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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2017, 02:37:52 AM »
Doesn't look quite as good as Carlos', to me. ;)
The MiG-21 wing looks a bit on the small side. More like F-104 proportions.

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2017, 02:53:28 AM »
A few days ago, a Finnish MiG-23 with MiG-21 wing was posted on Facebok:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1616213955088504&set=pcb.1449661188464833&type=3&ifg=1


Looks closer to a Ye-230 operational version without the lift engines.  I'm looking to do something similar, but with the addition of canards.

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2017, 07:23:07 AM »
Looks closer to a Ye-230 operational version without the lift engines.  I'm looking to do something similar, but with the addition of canards.

Canards are a good idea on this one, I think.  :smiley:

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More Flogger re-winging:

Straight 1/1 Mirage F.1 wing transplant:


MiG-23 w F1 wing by Motschke, on Flickr
Looks slightly odd. I think it could be improved by moving the main wings farther aft.

Mirage F.1 wing with some extension bits near the fuselage for a more fitting look. Could also facilitate adding another wing pylon, allowing carriage of an additional AAM per wing:


MiG-23 w F1 wing2 by Motschke, on Flickr

For a 1/72 version, I've thought about nicking the wings of a Trumpeter JH-7 Flying Leopard and cut them to an appropriate span. Since you'd have to graft them onto the Flogger fuselage anyway, I suppose it would be easier than extending the F.1's wings.

« Last Edit: November 28, 2017, 08:07:27 AM by ChernayaAkula »
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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2017, 02:07:11 AM »
 :smiley:
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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2017, 10:27:14 AM »
Mirage 5 + MiG-23


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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2017, 08:02:59 AM »
MiG-23PD/Mirage2K wings
Nice!!  Be a humorous touch to use a Mirage IIIV wing, instead.

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2017, 03:42:36 AM »
New tailfin for MiGs


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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2019, 05:37:27 PM »
MiG-23 with scaloramed F4 body, wings and tail plane. Wheels is at MiG-23 scale.



MiG-23 upgraded with MiG-29 bits


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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2019, 01:38:40 AM »
They're both gorgeous!  :-*
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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2019, 02:33:03 AM »
That lower one looks a bit like the Naval MiG-23K proposed:

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2019, 03:42:49 PM »
MiG-23 with scaloramed F4 body, wings and tail plane. Wheels is at MiG-23 scale.




I suppose a two-engine MiG-27 arrangement (alas smaller and less powerful engines) would make it somewhat VG-winged Jaguarski like 😯 In essence giving it a better operational redundancy - during both peace and in combat  ysi_maniac

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2020, 10:02:23 AM »
MiG-23 upgrade with MiG-29 avionics and AL-31 engine from Su-27.  I could see it for home use in upgrading the MiG-23MLD and for upgrading export MiG-23's for approved customers.

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2020, 02:24:56 AM »
MiG-23 upgrade with MiG-29 avionics and AL-31 engine from Su-27.  I could see it for home use in upgrading the MiG-23MLD and for upgrading export MiG-23's for approved customers.

Well there was the "MiG-23-98" upgrade packages which included a partial "glass cockpit", improved Sapfir radar or new Moskit radar, a comprehensive modern countermeasures suite, and other avionics updates. They would be able to support R-77 (NATO "AA-12 Adder") and the R-27R1 (NATO "AA-10 Alamo") heatseeking dogfighting AAM, associated with the Mikoyan MiG-29 Fulcrum. Surface attack capability would also be enhanced with new targeting systems and weapons.  It never went anywhere though.

I do like your idea though.  Maybe a MiG-23-21st century.  Give it the Phazotron Zhuk-A/AE AESA radar from the MiG-35 though along with the OLS-UEM (13SM-1) electro-optical targeting station from the same.  Also fully upgrade the cockpit to full glass and with HMD.  A Saturn AL-31, especially with thrust vectoring, would be cool though it might be a tad large (diameter wise) for the fuselage.  Might need to give the girl a fatter arse...  (refrained from any dirtier comments ;)).  Also give it R-73 and R-77 missiles.  Might as well also upgrade the cannon to the 30mm GSh-30-1 as well.
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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2020, 05:42:04 PM »
That lower one looks a bit like the Naval MiG-23K proposed:



I've always appreciated the raised canopy design - well for Soviet fighter of the time!!

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2020, 01:22:08 AM »
I've long wondered how to replicate it in plastic.

A MiG-29 canopy heavily modified perhaps?



or perhaps a F-84F one:



Would probably need to play with MiG-23 fuselage and various donors to check fit and where to cut etc.
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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2020, 01:44:43 AM »
That lower one looks a bit like the Naval MiG-23K proposed:



I've always appreciated the raised canopy design - well for Soviet fighter of the time!!
I wonder if the aft clear section over the cockpit of the Mig-21/21f would work for the back section of this canopy?

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2020, 02:41:58 AM »
Maybe:

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2022, 03:29:19 AM »
Carrier based MiG-23Ks:




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