How about a high-mounted tailless delta wing, like a mini-CF-105?
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Mirage F1 as a flying boat aka as Sea Mirage F1H (H stands for hydravion), with some retractable devices to prevent large amounts of salty water from entering into the turbojet.
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Spinning off from the discussion here ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1133.60[/url]) and with KittyHawk's new F.1 kits on there way, how about some more ideas?
To begin with, back in the '70s, the Mirage F.1 was widely seen to be the natural successor to the RAAF's Mirage IIIs. Dassault put in a major effort that also included some very enticing licence production options. Now taking it a step further, what if the RAAF acquired the F.1 but then the RAN, wanting to stay in the Carrier game, also did so? Maybe naval Mirage F.1Ms on a new carrier?
One I just found online:
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Is the F.1 able to be converted over to carry the IRIS-T and Meteor (or AIM-9x/AIM-120)? Guided bombs?
Weren't the Sidewinder and Magic basically compatible? IIRC they used the same rails and connectors. I wonder if the electronic black boxes were significantly different? I know the RAAF initially put Sidewinders on it's Mirage IIIs and then replaced them later with Magics.I think the RAAF was using AIM-9B from the stock bought for the Sabres and replaced then with the Magic during the early 80s when they reached life of type. I also heard that the 30mm ammo was aged to the point of being dangerous to the firing aircraft, which combined with the missiles being obsolete left the Miricles effectively un armed come 1980.
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That will do for a start, any more info?
I agree, it is one of those aircraft that is often overlooked and yet has had a very successful career.In 1/144, if you want a straight, and not dogtoothed leading edge, use the old Otaki MG-23U kit.
An idea I have is to do. Carrier based, VG wing F.1. I plan to adapt MiG-23 wings to do it.
What happened to the Iraqi Mirage F1s that "escaped" to Iran during the Gulf War? Do they still exist, what sort of condition are they in?
Wiff, they are still in good condition and Iran sells them all to Argentina, including the anti-shipping strike models. Argentina is able to get South African assistance in upgrading them, including BVR missiles.
What about some of the Mirage III operators also being Mirage F1 operators? E.g. Brazil, Columbia, Venezuela, Pakistan...Israel (perhaps leading to a J79-powered version)
Argentina Negotiates with France to Buy 12 Combat Aircraft;
(Source: La Nacion; published June 14, 2016
Although it was recently phased out by France and Spain, its two European operators, the Dassault Mirage F-1C fighter remains an effective fighter, but its in-flight refueling capability could be seen as a potential threat to UK sovereignty over the Falkland Islands. (French AF photo)
PARIS --- Argentina is negotiating with France to purchase 12 Mirage F-1 combat aircraft, and possibly Mirage 2000s, as well as engines to equip the twenty Pucarás that are currently grounded, Argentine Defense Minister Julio Martinez told La Nacion.
Passing through Paris, where he came to attend the Eurosatory armaments exhibition, Martinez was today received for an hour by his French counterpart Jean-Yves Le Drian, with whom he discussed in detail the possibility of that purchase.
"The transaction provides excellent value, and under very favorable conditions," he said. The context of the acquisition has evolved favorably due to the two ministers’ agreement to undertake the operation on a "government-to-government" basis, thereby avoiding intermediaries while taking advantage of the new climate of trust established between the two countries.
"The Argentine Air Force cannot do without supersonic aircraft. Our pilots must be able to train in modern aircraft," said the minister.
Martinez refused however to specify amounts, modes of operation and payment deadlines because "negotiations are not finished." He also acknowledged that even if the United States has offered to sell Argentina their supersonic F-16 fighter, the "French option" is more consistent with the needs of the country:
"The operating cost of the F-16 makes them almost prohibitively expensive," he said. Chile, which has 24 of the aircraft, cannot fly them because every hour in the air costs $ 17,000.
Moreover, considering that the Argentine pilots have known the Mirage for decades, the country would save the costly process of adaptation to a new technology.
