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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on February 27, 2016, 05:20:35 AM

Title: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 27, 2016, 05:20:35 AM
Some designs are so ugly that they take on a beauty of their own.  For example, the Nardi FN.305D:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8014/7586115270_fcbd352b2b_b.jpg)(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/other2/fn305/fn305-5.jpg)
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: jcf on February 27, 2016, 05:42:54 AM
That's because it has good bone structure, as it was a modification of this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Nardi_FN305.jpg/1024px-Nardi_FN305.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 27, 2016, 05:44:44 AM
Oh don't worry, I know the history etc.  It still doesn't change my assessment.
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Frank3k on February 27, 2016, 06:11:19 AM
Just about any French interwar plane will fall into this category:

(http://www.pacificwrecks.com/douglas/articles/french/farman-221.jpg)

The Poles tried hard, too:

(http://forum.valka.cz/attachments/217/pzl30-2.jpg)

The post war Short Seamew:
(http://www.diseno-art.com/images_9/short-seamew.jpg)
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 27, 2016, 06:12:24 AM
Just about any French interwar plane will fall into this category:


Indeed
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Weaver on February 27, 2016, 06:34:16 AM
This is a Blackburn Blackburn:

(http://www.highgallery.com/Foreign-Aircraft/Great_Britain/Reconnaissance/GREAT-BRITAIN2R_BLACKBURN-2.jpg)

and this is a Blackburn Blackburn on floats:

(http://www.newzeal.com/aviation/BL/BlackburnR11.jpg)

Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: jcf on February 27, 2016, 07:17:15 AM
An RAF entry, the AVRO Aldershot:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Avro_AldershotA.jpg)

and a centreline drawing that helps to explain why the RAF and RN single engined bombers/spotter-recce types of
the period tended to look so thick through the middle:
(http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS/i-HmqVbcT/0/8cda0355/O/AVRO_ALDERSHOT_01.png)
 ;D
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Kerick on February 27, 2016, 10:30:43 AM
Just about any French interwar plane will fall into this category:

([url]http://www.pacificwrecks.com/douglas/articles/french/farman-221.jpg[/url])

The Poles tried hard, too:

([url]http://forum.valka.cz/attachments/217/pzl30-2.jpg[/url])

The post war Short Seamew:
([url]http://www.diseno-art.com/images_9/short-seamew.jpg[/url])

And some say the F-4 Phantom was ugly! What were these folks thinking? The WWI aircraft had better streamlining.
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Rickshaw on February 27, 2016, 10:56:58 AM
And some say the F-4 Phantom was ugly! What were these folks thinking? The WWI aircraft had better streamlining.

The French and Poles were following function over form, for the most part.   Aerodynamics weren't unknown, they were just discarded in favour of getting the best view possible for what ever function was needed in that position on the aircraft.
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Dr. YoKai on February 28, 2016, 01:55:34 AM
I have long been fond of the stately majesty of the Pemberton - Billing Nighthawk.

(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww1/snighthawk/snighthawk-2.jpg)
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 28, 2016, 02:55:11 AM
Another for me is the Bellanca C-27:

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3748/11074570083_fb2c69e4a5_b.jpg)
(http://www.skytamer.com/1.2/2005/5066.jpg)

Of course it went into sexy overdrive with the floats added... :-*

(http://collectair.org/images/sharedairspecebellancap200a.jpg)
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: upnorth on February 28, 2016, 03:31:51 AM
PZL Belphegor:

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--NkupcTT8--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/1418934723059700551.jpg)
net photo
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Kerick on February 28, 2016, 10:36:10 AM
Another for me is the Bellanca C-27:

([url]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3748/11074570083_fb2c69e4a5_b.jpg[/url])
([url]http://www.skytamer.com/1.2/2005/5066.jpg[/url])

Of course it went into sexy overdrive with the floats added... :-*

([url]http://collectair.org/images/sharedairspecebellancap200a.jpg[/url])


Ever see the old cartoon "Clutch Cargo"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yZ_mdE8gFo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yZ_mdE8gFo)
About 1:20 into the video
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Logan Hartke on February 28, 2016, 11:31:34 AM
The Mi-24 Hind and Ju 87B Stuka have always been examples of just such aircraft to my eyes. I always call them "hideously beautiful". Not classically beautiful, but somehow all the ugliness comes together just right and works to produce something surprisingly compelling.

