Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Land => Topic started by: upnorth on February 29, 2012, 06:52:58 PM
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I figured I'd start up a thread for the various BMP vehicles and their offshoots
Here's the Czech built versions, the BVP-1 and BVP-2:
BVP-1
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/IDET%202009/DSCF2648.jpg)
BVP-2
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/NATO%20Day%202008/2008_0920natoday080087.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/NATO%20Day%202008/2008_0920natoday080081.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/NATO%20Day%202008/2008_0920natoday080069.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/Nato%20Day%202010/2010_0918ostrava20100120.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/Nato%20Day%202010/2010_0918ostrava20100119.jpg)
OT-90
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/NATO%20Day%202008/2008_0920natoday080086.jpg)
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I found this on Track-Link this morning and it certainly looks convincing:
BMP with LAV Turret built by Diethelm Berlage (http://www.track-link.net/gallery/7381) (Images can not be hot-linked so click on the html to see it).
Now how about a BMP with:
Bradley turret?
Marder turret?
Warrior turret?
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Interesting...could also reverse it maybe...Marder with BMP-1 turret?
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Here's a list of variants in the BMP family with some different turrets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-1_variants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-1_variants)
Regards,
John
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This BMP looks very interesting. I suspect it might be a bit on the cramped side inside though.
Click to view larger image
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Remotely_Operated_Turrent_System_on_a_BMP-1%2C_Ysterplaat_Airshow%2C_Cape_Town.jpg/220px-Remotely_Operated_Turrent_System_on_a_BMP-1%2C_Ysterplaat_Airshow%2C_Cape_Town.jpg) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Remotely_Operated_Turrent_System_on_a_BMP-1%2C_Ysterplaat_Airshow%2C_Cape_Town.jpg)
(Image source: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Remotely_Operated_Turrent_System_on_a_BMP-1,_Ysterplaat_Airshow,_Cape_Town.jpg))
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Jeff, perhaps you misread the info. The IST Dynamics UMWP is an Un Manned Weapons Platform (ie: no-one in the turret).
Regards,
John
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Jeff, perhaps you misread the info. The IST Dynamics UMWP is an Un Manned Weapons Platform (ie: no-one in the turret).
With all of the vehicle electronics and spare rounds it is not going to be a very plush ride inside of that thing. The BMP was cramped to start with and adding in all of the bells and whistles is going to make for a lot of sharp corners to bump into on the inside.
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Ah ok. I thought you meant the turret itself.
Most ex-Sov armoured vehicles are cramped by nature. I think they tend to shoehorn everything into every space rather than worry about creature-comforts like the West.
Regards,
John
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Ah ok. I thought you meant the turret itself.
Most ex-Sov armoured vehicles are cramped by nature. I think they tend to shoehorn everything into every space rather than worry about creature-comforts like the West.
The end user should be grateful that they company did not attempt to fit all of that kit into a BMD ;)
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some interesting colour schemes there .... Aqua-blue :icon_fsm:
That BMP with Lav-25 turret model is of a real demo machine.
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couple more old ones ...
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Just as there is now a tracked Stryker, so too is there a wheeled BMP-2.
(http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/asia/india/exhibition/defexpo_2012/pictures/Chakra_Rath_wheeled_BM-2_Indian_defence_industry_technology_at_DefExpo_2012_Defence_Exhibition_India_New_Delhi_001.jpg)
Wow.
(http://alternathistory.org.ua/files/resize/users/user335/dsc02666ha-650x488.jpg)
Oh my. I'm going to be sick. It looks like someone faxed a fuzzy photo of the Fahd 280-30 and there was a paper jam as it was printing. Then they built something to match the picture.
(http://wartime.org.ua/uploads/posts/2012-04/1333723757_6.jpg)
It also looks eerily similar to the Hammerhead-i Eagle Thrust.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7016/6652556861_811ce66b25_o.jpg)
At least we know India's watching Top Gear.
