Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: raafif on March 02, 2013, 03:32:10 AM
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can't find a topic on this so here goes ....
Ever notice how the Bloodhound missile & H.S. Buccaneer have similar outlines ? Just put the crude ('60's technology) Airfix kits of the 72nd scale Bucc & HO/OO B/Hound beside each other & find that they go together quite well. The Russians have a few very-large missiles for aircraft, so why not the Brits ?
A 1/350th Bucc would be 55mm long - ideal to make a missile to go under the 72nd Bucc's wing !
Doesn't someone do a 350th British aircraft set for carriers ???
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I've been thinking of a Bucc S Mk.3 as an alternative or supplement to the Tornado GR.1. The Spey's would be replaced by "cropped-fan Tay's" that fit the same envelope as the Speys and avionics would be updated to match what's on the Tornado. There would probably be some radome outline changes and I could see the SAAF's rocket booster installation as a standard fit for rapid launch and to allow use of the extended underwing tanks of the SAAF in addition to, or in place of, the bulged weapons bay door of the RAF.
Another option would be a more dedicated tanker version with the equipment all internal to the weapons bay rathr than carried on a pod under the wing.
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Brought to my attention courtesy of GTX......
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Some additional links for the Buccaneer:
Wikipedia - Blackburn Buccaneer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Buccaneer)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Buccaneer_S2B_Mildenhall_1988.jpeg/300px-Buccaneer_S2B_Mildenhall_1988.jpeg) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Buccaneer_S2B_Mildenhall_1988.jpeg)
Click for larger image (source: Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Buccaneer_S2B_Mildenhall_1988.jpeg))
Warbird Alley - Blackburn (BAe) Buccaneer (http://www.warbirdalley.com/bucc.htm)
Andy White's Blackburn Buccaneer: The Last British Bomber (http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk/)
avcollect.com - Blackburn Buccaneer (http://www.avcollect.com/blackburnbuccaneer.html)
Damian Burke's Thunder and Lightnings - Blackburn Buccaneer (http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/buccaneer/index.php)
(main page for above: Thunder and Ligntnings - British Cold War Military Aircraft (http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/index.php))
Thunder City, Cape Town Town International airport, South Africa - Blackburn Buccaneer (http://www.thundercity.com/pages/499409045/our-jets/baeb.asp)
From ARC: Airfix 1:48th scale Buccaneer built by Ian Holahan (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal12/11901-12000/gal11908-Buccaneer-Holahan/00.shtm)
Google web search results for Buccaneer (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=5&gs_ri=psy-ab&pq=bae%20buccaneer&cp=2&gs_id=b&xhr=t&q=blackburn+buccaneer&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=BlBuccaneer&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=c1860044171a634f&biw=1599&bih=924)
Google image search results for Buccaneer (http://www.google.com/search?q=blackburn+buccaneer&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=67czUebbCoOsiQKj4IHIDg&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1599&bih=924)
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Looking to do at least one West German S.51 one in MFG1 or MFG2 markings. SAAF tanks and the booster rocket fit for scramble departures with tanks on the inboard hardpoints and Komoran missiles on the outboard ones. Dding the RAF bulged weapons bay tank would be an option to be added later.
If I was doing a tanker with the HDU equipment in a modified weapons bay, I think I'd look at using underwing tanks on all four wing hardpoints, preferably the SAAF tanks for the extra capacity.
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Remember when I first saw Buccaneer photos.
Struck me what an aesthetic good looking jet it is.
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P.145 and P.150 derivatives.
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/P145-02.jpg)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/P145-01.jpg)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/P150-01.jpg)
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Any A/C where the main gear is dual boogies all right in my books.
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How about an Electronic Warfare Bucc in the same vein as the EA-6? Sling some Jammer pods under the wings and include fuel + more electronics in the weapons bay.
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Norwegian.
Air Force of British Royal Columbia.
U.S. Army, current day Afghanistan
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Remember that a Bucc has a whacking great avionics bay full of 1950s/60s black boxes in the rear fuselage. Modernise and miniaturise that lot and you get a whole load of space. For a tanker, you could probably lose a lot of it and get an HDU in there, leaving the whole bomb bay for fuel.
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I was rather surprised to find that there isn't a thread on this aircraft.
