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Offline ysi_maniac

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Mirage F1 inspiration
« on: July 18, 2012, 10:05:00 AM »



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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2012, 10:55:26 AM »
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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2012, 07:22:00 PM »
How about a high-mounted tailless delta wing, like a mini-CF-105?
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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2012, 12:04:29 PM »
How about a high-mounted tailless delta wing, like a mini-CF-105?

LOL, I just posted the same thing in the Mirage III thread! Priceless!

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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2012, 07:27:38 PM »
LMAO - so does that prove  Convergent Evolution, "great minds think alike" or "fools never differ"???  ;D
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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2012, 01:27:42 PM »
Mirage F.1 with Kfir engine fit?  Might look nice in IDF markings.

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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2012, 01:29:48 PM »
Different.
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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2012, 12:21:57 PM »





Nice Ysi!!
The second (lower drawing also addresses on of the failings of the F1 (and Dassault's designers) elevate/bubble canopy cockpit arrangement!! Something Dassault of all company's should have headed too after all the Israeli air combat experienced gained in Mirage-series fighters!!
Saying this I think the Mirage F1 series would have been the smallest design that VG wings could have been employed ........ saying this it's weight and complexity could have been some-what detrimental - especially with the limited power of French turbojet engines of the time. But don't take this as a negative, I love your idea, and more so your efforts!!!


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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2012, 11:08:04 PM »
^^^^^
My designs are not VG. :D

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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2012, 06:22:30 AM »
Different...but nice. :)
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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2012, 06:36:18 AM »
VTOL version?

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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2012, 06:37:39 AM »
Playing with wings:


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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2012, 09:30:55 AM »
Mirage F1 as a flying boat aka as Sea Mirage F1H (H stands for hydravion), with some retractable devices to prevent large amounts of salty water from entering into the turbojet.



Those retractable devices were a clever idea!  :)

Didn't you also do a jolly nice A-10 seaplane some day?
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2012, 10:22:06 AM »
Love the Narval!!
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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2012, 01:30:46 AM »
 :o :)
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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2013, 02:53:58 AM »
Spinning off from the discussion here and with KittyHawk's new F.1 kits on there way, how about some more ideas?

To begin with, back in the '70s, the Mirage F.1 was widely seen to be the natural successor to the RAAF's Mirage IIIs.  Dassault put in a major effort that also included some very enticing licence production options.  Now taking it a step further, what if the RAAF acquired the F.1 but then the RAN, wanting to stay in the Carrier game, also did so?  Maybe naval Mirage F.1Ms on a new carrier?
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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2013, 06:42:15 AM »
Spinning off from the discussion here and with KittyHawk's new F.1 kits on there way, how about some more ideas?

To begin with, back in the '70s, the Mirage F.1 was widely seen to be the natural successor to the RAAF's Mirage IIIs.  Dassault put in a major effort that also included some very enticing licence production options.  Now taking it a step further, what if the RAAF acquired the F.1 but then the RAN, wanting to stay in the Carrier game, also did so?  Maybe naval Mirage F.1Ms on a new carrier?


I still have a 1/72 Hasegawa F1 I built as RAAF years ago while I was at uni (late 80's early 90s) finished but for serials and small decals and ordinance.  Not in a good state at the moment as I was living with my parents at the time and my dad dropped a load of washing, fresh of the clothes line, on my work bench.  It is one of many old models I still have that need some TLC. 

I actually had a couple of removal boxes full of carefully packed models I was storing at my parents place about a decade ago.  All well and good until dear old mum decided the boxes, as there were mine, were a good place to put my reference library.  Many of the models held up surprisingly well under the weight of various Janes year books, Friedman, Preston etc. but as you could imagine lots of broken under carriage, missing wheels, bombs and missiles.

I am in the process of relocating interstate at the moment so expect many more casualties.

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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2013, 02:57:54 AM »
One I just found online:

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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2013, 02:24:30 PM »
One I just found online:




That is gorgeous! :-*

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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2013, 05:48:13 AM »
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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2013, 07:51:23 AM »
Is the F.1 able to be converted over to carry the IRIS-T and Meteor (or AIM-9x/AIM-120)?  Guided bombs?
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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2013, 08:18:40 AM »
Is the F.1 able to be converted over to carry the IRIS-T and Meteor (or AIM-9x/AIM-120)?  Guided bombs?


Why not?  Certainly gives the Mirage F.1 a slightly different look with either of those missiles.  The Mirage III was cleared to carry the Sidewinder and Falcon in addition to the usual French weaponry and according to the same source the Mirage F.1 was also cleared for the Sidewinder in Greek and Spanish service. 

Something to consider in all of this Daryl is that while the country of origin was France and they were supposedly not part of NATO at the time there was still a lot of cooperation with NATO under the table as it were so you will see a lot of weapons that are common to NATO users also being compatible with French aircraft from the start like the Sidewinder for example.  So you should expect to see common features with NATO and French weapons such as how the weapon is attached (in this case a launch rail) and how the weapon is connected electrically to the aircraft for fire control via the umbilical connection to the missile. 
Not claiming this to be the case in every situation but common sense does sometime prevail on the small details :)
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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2013, 07:10:48 PM »
Despite not being a member, France was a part of the STANAG (Standard Nato Agreement) system which produced many of the agreements on design details which were meant to ensure interoperability between the various NATO forces.   France also regularly exercised with NATO all the way through the 1970s and 80s.  They even had liason officers with NATO HQ.  However, they weren't allowed to be involved directly in high strategy and large scale exercises, despite having forces actually stationed in Germany.  There was an understanding that if the balloon had gone up, they would be a co-belligerent rather than an Ally with NATO.   The further the distance from de Gaulle, the more co-operative France became.


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Re: Mirage F1 inspiration
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2013, 08:20:18 PM »
My , in need of repair, RAAF Mirage F-1 was to have been armed with AIM-7F/M and AIM-9L.  If I can find all the bits Wridgeways removalists (bastards) managed to snap off it may still be so armed, along with a suitable back story.