In case anyone wants to subject their eyes to a further round of retinal bombardment, it's called the Chakra Rath (which I can only assume means something quite derogatory in Hindi) and more pictures can be found at the link below.
http://alternathistory.org.ua/indiiskii-variant-modernizatsii-bmp-2 (http://alternathistory.org.ua/indiiskii-variant-modernizatsii-bmp-2)
There's even a walkaround video on YouTube.
http://youtu.be/oE3MVaEfJLY (http://youtu.be/oE3MVaEfJLY)
Wow. Just...wow.
Cheers,
Logan
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Oh dear. What's next? A wheeled MT-LB?
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Not much ground clearance under the leaf-springs is there? The tyres look either flat or overloaded. I doubt the value of it in cross-country driving as well, with that large gap between the front and rear wheels. Internal security vehicle perhaps? Technology demonstrator? Spoof?
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Wow - that last time I saw an idea as bad as that, it was in a black and white photo from the 1930s....... ???
If you wanted to recycle old BMP-1s into wheeled AFVs, it'd make far more sense to buy the bare hulls of a properly designed vehicle (there must be at least a dozen to choose from) and then swap all the BMP subsystems onto them. That Kadr Fahd in Logan's post has got to be the first obvious candidate.
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Not much ground clearance under the leaf-springs is there? The tyres look either flat or overloaded. I doubt the value of it in cross-country driving as well, with that large gap between the front and rear wheels. Internal security vehicle perhaps? Technology demonstrator? Spoof?
From what I read, it's a proof of concept vehicle for urban fighting. Even as a proof of concept, there is so much wrong with this. By the way, it's 2x6. Only the front axle is apparently driven at the moment. I imagine the turning radius for the vehicle to be only slightly larger than Trafalgar square. The gun elevation on BMPs has always left something to be desired and the standard vehicles were know to be death traps in Grozny. This just has "bad idea" written all over it (in Hindi).
Cheers,
Logan
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Did someone say wheeled BMP?
This is the Obyekt (Object) 19 experimental configurations hybrid 'wheeled _ tracked' BMP-1 prototype.
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Obyekt (Object) 1200 8x8 competitor to the winning Obyekt 765, which became the BMP-1 (it lacked cross country mobility, compared to the more expensive, but more mobile
Obyekt 765)
M.A.D
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More Obyekt (Object) 1200 8x8
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I'm familiar with both of those. They're both pretty good looking, I think--especially the 8x8.
Cheers,
Logan
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Can't say I like the rear engine with narrow door on the 8x8. It's not quite as bad as the BTR-60 et al, but it's still sub-optimal. I know that vehicles like the V-150 and the Ratel had rear engines and half-width rear doors too, but then they also had side doors, so troops could exit in all directions.
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No idea:
(http://i.imgur.com/ba0nm1C.jpg)
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Looks like a BMP-1 with some kind of aircraft gun pod fitted to the turret roof.
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Looks like a BMP-1 with some kind of aircraft gun pod fitted to the turret roof.
That appears to be an upside down UPK-23-250 23 mm gun pod (twin 23mm cannon) that was often seen on Russian Su-15 Flagon interceptors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-15) mounted in pairs on the fuselage.
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I think you're correct - what I was commenting upon was that I have no idea of why this was fitted.
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I could probably model that with all the UPK-23 pods I've got now. What would make more sense to me would be to have it mounted on say, a BRDM-2, thereby massively increasing it's firepower and not causing an access problem since the BRDM turret doesn't have a hatch anyway. Have it assigned to a Frontal Aviation "base defence platoon", as if the Russian air force had it's own equivalent of the RAF Regiment. It could have sister vehicles with UV-57 rocket pods in a similar mounting... >:D
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Have it assigned to a Frontal Aviation "base defence platoon", as if the Russian air force had it's own equivalent of the RAF Regiment.
I like your thinking.
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I think you're correct - what I was commenting upon was that I have no idea of why this was fitted.
Left over equipment from the Russian Afghanistan tour where expedient things such as this were tried out and sometimes worked rather well. If you think about the latest BMP-T you can realize the evolution that took place from the gun pod on top to a dedicated high rate of fire weapon system.
