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MiG-23/27 Flogger
« on: October 13, 2012, 04:31:38 AM »
MiG-23 USAF DCAM machine.  Unoriginal and uninspired perhaps, but I'd love to have the new Trumpy kit in said markings abiding in Ye Olde Home.
MiG-23 fixed wing prototype.   Wing plan form similar to the Mirage F.1.   Perhaps OKB MiG had a fixed wing project but this would be different.

MiG-25 (Daryl's only open complaint to be seen on this board ever:  Oh I wish there were a new tool MiG-25!!  :icon_crap: :icon_crap: :icon_crap:).   

MiG-27  US Coast Guard.


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Re: MiG-23/27, 25 and 31
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2012, 04:54:13 AM »
Chinese PLAAF MiG-23
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Re: MiG-23/27, 25 and 31
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2012, 07:59:06 AM »
....as in all white?   
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Re: MiG-23/27, 25 and 31
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2012, 08:40:50 AM »
Yep!
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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2012, 03:56:41 AM »
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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2012, 01:20:44 AM »
like that

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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2012, 02:45:59 AM »
Carrier based MiG-23K proposal:

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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2012, 02:17:37 AM »
Pic of some models -

Chinese built Q-? in Iraqi service at the front and a Soviet naval early Mig-23 at the back.

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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2012, 10:03:30 AM »
The Chinese MiG-23 lookalike was the Nanchang Q-6.
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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2012, 06:15:44 AM »
The Chinese MiG-23 lookalike was the Nanchang Q-6.

Thanks I hd a mental block lol

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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2012, 06:32:09 AM »

MiG-23 fixed wing prototype.   Wing plan form similar to the Mirage F.1.   Perhaps OKB MiG had a fixed wing project but this would be different.



Hmm, actually the concept of a fixed wing, non-STOVL, developed version of the MiG-23PD/23-01 is interesting:




Maybe take standard MiG-23 fuselage (with standard intakes), remove VG Wing, add wing from MiG-21 or maybe Su-15, change landing gear appropriately...hmmm ::)
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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2012, 12:47:51 PM »

MiG-23 fixed wing prototype.   Wing plan form similar to the Mirage F.1.   Perhaps OKB MiG had a fixed wing project but this would be different.



Hmm, actually the concept of a fixed wing, non-STOVL, developed version of the MiG-23PD/23-01 is interesting:




Maybe take standard MiG-23 fuselage (with standard intakes), remove VG Wing, add wing from MiG-21 or maybe Su-15, change landing gear appropriately...hmmm ::)

In 1/72, build ArtModel kit with lift engine bay sealed and converted to more fuel tankage plus suitable underwing hardware.  Conversion to standare MiG-23 inlets is optional; I'm going with the canards from a Kfir instead.

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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2012, 01:36:38 PM »
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?p=975543


The thread is typical in that it is the usual plethora of facts and arguing but the pictures show options for things to do with a MiG-21 and the somewhat misshapen HC/ESCI/Italeri 1:48 kits. 
« Last Edit: October 22, 2012, 01:39:21 PM by Daryl J. »
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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2012, 02:17:17 PM »
Well the Trumpeter MiG-23 arrived today so it was compared as soon as possible to the ESCI kit of the same type.   So, from an Accurist's point of view what is goofed up on the older kit?   Simple:  everything.


That means it's perfect for whatiffing!  :)).  Well, everything is of course, but significant shape issues can lend themselves a favourable jump start on occasion.  At the moment I'm considering scratch building a TSR.2-like main wing for it along with a fuselage stretch.   The older tooling is much more round and svelt than the Chinese kit which would work quite well aesthetically speaking for some previously unknown MiG prototype.
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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2012, 10:02:50 PM »
I would keep in mind the numerous comments about Trumpeters goofs Daryl, I've got a couple of their kits which look, shall we say  ""odd"" ----

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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2012, 12:25:22 AM »
Agreed with  :icon_sueno: completely.   :icon_sueno:

It appears to be much more like the MiG-23 I was loosely examining at the Evergreen Aviation Museum, however, than the ESCI kit.   Given it has the number of parts it does, the chance of it actually being built have fallen waaay down.    The ESCI one, however?  Well........we will see what the Holiday break will bring.   8)
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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2013, 04:36:38 AM »
Some more inspiration:

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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2013, 05:25:25 AM »
More:

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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2013, 05:45:41 AM »
Some more inspiration:




I've got the ArtModel kit and a set of Kfir intakes and canards and I'm looking to do an alternate MiG-23PD; this will definitely advise its stores load out.

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Re: MiG-23/27
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2016, 01:03:43 PM »
The roundels aren't aligned properly, but otherwise I'm surprised at how "right" this looks. Maybe because it's generationally very close to the Viggen.



Looks very right indeed.  :)
Kit-bash idea: Flogger fuselage with Viggen wings?  ???

