Author Topic: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)  (Read 21856 times)

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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2014, 02:55:07 AM »
Have it assigned to a Frontal Aviation "base defence platoon", as if the Russian air force had it's own equivalent of the RAF Regiment.

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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2014, 03:25:28 AM »
I think you're correct - what I was commenting upon was that I have no idea of why this was fitted.
Left over equipment from the Russian Afghanistan tour where expedient things such as this were tried out and sometimes worked rather well.  If you think about the latest BMP-T you can realize the evolution that took place from the gun pod on top to a dedicated high rate of fire weapon system. 
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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2014, 03:41:43 AM »
Just had a brainwave.... :o ;)

The Soviet Air Force sees how flexibly Harriers operated in the Falklands and decides to conduct a large scale trial in Afghanistan. The idea is that Yak-38s will operate from dispersed forward STOL bases to provide faast-reacting CAS, and the effectiveness of this will then be evaluated against the "loitering cover" approach represented by the Su-25 ("the grasshoppers against the rooks" as somebody puts it). The V/STOL proponents gloss over the logistics and base security issues, assigning very light forces to the latter role.

It starts off well, but the Mujahadeen quickly figure out where the aircraft are based, just how lightly defended they are, and start launching successful rocket and mortar attacks against them, destroying a number of aircraft. The general in charge of the "grasshopper" force feels he can't ask for reinforcements without it looking like a failure politically, so the base defence teams are told sharply to raise their game.

The base defence teams are very lightly equipped and largely with the wrong equipment, principally anti-aircraft weapons. The Zu-23 AAA guns are useful, but they're static and there arn't enough to cover the perimter of every base. The heaviest armour they have is the BRDM-2 scout car, but it's two machine-guns, which lack elevation, arn't enough. However the teams do have access to their squadrons' workshops and armories, so one enterprising young office comes up with a plan.

On the base defence teams' standard TOE are several SA-9 SAM vehicles, based on the BRDM-2 hull, which are basically a waste of space in the current situation since there are no enemy aircraft to shoot at. He therefore orders that the vehicles' missile boxes be removed and replaced with either a pair of UV-57 rocket pods or a pair of UPK-23 cannon pods as used on the Forgers. These prove a great success. The vehicles can quickly race to wherever an attack is happening and return fire quickly. If the attack is from rockets or mortars, then the UV-57 vehicles are used to plaster the launch area with their own rockets in classic "katyushka" style. If the attack is direct fire from snipers or machine-guns, then the cannon-pod vehicle can outgun them in return. As for a direct assault, well the Mujahadeen only tried that once..... :o   
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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2014, 08:54:31 AM »
Didn't they actually trial the Yak-38 in Afghanistan?  I seem to remember seeing pictures somewhere.

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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2014, 04:55:56 PM »
Yes, 4 Yak-38s were trialled in Afghanistan in 1980.

Here is a photo supposedly showing one:

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And if you watch this video there is some footage of them operating (its around the 10:00 mark):

SMOTR: Yak-38 in Afghanistan! (English subtitles)
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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2014, 09:28:32 PM »
Yes, 4 Yak-38s were trialled in Afghanistan in 1980.

Here is a photo supposedly showing one:

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And if you watch this video there is some footage of them operating (its around the 10:00 mark):

SMOTR: Yak-38 in Afghanistan! (English subtitles)


WOW, on unimproved ground. wonder if they claim to have solved that...thank you for posting GTX. 

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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2014, 11:02:07 PM »
No idea:




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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2014, 12:10:53 AM »
I wonder why the vehicles have ticks sprayed on them? ???
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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2014, 03:09:31 AM »
probably means they've been checked for unsafe ammo, booby-traps & contaminants etc.

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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2015, 05:33:50 AM »

This is the Obyekt (Object) 19 experimental configurations hybrid 'wheeled _ tracked' BMP-1 prototype.



More images of this early BMP-1 contender:





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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2015, 12:28:07 PM »
One would think that, given the showings BMP-1s and BMP-2s gave on battlefields throughout their history, those who plan to keep them would try to make them better-protected.