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Just had a brainwave.... :o ;)
The Soviet Air Force sees how flexibly Harriers operated in the Falklands and decides to conduct a large scale trial in Afghanistan. The idea is that Yak-38s will operate from dispersed forward STOL bases to provide faast-reacting CAS, and the effectiveness of this will then be evaluated against the "loitering cover" approach represented by the Su-25 ("the grasshoppers against the rooks" as somebody puts it). The V/STOL proponents gloss over the logistics and base security issues, assigning very light forces to the latter role.
It starts off well, but the Mujahadeen quickly figure out where the aircraft are based, just how lightly defended they are, and start launching successful rocket and mortar attacks against them, destroying a number of aircraft. The general in charge of the "grasshopper" force feels he can't ask for reinforcements without it looking like a failure politically, so the base defence teams are told sharply to raise their game.
The base defence teams are very lightly equipped and largely with the wrong equipment, principally anti-aircraft weapons. The Zu-23 AAA guns are useful, but they're static and there arn't enough to cover the perimter of every base. The heaviest armour they have is the BRDM-2 scout car, but it's two machine-guns, which lack elevation, arn't enough. However the teams do have access to their squadrons' workshops and armories, so one enterprising young office comes up with a plan.
On the base defence teams' standard TOE are several SA-9 SAM vehicles, based on the BRDM-2 hull, which are basically a waste of space in the current situation since there are no enemy aircraft to shoot at. He therefore orders that the vehicles' missile boxes be removed and replaced with either a pair of UV-57 rocket pods or a pair of UPK-23 cannon pods as used on the Forgers. These prove a great success. The vehicles can quickly race to wherever an attack is happening and return fire quickly. If the attack is from rockets or mortars, then the UV-57 vehicles are used to plaster the launch area with their own rockets in classic "katyushka" style. If the attack is direct fire from snipers or machine-guns, then the cannon-pod vehicle can outgun them in return. As for a direct assault, well the Mujahadeen only tried that once..... :o
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Didn't they actually trial the Yak-38 in Afghanistan? I seem to remember seeing pictures somewhere.
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Yes, 4 Yak-38s were trialled in Afghanistan in 1980.
Here is a photo supposedly showing one:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/imagejpg1_zps0e62cc23.jpg).
And if you watch this video there is some footage of them operating (its around the 10:00 mark):
SMOTR: Yak-38 in Afghanistan! (English subtitles) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doHPQ96HPfQ#)
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Yes, 4 Yak-38s were trialled in Afghanistan in 1980.
Here is a photo supposedly showing one:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/imagejpg1_zps0e62cc23.jpg[/url]).
And if you watch this video there is some footage of them operating (its around the 10:00 mark):
SMOTR: Yak-38 in Afghanistan! (English subtitles) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doHPQ96HPfQ#[/url])
WOW, on unimproved ground. wonder if they claim to have solved that...thank you for posting GTX.
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No idea:
([url]http://i.imgur.com/ba0nm1C.jpg[/url])
Helluva a find Greg. Life is stranger than fiction :-\
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I wonder why the vehicles have ticks sprayed on them? ???
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probably means they've been checked for unsafe ammo, booby-traps & contaminants etc.
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This is the Obyekt (Object) 19 experimental configurations hybrid 'wheeled _ tracked' BMP-1 prototype.
More images of this early BMP-1 contender:
(http://www.armyrecognition.com/customer/thierry/russia/divers/01.jpg)
(http://www.armyrecognition.com/customer/thierry/russia/divers/02.jpg)
(http://www.armyrecognition.com/customer/thierry/russia/divers/03.jpg)
(http://www.armyrecognition.com/customer/thierry/russia/divers/04.jpg)
(http://www.armyrecognition.com/customer/thierry/russia/divers/05.jpg)
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One would think that, given the showings BMP-1s and BMP-2s gave on battlefields throughout their history, those who plan to keep them would try to make them better-protected.
Few seem to have tried (http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.ca/2014/05/slovakia-army-bmp2-upgrade.html) even though those older BMPs still seem to be here to stay......
