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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2014, 10:48:48 AM »
*snicker* That could work, particularly if some of the Komoran seekers got replaced by suitable ARM seekers (perhaps something similar to those used in ARMAT?).

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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2014, 10:51:15 AM »
*snicker* That could work, particularly if some of the Komoran seekers got replaced by suitable ARM seekers (perhaps something similar to those used in ARMAT?).

Food for thought!

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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2014, 02:30:05 AM »
Random idea:  Japanese F-105 in scheme similar to this:

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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2014, 10:38:07 AM »
F-105 meets SU-22. Inspired by a thread on another site.

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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: November 05, 2014, 09:24:39 AM »
I was just thinking about using the Wild Weasel version with two seats and all the extra lumps and bumps. Would be nice to accommodate some radar tracking and countermeasures equipment.

^ This with four Harpoon in South Korean markings.  ;D

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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2014, 09:47:07 AM »
I was just thinking about using the Wild Weasel version with two seats and all the extra lumps and bumps. Would be nice to accommodate some radar tracking and countermeasures equipment.

^ This with four Harpoon in South Korean markings.  ;D

KPN? What KPN?  ;D

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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #56 on: November 06, 2014, 01:41:17 AM »
A couple ideas for a RAF strike version of the F-105: A bulged spine like that of the T-Stick II installation but containing British avionics for all-weather strike and, internally only, the J75 replaced by an Olympus 300R from the TSR.2 (either as a supplement/complement to the TSR.2 or as a replacement after the cancellation).

A possible alternative could have an RR Conway for better fuel consumption, Red Beard in the bomb bay (Freightdog do a 1/72nd one) and lower-spec TSR.2 avionics, with a smaller radome for the TFRF and the cannon deleted to make way for the SLAR aerials.
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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #57 on: November 06, 2014, 02:07:58 AM »
Yes, the RR Conway is an alternate option if you needed it to get the desired range.  Really, what I'd like to have in there is an afterburning Medway for a generation newer engine technology and even better dry fuel economy.

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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: November 06, 2014, 02:47:36 AM »
That'd be interesting. One of the perennial dilemmas in concocting British whiff histories is the Spey: do you allow BEA to go ahead and screw up the Trident by demanding it be made smaller, but in the process causing the creation of the Spey, which was ideal for many combat aircraft projects, or do you save the Trident, but then get stuck with a Medway which is to big to "save" the Buccaneer? If the RAF were going for the Thud, that would allow you to have a big Trident and a big trurbofan strike aircraft. It doesn't help the Bucc of course, but in a world where the British government is more open to buying US stuff earlier, the FAA might be on Avon-Skyhawks as per my other alt. history anyway.
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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #59 on: November 06, 2014, 03:00:55 AM »
I was thinking of a dry Medway going ahead for the HS.681 stol/vstol transport and the basic engine then being developed as an afterburning powerplant for other uses.  It was the engine chosen for that aircraft, so this isn't too far out.  This gives you the early Spey, which later became the Spery Jr. for commercial use, for the Buccaneer while still having the Medway for other uses.

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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #60 on: November 04, 2018, 12:45:26 AM »
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AP Number   Designation   Timeframe      Comments     Source