Few seem to have tried even though those older BMPs still seem to be here to stay......
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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2015, 01:34:41 PM »
Some have tried:



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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2017, 03:02:43 AM »
Another upgraded one:

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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2017, 02:48:09 AM »
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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2017, 07:51:57 AM »
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 ;D  Still, someone is going to have to do a PE set for that one!
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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2017, 05:42:49 AM »
Up armoured BMP-1:


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« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2017, 04:46:29 AM »
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If it's stupid but it works, it's not stupid.

Still, the crew should rig it with Christmas tree lights.

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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2018, 11:31:01 AM »
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The hull of the Boragh armored personnel carrier is similar in many respects to that of the Russian BMP-1 and its Chinese copy, the Type 86, infantry fighting vehicle. The main difference is that the Boragh has a simple 12.7 mm machine gun cupola and its road wheels are similar to those of the US M113 APC, which is used in large numbers in Iran. The Boragh is produced by refurbishing older BMP-1 hulls.

   It is claimed that the Boragh is even better protected than the BMP-1. Vehicle is fitted with NBC protection system. Some sources claim that its add-on armor withstands 30 mm armor-piercing projectiles. The vehicle can lay its own smoke screen by injecting diesel fuel into the exhaust outlet.

   The Boragh is armed with a shielded 12.7 mm machine gun.

   The driver is seated at the front of the hull on the left side with the engine compartment to his right. The commander/machine gunner is seated in the center of the hull with the troop commander at the rear. The troops are seated down the center of the vehicle facing outwards and enter the vehicle via two doors in the hull rear. Firing ports and associated vision devices allow the troops to fire their weapons from within the hull.

   This armored personnel carrier is fitted with a more powerful engine, than its predecessor. Presumably it is a Chinese powerpack of the Type 86, developing 330 hp. The Boragh has a reduced weight comparing with Russian and Chinese IFVs, as its turret has been removed. This APC is fully amphibious with the minimum of preparation, being propelled in the water by its tracks. Before entering the water a trim vane is erected at the front of the hull and bilge pumps are switched on.

Variants

   Anti-aircraft version, fitted with twin 23 mm anti-aircraft guns mounted on the roof, completed with protective shielding for the gunners. Extra ammunition is carried at the rear of the hull roof.

   Infantry fighting vehicle, fitted with a complete 30 mm turret of the BMP-2. Externally this version is very similar to the BMP-2. It seems that this version never reached production.

   ATGW carrier, fitted with Toophan anti-tank guided weapon system.

   Mortar carrier, armed with a 120 mm mortar. It has a raised rear roofline. Secondary armament consists of a 12.7 mm machine gun.

   Ammunition resupply vehicle. It has a larger can and open-topped rear area, covered with a canvas roof. It seems that this version did not reached production.

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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2018, 03:30:27 PM »
BMP-2 with Bakhcha-U turret (the same one as used on the BMP-3).

In exchange for the greater firepower, the vehicle is no longer amphibious and now carries a five-man dismount team.
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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2020, 08:01:23 PM »
BMP-2 with hatch-mounted 30mm AGS-17 grenade launcher, operated by South Africa mercenaries (EXECUTIVE OUTCOMES) in Angola, 1994.

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Re: BMP Family of Vehicles (BMP-1, BMP-2, BMP-3, BMP-XXX, etc.)
« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2020, 03:03:07 AM »
Although not a BMP per se, one might be able to use this hover vehicle as inspiration for a BMP development:



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« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2020, 08:42:57 AM »
Such large fans.  Was it a hover vehicle or are those just for cooling?

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« Reply #47 on: April 17, 2020, 01:46:38 AM »
Although not a BMP per se, one might be able to use this hover vehicle as inspiration for a BMP development:

Meet Vladimir Levkov and his incredible impossible invasion machines.



https://www.guns.com/news/2012/05/05/russia-soviet-secret-hover-tank-vladimir-levkov

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/08/30/levkovs-hovercraft/

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« Reply #48 on: April 17, 2020, 02:12:50 AM »
Such large fans.  Was it a hover vehicle or are those just for cooling?

Hover vehicle - Object 760.  See video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaAhdtQA4xI
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« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2021, 02:10:09 AM »


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