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Some have tried:
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/bcpN64kt7k8.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/dmz5U0GWVA4.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/naRGYNGEf3I.jpg)
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Another upgraded one:
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/64c89a96c8ff8e8930eb1de563479fd3b3888992154aa075d6e7f1e9e8714bd0.jpg)
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No comment:
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/62167d196cf72fed7ac8f58d2684aefc6e281af90d6e87d32ccf5410c191073a.jpg)
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No comment:
;D Still, someone is going to have to do a PE set for that one!
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Up armoured BMP-1:
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6x6T7ih1uGs/VzDuqIEJvVI/AAAAAAAAF94/Pgd2zRzM7GY1G_540WFd8DQLtTj4OGx9wCLcB/s1600/7680.png)
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No comment:
If it's stupid but it works, it's not stupid.
Still, the crew should rig it with Christmas tree lights.
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The hull of the Boragh armored personnel carrier is similar in many respects to that of the Russian BMP-1 and its Chinese copy, the Type 86, infantry fighting vehicle. The main difference is that the Boragh has a simple 12.7 mm machine gun cupola and its road wheels are similar to those of the US M113 APC, which is used in large numbers in Iran. The Boragh is produced by refurbishing older BMP-1 hulls.
It is claimed that the Boragh is even better protected than the BMP-1. Vehicle is fitted with NBC protection system. Some sources claim that its add-on armor withstands 30 mm armor-piercing projectiles. The vehicle can lay its own smoke screen by injecting diesel fuel into the exhaust outlet.
The Boragh is armed with a shielded 12.7 mm machine gun.
The driver is seated at the front of the hull on the left side with the engine compartment to his right. The commander/machine gunner is seated in the center of the hull with the troop commander at the rear. The troops are seated down the center of the vehicle facing outwards and enter the vehicle via two doors in the hull rear. Firing ports and associated vision devices allow the troops to fire their weapons from within the hull.
This armored personnel carrier is fitted with a more powerful engine, than its predecessor. Presumably it is a Chinese powerpack of the Type 86, developing 330 hp. The Boragh has a reduced weight comparing with Russian and Chinese IFVs, as its turret has been removed. This APC is fully amphibious with the minimum of preparation, being propelled in the water by its tracks. Before entering the water a trim vane is erected at the front of the hull and bilge pumps are switched on.
Variants
Anti-aircraft version, fitted with twin 23 mm anti-aircraft guns mounted on the roof, completed with protective shielding for the gunners. Extra ammunition is carried at the rear of the hull roof.
Infantry fighting vehicle, fitted with a complete 30 mm turret of the BMP-2. Externally this version is very similar to the BMP-2. It seems that this version never reached production.
ATGW carrier, fitted with Toophan anti-tank guided weapon system.
Mortar carrier, armed with a 120 mm mortar. It has a raised rear roofline. Secondary armament consists of a 12.7 mm machine gun.
Ammunition resupply vehicle. It has a larger can and open-topped rear area, covered with a canvas roof. It seems that this version did not reached production.
[Source (http://www.military-today.com/apc/boragh.htm)]
(http://www.military-today.com/apc/boragh.jpg)
(http://www.military-today.com/apc/boragh_l3.jpg)
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BMP-2 with Bakhcha-U turret (the same one as used on the BMP-3).
In exchange for the greater firepower, the vehicle is no longer amphibious and now carries a five-man dismount team.
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BMP-2 with hatch-mounted 30mm AGS-17 grenade launcher, operated by South Africa mercenaries (EXECUTIVE OUTCOMES) in Angola, 1994.
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c4/15/62/c41562c82815a0167f276648aeee8c17.jpg)
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Although not a BMP per se, one might be able to use this hover vehicle as inspiration for a BMP development:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9h33Z8XYAYEiWV?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9h33vQWsAAaqka?format=png&name=small)
(https://external-preview.redd.it/CBl7g1tmMKN5RhnmHlNK2SNxeWcwO0ZDeOagllPFEi4.jpg?auto=webp&s=fb9245fbf8cb2d1d20ed305fc236c8cdf5e08c02)
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Such large fans. Was it a hover vehicle or are those just for cooling?
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Although not a BMP per se, one might be able to use this hover vehicle as inspiration for a BMP development:
Meet Vladimir Levkov and his incredible impossible invasion machines.
