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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #225 on: December 26, 2015, 05:05:26 AM »
Thatz a wanna build B-17. :)

B-29 too!!

Still a Loony idea.   ;D
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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #226 on: December 26, 2015, 05:18:34 AM »
Thatz a wanna build B-17. :)

B-29 too!!

Still a Loony idea.   ;D

"Still a Loony idea."    Best play on words for 2015. :)

Alternate "Loony" idea is under wing on B-2.  Needs longer landing gear.

For B-17 use the warhead is replaced with fuel.  Loon is decoy (think B-52 & Quail) to dilute USSR defenses. 
B-17 flies far a feasible and launches.  Loon flies deep until fuel is gone.  See,,, it all makes sense !
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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #227 on: December 26, 2015, 07:05:33 AM »
Thatz a wanna build B-17. :)

I'm fairly sure there was a conversion to do that too, RVHP maybe

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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #228 on: December 27, 2015, 03:17:47 AM »
I'm fairly sure there was a conversion to do that too, RVHP maybe

I haven't seen one ...though there are certainly plenty of B-17 and JB-2 Loon/V-1/Fi-103 model kits out there in multiple scales to let you try to do something.
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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #229 on: December 27, 2015, 03:22:27 AM »
Some more pics:



And one showing it being attached under the wing of a B-29:



and one showing the attachment frame a little more:

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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #230 on: December 27, 2015, 04:17:05 AM »
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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #231 on: October 08, 2017, 08:01:33 AM »
AN/APG-71 in the nose, all turrets removed.
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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #232 on: December 05, 2018, 02:36:14 AM »

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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #233 on: December 05, 2018, 02:45:49 AM »
"There is no such thing as overkill!"  Damn, that looks deadly.

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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #234 on: December 05, 2018, 03:47:53 AM »
Looks like they don't elevate, maybe to counter the German tactic of head-on attack.

In the book 'I Flew for the Fuhrer' by Heinz Knoke (I think that how you spell his name), he writes that became their favorite tactic.
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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #235 on: December 05, 2018, 06:04:34 AM »
Six shooter chin turret is awesome  :-*

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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #236 on: December 07, 2018, 01:03:52 AM »
to counter the German tactic of head-on attack. SNIP that became their favorite tactic.
It was and developed because the B-17s prior to the G were woefully under-protected from the front with only a single hand held .50 or even .30 cal MG nominally fitted, though there were a LOT of field modifications to fit more .50s around the bombardier.

From the German perspective, one of the other benefits was that, although the aircraft were harder to hit because the frontal area was so much smaller, if you did hit a Fort from the front, the rounds were going to travel all the way through the ship or were going to impact the cockpit, either instance doing way more damage than most strikes elsewhere or from other attitudes.

The Bendix chin turret was specifically designed to provide more punch from the front, but the bombers, be they Forts or Liberators, were always more vulnerable from the front so it was always going to be a favoured attack vector unless the risks for the German pilots were made really, really high.

This looks like an attempt to make them really, really high.  :smiley:

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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #237 on: December 07, 2018, 07:51:15 AM »
Some more pics:



And one showing it being attached under the wing of a B-29:



and one showing the attachment frame a little more:


Something like either installation being used operationally with Loons as part of Operation Downfall sounds potentially interesting for whif possibilities.

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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #238 on: October 22, 2019, 08:08:54 AM »
Found on Facebook. Text translated from French.




The Boeing B-17E Dreamboat, a weapon modification project studied by USAAF Major Robert J. Reeds. These modifications included installing the B-24 Liberator's electric turrets and "barn door" type bomb door doors. The aircraft, thus modified, was returned to England in September 1943 and tested by American pilots who appreciated the aircraft.

However, he was blamed for the concentration of all the main crew members in the nose where they could be carried away with a single gun shell. 1

1. Which is not that different from the standard B-17.


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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #239 on: October 22, 2019, 09:37:40 AM »
However, he was blamed for the concentration of all the main crew members in the nose where they could be carried away with a single gun shell. 1

1. Which is not that different from the standard B-17.

Which would be preferable, I think, to being a ball-gunner or tail-gunner waiting to die as the plane plummets to the ground with the rest of the crew dead.
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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #240 on: October 22, 2019, 12:42:50 PM »
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1. Which is not that different from the standard B-17


Sure about that?

Since the nose was now taken up by the turret, the bombardier was moved to an under nose gondola, which provided such excellent visibility that he acted as the navigator too, reducing the number of crew members from 10 to nine.

The radio operator and his equipment were moved from the middle of the aircraft forward to a compartment next to the bombardier gondola, making it possible for them to communicate if the inter phone was shot out. More importantly, this moved the center of gravity forward and eliminated the tail heaviness. As an added benefit, this required a longer antenna wire, which provided a stronger signal.

The dorsal and ball turrets were replaced with lighter, roomier and better armored models, and the two waist gun positions were removed and replaced by a power boosted twin .50 machine gun mounted on top of the fuselage just above the old waist gun positions. It required only a single gunner, so the number of crew members was further reduced to eight.


So compared to the regular B-17 you now have a nose-turret gunner(1), bombardier/nav(2), pilot(3), co-pilot(4), flight
engineer(5) and radioman(6) all in the nose, and three in the rear.

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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #241 on: October 22, 2019, 06:34:30 PM »
Any more photos of that?  Also, what’s the go with the gun in the Radio Operator area?
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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #242 on: October 22, 2019, 06:36:17 PM »
Cool.  Thanks for the cutaway and clarification. 

No other photos were posted. 

It looks like the spine was enlarged. 
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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #244 on: March 28, 2020, 07:18:41 PM »
Via Facebook.



Text: B-17 test dropping JB-2 V-1 clone. Part of the pre-invasion barrage of Japan would’ve included JB-2’s launched from landing craft, escort carriers and air launches from PB4Y Privateers.
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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #245 on: March 29, 2020, 03:20:37 AM »
Could be an interesting build to do.
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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #246 on: April 14, 2020, 03:54:55 AM »
Colour shot of turboproped B-17:

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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #247 on: April 14, 2020, 04:09:03 AM »
Must be fastest B-17...

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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #248 on: April 20, 2020, 03:34:17 AM »
Interesting view:

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Re: Boeing B-17 Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #249 on: May 05, 2020, 03:16:53 AM »
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