I'm thinking both alternate users and alternate weapon loadouts. For example:
Marineflieger with SAAF rocket boosters & long drop tanks, RAF bulged weapons bay, and Komorans under each wing
JASDF with either four ASM-1 or -2 missiles or two drop tanks and two missiles
RSwedAF in 3-tone green splinter camo with two or four Rb.04 or Rb.05 missiles
USMC and/or USN markings as "A-8" when the electronics don't come together and the A-6 Intruder program fails
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Indian Airforce perhaps?
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There was indeed a thread, topics merged and thread renamed Blackburn Buccaneer to ease
future searches.
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Some additional links for the Buccaneer:
Wikipedia - Blackburn Buccaneer ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_Buccaneer[/url])
([url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Buccaneer_S2B_Mildenhall_1988.jpeg/300px-Buccaneer_S2B_Mildenhall_1988.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Buccaneer_S2B_Mildenhall_1988.jpeg[/url])
Click for larger image (source: Wikipedia ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Buccaneer_S2B_Mildenhall_1988.jpeg[/url]))
Warbird Alley - Blackburn (BAe) Buccaneer ([url]http://www.warbirdalley.com/bucc.htm[/url])
Andy White's Blackburn Buccaneer: The Last British Bomber ([url]http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk/[/url])
avcollect.com - Blackburn Buccaneer ([url]http://www.avcollect.com/blackburnbuccaneer.html[/url])
Damian Burke's Thunder and Lightnings - Blackburn Buccaneer ([url]http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/buccaneer/index.php[/url])
(main page for above: Thunder and Ligntnings - British Cold War Military Aircraft ([url]http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/index.php[/url]))
Thunder City, Cape Town Town International airport, South Africa - Blackburn Buccaneer ([url]http://www.thundercity.com/pages/499409045/our-jets/baeb.asp[/url])
From ARC: Airfix 1:48th scale Buccaneer built by Ian Holahan ([url]http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal12/11901-12000/gal11908-Buccaneer-Holahan/00.shtm[/url])
Google web search results for Buccaneer ([url]http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=5&gs_ri=psy-ab&pq=bae%20buccaneer&cp=2&gs_id=b&xhr=t&q=blackburn+buccaneer&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=BlBuccaneer&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=c1860044171a634f&biw=1599&bih=924[/url])
Google image search results for Buccaneer ([url]http://www.google.com/search?q=blackburn+buccaneer&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=67czUebbCoOsiQKj4IHIDg&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1599&bih=924[/url])
This is somewhat embarrassing :-[ but I'm going to have to use this to discover more about what has been for quite a number of years been one of my favourite aircraft, both for its rugged aesthetics & for its down-low performance. :-*
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Fighter derivative
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Interesting.
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USAF SEA over black.
Yup yup yup.
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^ That should look great! :)
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I wonder what you'd get crossing the Buccaneer's stout airframe with the A-6's avionics and nav/attack systems fit?
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I wonder what you'd get crossing the Buccaneer's stout airframe with the A-6's avionics and nav/attack systems fit?
A-6 was a heavy user of wire-wrap for integration, would it be up to the Bucc's operational profile?
A former co-worker at Boeing was former USN avionics and the A-6 wire-wrap was the bane of his
existence, he related that the failure rate/downtime was excessive. When wire-wrap was chosen
for avionics integration on the 747-400 he protested so vigorously that it detrimentally affected
his career for the rest of his time at Boeing. Boeing went with wire-wrap and the operators hate it.
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USAF SEA over black.
Yup yup yup.
Okay, just had to try this.
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/usaf-buccs-night-and-day_zpsijdetffi.png)
Night attack scheme with GBU-10s for precision attack. Wanted to try toned down markings on SEA camo with black undersides on another build and thought this was a good chance to give it a try. I suppose they'd be less bright on an actual, weathered build.
Daytime attack scheme with loads of Mk 82s. Did this one just because it I wanted to see how it looked and simply involved changing some colours.
The Hell's Angel nose art was created by taking a pic of an Italeri B-57B decal sheet and painting over it in MS Paint. Time-consuming, but worth it.
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[url]http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/P150-01.jpg[/url][/img]
I'd love to see this supersonic variant in RAAF markings and South East Asian camouflage! :P
M.A.D
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Okay, just had to try this.