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/5ac7398bd8e1308b7a7966d165ba6db1/tumblr_oziy46uiDt1w636mro1_500.jpg)
https://www.guns.com/news/2012/05/05/russia-soviet-secret-hover-tank-vladimir-levkov (https://www.guns.com/news/2012/05/05/russia-soviet-secret-hover-tank-vladimir-levkov)
https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/08/30/levkovs-hovercraft/ (https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/08/30/levkovs-hovercraft/)
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Such large fans. Was it a hover vehicle or are those just for cooling?
Hover vehicle - Object 760. See video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaAhdtQA4xI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaAhdtQA4xI)
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/OFB_105mm_SPH_specs.jpg)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/OFB_105mm_SPH_cimg26711.jpg)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/OFB_105mm_SPH_CIMG2669.JPG)
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Although not a BMP per se, one might be able to use this hover vehicle as inspiration for a BMP development:
Meet Vladimir Levkov and his incredible impossible invasion machines.
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/5ac7398bd8e1308b7a7966d165ba6db1/tumblr_oziy46uiDt1w636mro1_500.jpg)
(https://external-preview.redd.it/CBl7g1tmMKN5RhnmHlNK2SNxeWcwO0ZDeOagllPFEi4.jpg?auto=webp&s=fb9245fbf8cb2d1d20ed305fc236c8cdf5e08c02)
These pics are obviously of a 1950's B movie prop vehicle. I'm sure it's crewed by men and women in silver "space suits", with the women's suits especially tight fitting.
MOD EDIT: Fixed quotes (I think). ChernayaAkula.
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Russia Zed Column BMP1 in the Ukraine
(https://www.newsnpr.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Russian-official-Operation-in-Ukraine-slower-than-expected.jpg)
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(https://www.reuters.com/resizer/EIja2cHLWggVhvP0dTZK52q8wss=/960x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/PZASKYKTTNOJ3G2ZBSG7FMU4L4.jpg)
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Oopps...
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Reminds me of a wet version of the Highway of Death.
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No comment:
;D Still, someone is going to have to do a PE set for that one!
I wonder if it can get HBO?
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(https://www.reuters.com/resizer/EIja2cHLWggVhvP0dTZK52q8wss=/960x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/PZASKYKTTNOJ3G2ZBSG7FMU4L4.jpg)
They don't seem to get the concept that you need to keep the doors shut to keep the hull watertight.
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(https://www.reuters.com/resizer/EIja2cHLWggVhvP0dTZK52q8wss=/960x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/PZASKYKTTNOJ3G2ZBSG7FMU4L4.jpg)
They don't seem to get the concept that you need to keep the doors shut to keep the hull watertight.
They hadn't had a bath for two weeks! :o
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(https://i.imgur.com/0I7elJv.png)
Russia Shows off Its T-90M Repair Facility Close to the Frontline -- And Geolocates It
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obh5RDwUULc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obh5RDwUULc)
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(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iFtjtkhCLNE/XeJjSt6SyOI/AAAAAAAAPvs/85weDzMaaiYSJyC8C5nJb_fIdGaXCrZbACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/prototypes.jpg)
https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2017/03/field-disassembly-bmp-1.html
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(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iFtjtkhCLNE/XeJjSt6SyOI/AAAAAAAAPvs/85weDzMaaiYSJyC8C5nJb_fIdGaXCrZbACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/prototypes.jpg)
https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2017/03/field-disassembly-bmp-1.html
Look back a few pages in this thread and you will see photos.
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https://mil.in.ua/en/blogs/ukraine-develops-bmp-weapon-station-and-unusual-armor-for-it/
(https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Bojovyj-modul-dlya-bmp-1536x1058.png)
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https://mil.in.ua/en/blogs/ukraine-develops-bmp-weapon-station-and-unusual-armor-for-it/
Interesting to see mention of the West German origins - Blohm+Voss with Clouth Gummiwerke - of this composite perforated armour plate approach. I'm guessing that this RWS is a development of Progress' KBA-105ТB Shkval-А station.