(http://www.aircraftinformation.info/Images/Mi-24_01.jpg)

(http://i0.wp.com/mi-24.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/http-thehdwall.com-wp-content-uploads-2014-09-Helicopters-Soviet-Afghanistan-Mil-Vehicles-Mi-24-Hind-High-Quality-Wallpaper.jpg)

(http://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/germany/aircrafts/junkers-ju87-stuka/Junkers_Ju87_B-1_6G-HR_4.StG_1_France_1940.jpg)

(http://www.worldwar2stories-sheffield.com/resources/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-646-5188-17,_Flugzeuge_Junkers_Ju_87.jpg)

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: jcf on February 28, 2016, 02:39:35 PM
Just for Greg.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Bellanca_77-140_Bomber.jpg)
Bellanca 77-140

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Bellanca_77-320_Junior.jpg)
Bellanca 77-320
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Tophe on February 29, 2016, 01:34:47 AM
Just about any French interwar plane will fall into this category:

You may know that I am a shameful French man... :(
And here is the French Mustang FP-51B (of mine, alas)... :(
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P82-51C3_gm.jpg)
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Old Wombat on February 29, 2016, 07:12:15 AM
A lot of helicopters, imo, fit into this category especially;

the AH-1;
(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/AH-1ZViper_zpsf336f0c0.jpg)

& the CH-53 (or variants thereof);
(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/CH-53DSeaStallion_zpsdf9c0073.jpg)
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Tophe on March 03, 2016, 01:23:28 AM
Just about any French interwar plane will fall into this category:

You may know that I am a shameful French man... :(
And here is the French Mustang FP-51B (of mine, alas)... :(
From the pretty Lightning, (I dream/fear that) Farman designed the F-238B, A, C Beautning (Beaut' stands for Beauty = Beauté in French), yes!
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairM_aeu.jpg)
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Tophe on March 03, 2016, 02:18:55 AM
From the pretty Lightning, (I dream/fear that) Farman designed the F-238B, A, C Beautning (Beaut' stands for Beauty = Beauté in French), yes!
And from the Waitomo PL-11/Transavia PL-12 Airtruks came the PL-38T, W, X Pretning, maybe pretty in the farm...
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairM_aev.jpg)
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 03, 2016, 02:41:55 AM
(http://www.airteamimages.com/pics/174/174941_800.jpg)
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Weaver on March 03, 2016, 05:21:11 AM
This is a Blackburn Blackburn:

([url]http://www.highgallery.com/Foreign-Aircraft/Great_Britain/Reconnaissance/GREAT-BRITAIN2R_BLACKBURN-2.jpg[/url])

and this is a Blackburn Blackburn on floats:

([url]http://www.newzeal.com/aviation/BL/BlackburnR11.jpg[/url])


Look what I saw at the weekend:

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d165/hws5mp/Crewe%20Show%202016/IMG_6740.jpg) (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/hws5mp/media/Crewe%20Show%202016/IMG_6740.jpg.html)

 ;D


Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Weaver on March 03, 2016, 05:28:35 AM
An RAF entry, the AVRO Aldershot:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Avro_AldershotA.jpg)

That's a bit like the 1920s version of the F-105: looks nicely in proportion until you realise how freakin' BIG it is... ;)
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Weaver on March 03, 2016, 05:31:37 AM
This is Purdey*

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/qxds2ohczjadt1cmdpx0.jpg)