AP 63        F-105A       1954         SAC          Chart
AP 63        F-105B       1955         SAC          Chart
AP 63-5      F-105C       1955         Mockup photos in multiple sources.   SAC Chart
AP-63-10     --           --           Two place all weather F-105      Anderton
AP-63-19     --           July 1960    Proposal for British, French, German Co-production.  British offered option of Olympus B.01.22R. Anderton states F-105D.       Anderton
AP-63-19E(?) --           --           Proposal to Canada for strike attack Interceptor Day Fighter Limited All Weather F-105 with Orenda engine.  (Note: “Limited all-weather” implies that proposal is based on F-105B -or- F-105D with alternate avionics)   Anderton
AP-63-26     --           --           Proposal to Luftwaffe for F-105D version   Anderton
AP 63-31*    F-105D       1957         “All-weather” version of F-105B, revised avionics/radar.   SAC Chart
AP-63-32     --           --           Proposal to Canada : F-105 with advanced Iroquois engine   Anderton
AP 63-33     F-105E       1957-8       Two-seat, reduced fuel version of F-105D.  Anderton has photo of prototype under construction.      SAC Chart
AP-63-??     F-105F       1961-2       *SAC Chart also lists F-105F as AP-63-31 which is unlikely, may be transposed from -31RE block number?   
AP-63-36     --           Sept 1958    Proposal for SR-196 Tactical Strike – Reconnaissance System.  Fuselage stretch may have been basis for F-105F.   Anderton
AP-63-??     “F-105G”     early 1962   Conversion of F-105D to two seat, uprated engine (JT4B-24), added fuel in saddle and speedbump tanks.   Anderton
AP-63-??     "F-105H"     mid-1962     Revised fuselage, added fuel, new wing (added area; folding wingtips) and stabilator, tandem wheel MLG, uprated engine   Anderton
--           F-105G       1966         Air Force conversion of F-105F to EW Weasel – superseded tentative “EF-105F” designation.   
AP-63-??     “F-105D-35RE”  1968       Republic proposal for remanufacture of F-105D fleet with T-Stick II, more fuel, new pylons, possibly rebuilt wing.   Anderton
AP-71        RF-105B      1954         SAC Chart


Anderton also lists these miscellaneous additional AP numbers:


AP 95    Air-to-Surface ballistic Missile (to fit in F-105 weapons bay)
AP 96    Man-in-Space vehicle, proposed to Air Force
AP 99    Strategic air-to-surface ballistic missile
AP 100   VTOL fighter-bomber
AP 106   Parametric study for VTOL aircraft
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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #61 on: November 04, 2018, 04:28:15 AM »
A Luftwaffe one would be interesting in this scheme:

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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #62 on: November 04, 2018, 05:36:32 AM »
And the Olympus powered one for the RAF

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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2018, 07:04:16 PM »
AP 95    Air-to-Surface ballistic Missile (to fit in F-105 weapons bay)
AP 96    Man-in-Space vehicle, proposed to Air Force
AP 99    Strategic air-to-surface ballistic missile
AP 100   VTOL fighter-bomber
AP 106   Parametric study for VTOL aircrat
The what? OK, I can dig that AP95 would have fitted what became SRAM (or two) into the bay. Considering F-105 was a nuclear carrier fulfilling a similar role to F(B)-111 it would have made sense to fit it for SRAM carriage.

As for the rest...
AP96 - all other technical hurdles aside, it would have been "interesting" to thermal protect the F-105 shape for re-entry.
AP99 - does this mean the entire plane is a missile (two carried by a B-52 X-15 style)? Or just that the AP95 missile need not fit the weapons bay?
AP100/106 - just how many liftjets for how many minutes of endurance?

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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #64 on: November 06, 2018, 12:02:20 AM »
AP96 - all other technical hurdles aside, it would have been "interesting" to thermal protect the F-105 shape for re-entry.
This does not necessarily imply high re-entry speeds. Man in Space is not necessarily Man in Orbit.

Virgin Galactic is planning on putting loads of people in space, but none in orbit. And their space plane has no special thermal protection.

Loads of speed range between "space" and "orbit".

Just a thought.

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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #65 on: November 06, 2018, 02:12:51 AM »
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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
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« Reply #67 on: October 04, 2020, 03:20:13 AM »
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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #70 on: July 11, 2021, 07:24:41 AM »
Nice! The Thunderchief really suits that CAF overall green 503-322  :smiley:
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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #71 on: March 20, 2022, 03:48:27 AM »


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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #72 on: October 13, 2022, 02:23:42 AM »
Inspired by ericr

Quote from: ericr link=msg=973105 date=1665041142

https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=37003.msg942002#msg942002


A turboprop Thunderchief is a brilliant idea that I like. :wub:


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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2022, 02:57:41 AM »
Turbo prop otta help takeoff with heavy load.   Biplane version probably a crop duster.

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Re: Republic F-105 "Thunderchief" Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2022, 03:04:55 AM »
'Thunderscreech II' . . .   ;)




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