Flogger-Viggen-mash by Motschke, on Flickr

Perhaps swap the fold-away ventral fin for  two long strakes  (ŗ la F-8 Crusader) and add a hook for a carrier-borne variant?
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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2017, 02:48:43 AM »
That looks great! :)
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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2017, 12:42:18 PM »
Tailed delta Flogger


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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2017, 09:10:07 PM »
A few days ago, a Finnish MiG-23 with MiG-21 wing was posted on Facebok:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1616213955088504&set=pcb.1449661188464833&type=3&ifg=1


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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2017, 09:16:23 PM »
Doesn't look quite as good as Carlos', to me. ;)
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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2017, 12:41:44 AM »
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I really like this and it makes sense as a "quick and dirty" simplified variant
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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2017, 02:37:52 AM »
Doesn't look quite as good as Carlos', to me. ;)
The MiG-21 wing looks a bit on the small side. More like F-104 proportions.

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2017, 02:53:28 AM »
A few days ago, a Finnish MiG-23 with MiG-21 wing was posted on Facebok:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1616213955088504&set=pcb.1449661188464833&type=3&ifg=1


Looks closer to a Ye-230 operational version without the lift engines.  I'm looking to do something similar, but with the addition of canards.

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2017, 07:23:07 AM »
Looks closer to a Ye-230 operational version without the lift engines.  I'm looking to do something similar, but with the addition of canards.

Canards are a good idea on this one, I think.  :smiley:

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More Flogger re-winging:

Straight 1/1 Mirage F.1 wing transplant:


MiG-23 w F1 wing by Motschke, on Flickr
Looks slightly odd. I think it could be improved by moving the main wings farther aft.

Mirage F.1 wing with some extension bits near the fuselage for a more fitting look. Could also facilitate adding another wing pylon, allowing carriage of an additional AAM per wing:


MiG-23 w F1 wing2 by Motschke, on Flickr

For a 1/72 version, I've thought about nicking the wings of a Trumpeter JH-7 Flying Leopard and cut them to an appropriate span. Since you'd have to graft them onto the Flogger fuselage anyway, I suppose it would be easier than extending the F.1's wings.

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2017, 02:07:11 AM »
 :smiley:
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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2017, 10:27:14 AM »
Mirage 5 + MiG-23


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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2017, 08:02:59 AM »
MiG-23PD/Mirage2K wings
Nice!!  Be a humorous touch to use a Mirage IIIV wing, instead.

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2017, 03:42:36 AM »
New tailfin for MiGs


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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2019, 05:37:27 PM »
MiG-23 with scaloramed F4 body, wings and tail plane. Wheels is at MiG-23 scale.



MiG-23 upgraded with MiG-29 bits


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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2019, 01:38:40 AM »
They're both gorgeous!  :-*
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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2019, 02:33:03 AM »
That lower one looks a bit like the Naval MiG-23K proposed:

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2019, 03:42:49 PM »
MiG-23 with scaloramed F4 body, wings and tail plane. Wheels is at MiG-23 scale.




I suppose a two-engine MiG-27 arrangement (alas smaller and less powerful engines) would make it somewhat VG-winged Jaguarski like 😯 In essence giving it a better operational redundancy - during both peace and in combat  ysi_maniac

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2020, 10:02:23 AM »
MiG-23 upgrade with MiG-29 avionics and AL-31 engine from Su-27.  I could see it for home use in upgrading the MiG-23MLD and for upgrading export MiG-23's for approved customers.

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2020, 02:24:56 AM »
MiG-23 upgrade with MiG-29 avionics and AL-31 engine from Su-27.  I could see it for home use in upgrading the MiG-23MLD and for upgrading export MiG-23's for approved customers.

Well there was the "MiG-23-98" upgrade packages which included a partial "glass cockpit", improved Sapfir radar or new Moskit radar, a comprehensive modern countermeasures suite, and other avionics updates. They would be able to support R-77 (NATO "AA-12 Adder") and the R-27R1 (NATO "AA-10 Alamo") heatseeking dogfighting AAM, associated with the Mikoyan MiG-29 Fulcrum. Surface attack capability would also be enhanced with new targeting systems and weapons.  It never went anywhere though.

I do like your idea though.  Maybe a MiG-23-21st century.  Give it the Phazotron Zhuk-A/AE AESA radar from the MiG-35 though along with the OLS-UEM (13SM-1) electro-optical targeting station from the same.  Also fully upgrade the cockpit to full glass and with HMD.  A Saturn AL-31, especially with thrust vectoring, would be cool though it might be a tad large (diameter wise) for the fuselage.  Might need to give the girl a fatter arse...  (refrained from any dirtier comments ;)).  Also give it R-73 and R-77 missiles.  Might as well also upgrade the cannon to the 30mm GSh-30-1 as well.
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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2020, 05:42:04 PM »
That lower one looks a bit like the Naval MiG-23K proposed:



I've always appreciated the raised canopy design - well for Soviet fighter of the time!!

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2020, 01:22:08 AM »
I've long wondered how to replicate it in plastic.

A MiG-29 canopy heavily modified perhaps?



or perhaps a F-84F one:



Would probably need to play with MiG-23 fuselage and various donors to check fit and where to cut etc.
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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2020, 01:44:43 AM »
That lower one looks a bit like the Naval MiG-23K proposed:



I've always appreciated the raised canopy design - well for Soviet fighter of the time!!
I wonder if the aft clear section over the cockpit of the Mig-21/21f would work for the back section of this canopy?

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2020, 02:41:58 AM »
Maybe:

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Re: MiG-23/27 Flogger
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2022, 03:29:19 AM »
Carrier based MiG-23Ks:




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