg80264)

Yes - been long time, still applies.
Have cut plastic and mocked up modernized B-10.  Nothing been glued.  Maybe good for 'modernized' GB.

[Old Wombat]

Interwar - slap a 75mm on anything that moves

The French 75mm gun of WW1, & after, was a very sound & effective weapon system.

[GTX_Admin]

Something different:

[GTX_Admin]

And similar, though bigger:

[Story]

Someone was building a Char awhile back (Beutepanzer?) and I suggested something like this as part of the panzer school last ditch fleet.

[Story]

Heller does one of those 25mm AT guns

[Story]

[Story]

Something different:

I know these guys are Soviets and that's a 14.5mm PTRS-41, but why does it make me think of some slick Norwegian movie coming out next year about Lithuanian veterans turned bank / armored car robbers in the free city of Danzig, circa 1947?

And they plan to escape with the Nazi gold across the Baltic in a salvaged & stripped E-boat.

Cue opening credits, my droogies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHLbaOLWjpc

[Story]

The French 75mm gun of WW1, & after, was a very sound & effective weapon system.

Thou preacheth to the choir, Bubi.

[Frank3k]

Heller does one of those 25mm AT guns

That would be a very cramped turret. You'd have to hand pick your TC/gunner to aim and fire.

Found him:

[Kerick]

Heller does one of those 25mm AT guns

That would be a very cramped turret. You'd have to hand pick your TC/gunner to aim and fire.

Found him:

OMG, what is that?!
I hope that’s an AI picture!

[perttime]

Lahti 20mm anti-tank rifle

[Story]

That would be a very cramped turret. You'd have to hand pick your TC/gunner to aim and fire.

Found him:
 

Open turret. You can see the shell guard (in white) to the right.

 

[Story]

                               
 
OMG, what is that?!
I hope that’s an AI picture!

No, that's a very real Pinhead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freaks_(1932_film)

[arc3371]

Why not a classic DIY TD? Or why not put a 90mm on a M24?

[Kerick]

                               
 
OMG, what is that?!
I hope that’s an AI picture!

No, that's a very real Pinhead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freaks_(1932_film)

I read the story after posting that. Actually a pretty sad story. Disgraceful the way people like that were treated back then.

[Acree]

Another idea: BAC Tankmaster.  I have a BAC Jet Provost in my stash.  Not sure why I bought it since I usually focus on WW2 subjects.  Probably because it was inexpensive and the parts could be good wif-fodder. 

Anyway, how about BAC creates a bargain basement specialized tank killer conversion of the Strikemaster by removing the right seat to make room for a big anti-tank gun, along with underwing stores?  I'm thinking replace the Jet Provost's wide canopy with an assymetric single canopy and create gun space in the former right seat location.  Maybe even a pair of 30mm DEFA or ADEN, or maybe something bigger, along with a pair of underwing anti-tank missiles? 

Just musing at this point, but it could be fun.

[Claymore]

Another idea: BAC Tankmaster.  I have a BAC Jet Provost in my stash.  Not sure why I bought it since I usually focus on WW2 subjects.  Probably because it was inexpensive and the parts could be good wif-fodder. 

Anyway, how about BAC creates a bargain basement specialized tank killer conversion of the Strikemaster by removing the right seat to make room for a big anti-tank gun, along with underwing stores?  I'm thinking replace the Jet Provost's wide canopy with an assymetric single canopy and create gun space in the former right seat location.  Maybe even a pair of 30mm DEFA or ADEN, or maybe something bigger, along with a pair of underwing anti-tank missiles? 

Just musing at this point, but it could be fun.

Love it!  Please make it so… 

[apophenia]

Love it!  Please make it so… 

Me too   Especially this bit:

... with an assymetric single canopy and create gun space in the former right seat location...

Love it! 

[Old Wombat]

Another idea: BAC Tankmaster.  I have a BAC Jet Provost in my stash.  Not sure why I bought it since I usually focus on WW2 subjects.  Probably because it was inexpensive and the parts could be good wif-fodder. 

Anyway, how about BAC creates a bargain basement specialized tank killer conversion of the Strikemaster by removing the right seat to make room for a big anti-tank gun, along with underwing stores?  I'm thinking replace the Jet Provost's wide canopy with an assymetric single canopy and create gun space in the former right seat location.  Maybe even a pair of 30mm DEFA or ADEN, or maybe something bigger, along with a pair of underwing anti-tank missiles? 

Just musing at this point, but it could be fun.

Love it!  Please make it so… 

^^^ This!  ^^^

[Kerick]

Here’s a whiff in a box.

https://www.amazon.com/Scale-M2128-Bradley-Mobile-System/dp/B0FJCP11Q7/ref=mp_s_a_1_31_sspa?crid=16UDE3Y85HM1T&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.3AHmH3cGuqrXKGBv5XNuhasW_cA0Prnbf2amIznssk5Iry4BKHWHWcqrP_PT2b9NYg5MvwGx3u7WGrSniCVmCEYea3aPbwDRYWcbryJ1DV1xTpyGDHQJwvGHFtcS7wqrjcT74mTEO0LZ4MQ0bylIXKm109mQ7wmuZL9emSiwFQ0ONIH2rQTBX6beOoiFbm-_AaZivJm5138bzV6o1gohSw.tfMT-71xSdrlNLPzTEVXZT25GXlXlylKVM1pvwC15P8&dib_tag=se&keywords=lav+model+kit+1%2F35&qid=1763772269&sprefix=lav+model+kit+1%2F35%2Caps%2C99&sr=8-31-spons&xpid=fvZ41WiRawo12&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfbXRm&psc=1

I didn’t catch the name of the company but it looks pretty easy to kit bash.

[Old Wombat]

I didn’t catch the name of the company but it looks pretty easy to kit bash.

Magic Factory (it's on every image after the first one). 

[arkon]

https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=897.msg9801#msg9801 
hopefully i got the link thing right but this is to a build i did long ago listed as swept wing bi plane i think, maybe one of the first builds i shared on here, hope it helps get some one started.