([url]http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/usaf-buccs-night-and-day_zpsijdetffi.png[/url])
GodDAMN, I can't afford anymore kits! Why do you do this to me? :icon_beer:
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For the night attack one, self-lasing or is the target lased from another aircraft? I could see my OF-5F concept working here.
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^ I suppose either way would work. Shouldn't be too hard to fit a Pave Knife pod on one of the pylons. Maybe even something like the TRAM turret of the A-6E in a part of the bomb bay?
GodDAMN, I can't afford anymore kits! Why do you do this to me? :icon_beer:
Because I can. >:D Nah, truth is, I might need two more Buccs myself now. :-X Eyeing the upcoming TANMODEL kit for this. Once they release the 1/72 version, that is.
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^ I suppose either way would work. Shouldn't be too hard to fit a Pave Knife pod on one of the pylons. Maybe even something like the TRAM turret of the A-6E in a part of the bomb bay?
GodDAMN, I can't afford anymore kits! Why do you do this to me? :icon_beer:
Because I can. >:D Nah, truth is, I might need two more Buccs myself now. :-X Eyeing the upcoming TANMODEL kit for this. Once they release the 1/72 version, that is.
Perhaps fair it in to the front of the bulged weapons bay door? Alternatively, Pave Knife on one of the pylons and drop tank on the matching side of the other wing with two GBU-10's on the outboard hardpoints. I am tempted to wait on the 1/72 version(s) of the TANMODEL kit to do these.
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Mate the Pave Knife pod with one of the slipper tanks. There is enough material in the after portion of the Pave Knife pod that could become part of the slipper tank without much effort so that all you have is the rotating portion of the Pave Knife pod extending from the front of the slipper tank.
The 48th scale Buccanneer from AirFix has one version that includes the extended/larger/longer slipper tank shapes that were used on SADF Buccaneers which might make it that much easier to blend the parts from the Pave Knife pod with the slipper tank.
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As posted elsewhere already, images like these:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7128/7621208928_2611333193_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7122/7621208464_f7159d4de5_b.jpg)
Make me wonder about a carrier based (or otherwise) ASW variant with mini sonobuoys in weapons bay and perhaps a torpedo under each wing (maybe faired into the fuel tanks). This could fill a role somewhat similar to the supposed Su-32FN.
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<snip>Make me wonder about a carrier based (or otherwise) ASW variant with mini sonobuoys in weapons bay and perhaps a torpedo under each wing (maybe faired into the fuel tanks). This could fill a role somewhat similar to the supposed Su-32FN
Not sure about torpedoes but that reconnaissance rack and pyrotechnics section might make an excellent container for chaff and flares plus a couple of ECM jamming systems. Think EA-6 or EF-111 roles but twenty years earlier. Protecting the strike package as they zoom in to take out hostile surface units.
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EA-6A went into service in 1966, somehow I don't see the capability existing in 1946. ;D :icon_fsm:
Buccaneer entered service in 1962.
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(https://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/buccaneer/images/2682profile.jpg)
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What might have been...
(https://combatace.com/uploads/monthly_2019_08/img00545.JPG.a3998746a64bb6d11d40f7d1493fe007.JPG)
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Heading in the right direction! ;)
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(https://combatace.com/uploads/monthly_01_2014/post-9039-0-72643100-1390510137_thumb.jpg)
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(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_2019_09/img00679.JPG.40aad3d7e73a3d930a45c13b0ccd265b.JPG)
(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_2019_09/img00687.JPG.63752c5025543b788df9dc87a29d8c70.JPG)
(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_2019_09/img00682.JPG.69531481986f1ef24f8668c595e750c6.JPG)
(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_2019_09/img00677.JPG.375376f671bb93439ac9ba37398a6eb0.JPG)
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(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_2019_09/img00668.JPG.9bd249742beeecec71cbc02b5a34b3bb.JPG)
(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_2019_09/img00659.JPG.e4bc76563a0faab9807d9241dcaec86a.JPG)
(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_2019_09/img00648.JPG.d4c99ec5a910c6ee003077ea3dd3c966.JPG)
(https://combatace.com/applications/downloads/interface/legacy/screenshot.php?path=/monthly_2019_09/img00649.JPG.13244eed69c014a9261d5c01fe179f69.JPG)
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So Australia bought Eagle in the early 70s then?
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Maybe...