*Y'know, the people that make shotguns...... >:D
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Volkodav on March 03, 2016, 12:32:21 PM
Always found the Beech 17 Staggerwing to be very attractive, http://www.airplanemart.com/aircraft-history-and-specification/photo/l_airplane_image/Beechcraft-D17S-Staggerwing-N18777-NC18777.jpgeven (http://www.airplanemart.com/aircraft-history-and-specification/photo/l_airplane_image/Beechcraft-D17S-Staggerwing-N18777-NC18777.jpgeven) though it should be otherwise due to the stagger.
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: jcf on March 03, 2016, 02:12:12 PM
Nothing ugly about the Model 17, why would the reversed wing stagger make it so?  :-\
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Volkodav on March 03, 2016, 03:00:13 PM
Some have described it as weird, strange and yes even ugly, don't agree with them as I love the look of it but each to their own.
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: jcf on March 04, 2016, 01:25:39 AM
The Model 17 iterations with fixed gear did look rather pugnacious, so I suppose some could say it was ugly  C:-) :
(http://www.airminded.net/stagwing/beech_A17F.jpg)
(http://www.airminded.net/stagwing/beech_17R.jpg)

and the proposed pursuit could be considered odd, by some:
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BTS/PURSUIT17.jpg)
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Frank3k on March 04, 2016, 01:35:42 AM
From the pretty Lightning, (I dream/fear that) Farman designed the F-238B, A, C Beautning (Beaut' stands for Beauty = Beauté in French), yes!
([url]http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairM_aeu.jpg[/url])


But if you put a rear facing engine in the center pod of C, it would truly be "une bete beauté"
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 04, 2016, 07:31:23 AM
The Model 17 iterations with fixed gear did look rather pugnacious, so I suppose some could say it was ugly  C:-) :
([url]http://www.airminded.net/stagwing/beech_A17F.jpg[/url])



(http://www.animaroo.com/assets/sites/animaroo.com/img/breeds/img/english-bulldog_medium.jpg?1355978535)

But I love it  :-*
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Kelmola on March 04, 2016, 09:24:18 AM
and the proposed pursuit could be considered odd, by some:
That looks like GeeBee air racer had a threesome with an I-153 and Westland Lysander... and the offspring is strangely alluring.
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: jcf on March 04, 2016, 10:08:46 AM
and the proposed pursuit could be considered odd, by some:

That looks like GeeBee air racer had a threesome with an I-153 and Westland Lysander... and the offspring is strangely alluring.


Yep, it just screams early '30s and, like the later V-1710 powered pursuit concept, looks like something that would have graced
the cover of a pulp.
 :) ;D
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BEECH_PURSUIT_01.png)
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Tophe on March 04, 2016, 12:14:58 PM
From the pretty Lightning, (I dream/fear that) Farman designed the F-238B, A, C Beautning (Beaut' stands for Beauty = Beauté in French), yes!

But if you put a rear facing engine in the center pod of C, it would truly be "une bete beauté"
Farman had a big knowledge about push-pull engines, but are you sure these FPP-38B, A, A2 are becoming "beautiful"? ;)
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairM_aex.jpg)
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Frank3k on March 04, 2016, 12:27:49 PM
Tophe, thanks - I can see the first one cruising over Tahiti in the 1930s as an airliner.
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Weaver on March 04, 2016, 09:59:21 PM
There's even a song about Staggerwings (kind of): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln_JMeh-w30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln_JMeh-w30)
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Tophe on March 05, 2016, 10:47:47 PM
Tophe, thanks - I can see the first one cruising over Tahiti in the 1930s as an airliner.
Thanks for this idea... well I have posted today palm-Lightnings on my topic http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=22.810 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=22.810)
but they are not for here, as not airliner and not very ugly :(
Title: Re: So ugly its beautiful...or otherwise known as sexy ugly
Post by: Tophe on March 08, 2016, 01:19:58 PM
And from the awfully big-nose Boeing 707 Phalcon, with my time-machine, I created the GO-38A, B, C Gorgening (like "gorgeous")...
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38eclairM_afh.jpg)