Author Topic: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives (Read 101438 times)

jcf · « **Reply #250 on:** May 11, 2020, 06:27:52 AM »

From Tommy Thomason's blog:

The FJ-3s were also retrofitted for inflight refueling with the installation of a fixed
probe extending from the left wing.

Which means there is probably no technical reason the kit couldn't be applied to the F-86.

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #251 on:** May 11, 2020, 08:31:51 AM »

Argghhhhh Captain!

Refueling probe sighted off the port side!

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #252 on:** May 23, 2020, 03:08:30 AM »

Random idea: Swedish F-83 instead of their Hunters. In the same scheme though:

elmayerle · « **Reply #253 on:** May 23, 2020, 12:30:21 PM »

So the team would be the Acro Sabres? Works for me.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #254 on:** May 24, 2020, 02:35:50 AM »

Going back to the air-to-air refuelling of Sabres, I found this interesting snippet a little while ago in the Alan Stephens book "Going Solo : The Royal Australian Air Force 1946-1971":

M.A.D · « **Reply #255 on:** May 24, 2020, 07:01:59 AM »

Nice find GTX!

I'm liking the sound of the idea of 'interim Canberra tanker', especially with the Canberra's being replaced with F-111 (alas ten years later than originally planned), as the Canberra's, going by other same era Canberra's, had plenty of flight time left in them.
Fuel, hose and pump arrangement in the bomb bay, transferable fuel in drop tanks under the wings....

M.A.D

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #256 on:** May 24, 2020, 07:59:04 AM »

Quote from: M.A.D on May 24, 2020, 07:01:59 AM

Nice find GTX!

I'm liking the sound of the idea of 'interim Canberra tanker', especially with the Canberra's being replaced with F-111 (alas ten years later than originally planned), as the Canberra's, going by other same era Canberra's, had plenty of flight time left in them.
Fuel, hose and pump arrangement in the bomb bay, transferable fuel in drop tanks under the wings....

The Airfix accessory kit that provides the tanker parts plus the reconnaissance panel for the Valiant might be quick source for your Canberra tanker parts in 1:72nd scale or if you don't mind the slight difference in size, it could work for a 1:48th scale Canberra tanker.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #257 on:** May 24, 2020, 09:26:19 PM »

I've been meaning to ask here if anyone has photos of Sabres with their wings removed. I've found one photo in a book called Archives Photographic Series - Westland, which shows a front fuselage of an F-86 being used as a engine test stand. It's using all the u/c gear for the support of the fuselage, and the wings have been removed outboard the main gear bay. The problem is there's also a large tarpaulin covering the joint so you can't see details. A google search hasn't produced anything, lots of photos with the rear fuselage removed though.

jcf · « **Reply #258 on:** May 25, 2020, 12:13:42 AM »

If it's sitting on all of the gear then they've chopped the wings off outboard of the
landing gear.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #259 on:** May 25, 2020, 02:13:16 AM »

I had wondered about that Jon, because I had always thought the wing was built in one. But after seeing the photo I had second thoughts ---

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #260 on:** May 25, 2020, 02:33:06 AM »

A couple more shots of the Firestreak trials with CAC Sabres:

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #261 on:** May 25, 2020, 02:39:46 AM »

And whilst on the theme of Australian (and other) Sabres, get a load of these:

And look closely at the wing of the same jet later on:

PNGDF CAC Sabre anyone?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #262 on:** October 05, 2020, 03:59:03 AM »

M.A.D · « **Reply #263 on:** October 05, 2020, 06:16:25 PM »

The PNGDF markings on the Avon Sabre is intriguing GTX. Do you know what the go is? 😯

MAD

finsrin · « **Reply #264 on:** October 05, 2020, 07:06:07 PM »

Looking over Sabre-Fury pictures. Such a definitive jet. An all modern one with current materials, engine, avionics, aerodynamic refinements would be cool....

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #265 on:** October 06, 2020, 02:42:29 AM »

Quote from: M.A.D on October 05, 2020, 06:16:25 PM

The PNGDF markings on the Avon Sabre is intriguing GTX. Do you know what the go is? 😯

MAD

It was part of the time A94-922 served as a Surface Finishers' Training Aid - see here for more examples.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #266 on:** April 05, 2021, 03:49:32 AM »

Cool photo:

Click for bigger

kitnut617 · « **Reply #267 on:** April 18, 2021, 01:57:34 AM »

So while I was on SPF a couple of days ago, I came across a thread with this posted in it. It's a Canadair proposal designated as a CL-76 and the engines were to be P&W JT12's.
Now this is a quite doable project, the JT12's were used on the Dassault Falcon 20 and it just happens that the Mach II kit of the Falcon has two engine options, one being the JT12 variant. The plan was to base the CL-76 on the Canadair Sabre 6 and I have a spare one of these, plus a TF-86 conversion.

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #268 on:** April 18, 2021, 02:41:54 AM »

^^^^
I have never seen this. Thanks for posting.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #269 on:** April 18, 2021, 02:53:36 AM »

See here too: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg144384#msg144384

apophenia · « **Reply #270 on:** April 18, 2021, 03:23:18 AM »

Beat me to it Greg

kitnut617 · « **Reply #271 on:** April 18, 2021, 03:41:49 AM »

Your comments Stephen in the thread over on SPF was what got me to look around to see what I could use to build a model of one. It turned out to be very easy as all the parts are available OOB.

apophenia · « **Reply #272 on:** April 18, 2021, 05:28:37 AM »

Thanks Robert. Are you going to tackle it as proposed RW? Or will there be any tweaking?

I was discussing the CL-76B with M.A.D and one conclusion was that overall appearance could be improved by refining the nose. Another notion was that a production version CL-76 might look rather less 'North American'. Eg: Would Canadair stick with the TF-86 cockpit and canopy?

I wondered if Canadair mightn't switch over to CL-30 Silver Star units for a production CL-76. After all, why not stick with components that the firm already had in production? One question arising is any speed difference between the two types. Sabre maximum speed was around 600 knots (S/L), the T-33 about 100 knots slower. Not sure what the CL-76's top speed would be ... but, I'm guessing, closer to the 'T-Bird'?

elmayerle · « **Reply #273 on:** April 18, 2021, 12:21:26 PM »

I've seen something on a comparable NAA design that used the capped inlet as a fuel tank. I suspect they would need structural reinforcement as the fuel would impose radically different and higher loads on the structure.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #274 on:** April 18, 2021, 10:10:20 PM »

Quote from: apophenia on April 18, 2021, 05:28:37 AM

Thanks Robert. Are you going to tackle it as proposed RW? Or will there be any tweaking?

I was reading that the project was to be for a low altitude attack aircraft, so I might 'tweak' it a bit. Evan's comment about a fuel tank in the nose, but now there's no engine in the fuselage, would it be necessary. I was giving the project some thought last night and wondering what I could use for the nose cap, the cross-section being a bit unique --- I'm thinking at the moment I could use a Mosquito nose, maybe with a battery of cannon just visible. 'Course there would be a bigger radar there too ---- I think I'll use the biggest F-86 wing too, leading edge extensions, slats and extended wing tips.

The break-down drawing labels all the different F-86 components that were planned, and as the TF-86 was based on the 'E' variant, I think I'll just use the Falcon TF-86 conversion I have and then get another to make a RW TF-86.


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Author Topic: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives (Read 101438 times)