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Well now you have bought up my favourite Post War jet.. plus more nice pix of most versions I already have on the shelf in Whiffer version, LuftMarine, RAAF. I do like the RAN version though
My take on the RAAF Bucc using the F-111 Scheme
(https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1upx1eg6m9e4ojmygo1a8/raafbucc.jpg?rlkey=muf4u4qey74lyzjiuvabonqn4&raw=1)
I would also consider India to be possible alternate market
(https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/8bxcjjkf5vcr0jfugy41j/indianbucc5.jpg?rlkey=czm3vvps93y604iiv7yi2h5wu&raw=1)
For completeness..Blackburn/BAE did offer the Buccaneer as a competitor to the Intruder, with predictable results
(https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/icucj10kc50skcl8p91k5/usnbucc.jpg?rlkey=msbn9z2rjs144b4pajae9g2y4&raw=1)
MarineFleiger Bucc
(https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7mf51ir16q6an5dztssue/luftbucc.jpg?rlkey=akf9blkwkfu2utriazlhn0hx4&raw=1)
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Nice! Good to see the Bucc in different dress :smiley:
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Mini Buccaneer, based on Hawker Sea Hawk
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/miniBuccaneer.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/9e5310ea-7b90-4d3d-be9b-f1d88563a904)
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Different
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Buccaneer's nightmare
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/BuccaneerDSO.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/22e06f5f-2df3-4360-a646-d0d70b3d19bc)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/BuccaneerNoTT.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/b805c757-2bf8-47f6-9fe2-58d39d663a94)
BTW: tail with different camo is not my idea. https://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/buccaneer/profiles.php (https://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/buccaneer/profiles.php)
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/Buccaneer_F4.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/2776d365-055c-42db-b2a8-61fd9d113431)
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Frankenstein project with Jaguar, Buccaneer and Harrier
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/JagBucHarrier1.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/JagBucHarrier1.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
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Buccaneer plus Jaguar
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/JagBuccaneer1_2W1LECwKjBUFg2FuJt57Jh.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/JagBuccaneer1_2W1LECwKjBUFg2FuJt57Jh.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
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Single-seater Bucc is a splendid idea! :smiley: The Jag nose works rather well on that.
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As posted elsewhere already, images like these:
([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7128/7621208928_2611333193_b.jpg[/url])
([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7122/7621208464_f7159d4de5_b.jpg[/url])
I'm seeing a potential forerunner to the JP-233 airfield denial weapon in these pictures.
That recce insert looks like it's made in two parts, so maybe design an anti-airfield weapon insert based on it. Make one section for smaller munitions and the other section for larger ones.
You could mix and match it too. Have two section of the same type so you could have all small or all large munitions carried by an aircraft.
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For completenes..Blackburn/BAE did offer the Buccaneer as a competitor to the Intruder, with predictable results
([url]http://www.modelblokez.org.au/bthpix/whatif/usnbucc.jpg[/url])
USN Buccaneer looks soooooooo right to me.
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I like your thinking.
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I'm seeing a potential forerunner to the JP-233 airfield denial weapon in these pictures.
That recce insert looks like it's made in two parts, so maybe design an anti-airfield weapon insert based on it. Make one section for smaller munitions and the other section for larger ones.
You could mix and match it too. Have two section of the same type so you could have all small or all large munitions carried by an aircraft.
I like your thinking.
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Corsair influence :mellow: :lol: .
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/corsairInfluence.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/corsairInfluence.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
BTW, same scale.
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I've been engaged in conversation about the British CVA-01 aircraft carrier on another forum. In this conversation many have alluded to the CVA-01 eventually being compatible with F-111B and F-14....
Got me thinking, for the Royal Navy's small aircraft contingency and their seeming want to emulate USN capabilities of FAD at the time, what about a cost-effective modification of Blackburn Buccaneer S.2 fitted out for FAD ?
Gutting it of it's strike role systems/radar etc for that of the following:
Hughes AN/AWG-9 radar [this might necessitate an enlarged radome - reminiscent of the bulbous radome on the F-4K/M]
Four underwing AIM-54 Phoenix AAM's [or two semi-recessed AIM-54 Phoenix AAM's in a modified bomb bay]?
Upgraded Spey turbofan engines with greater thrust.....
Anyone up to doing such a profile?
MAD