Martinez said that "other countries have also proposed their own planes. For example, Italy".
La Nacion knows that the Swedish company Saab has also offered Gripen NG fighters, which will be manufactured under license in Brazil, with technology transfer included.
The minister also pointed out the importance of buying new Astazou engines from Turbomeca -- now called Safran Helicopters Engines -- to retrofit to the twenty [FMA IA-58] Pucara aircraft that are presently grounded. These aircraft could be used for the "surveillance of the northern border, the main transit region for drugs".
"You cannot perform this mission with supersonic aircraft," said Martinez, “but the Pucara is perfectly suited for it."
If successful, these acquisitions would surely lift the spirits of young air force pilots for years, as like their counterparts in the army and navy they lack proper equipment and see their income shrinking, as La Nacion reported yesterday.
"Yes, it is true, the salaries of the armed forces are half those of the metropolitan police. And it is also true that many NCOs will leave for that reason," admitted the minister of defense.
A spanish one with EJ200... Not a bad idea, thanks I'll take note of this :)With a turbofan engine, I don't see as you'd need one as the bypass air should provide sufficient cooling flow. With a straight turbojet like the J79, I believe you would need such a scoop.
In your opinion, need a scoop like the kfir at the base of tail fin ?
Does the United States take the Spanish F-1?
02/13/2017
It has recently transcended the interest of the United States to have more second-hand aircraft to equip its groups with "Aggressors". Because of this, Spain would have made available 12 Mirage F-1 (C.14) aircraft that once lent tasks with Wing 14 at Albacete Air Force Base. These planes, deprogrammed in 2013, would include two in the two-seater version and would be transferred to the US Navy for the training of their pilots under war games with aggressor squads. The transfer would imply a transfer of 12 million euros in favor of Spain, who would be in charge to put them in condition of flight.
Thoughts for that new engine, depending on who's doing the modifications, F404/F414, RM12, EJ200, M88. Personally, I'd go with the EJ200 just to be contrary. If it's the Israelis doing the modifying, the F404/F414 would be most likely, the Swedish, as in my thought, the RM12. any other European country, the EJ200, and, finally, France, the M88. I could see it as an upgrade of the Spanish ones with them installing an EJ200 as part of the upgrade.
I love your idea :D
I have one similar with a F-1B and some part of Kfir :
- nose of C-10
- IFR probe of Kfir
- cockpit instrument panel from C-10 (both seat)
- one piece front canopy (like modern kfir an M2000)
- new engine (but which one ???)
- modern weapons load
Not realistic sure, but it's this of the KH MF1B will be a scrap in a boneyard (like my KH F-1C in progress)
"The operating cost of the F-16 makes them almost prohibitively expensive," he said. Chile, which has 24 of the aircraft, cannot fly them because every hour in the air costs $ 17,000. "
Quote"The operating cost of the F-16 makes them almost prohibitively expensive," he said. Chile, which has 24 of the aircraft, cannot fly them because every hour in the air costs $ 17,000. "
Wow
The true operational cost of operating is really amazing! Even more so when one considers the F-16 was developed as a cost-effective complementary platform to the F-15 in USAF service!
M.A.D
Chinese Mirage F.1 anyone?
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Mirage F.1 with two engines?
So how about a two engine Morage F.1? Maybe similar in size to the Mirage 4000?
| Atar 09K-50 Diameter: 1.021 m Length: 6.589 m Weight: 1582 kg Thrust: 49KN Static Sea Level or 70KN AB | Adour Mk.102 Diameter: 0.782 m Length: 2.969 m Weight: 704 kg Thrust: 22KN Static Sea Level or 30KN AB |
RAAF Mirage F-1 was to have been armed with AIM-7F/M and AIM-9L.
One I just found online:
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What if Kfir were done over Mirage F1?
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😯😯👍RAAF Mirage F-1 was to have been armed with AIM-7F/M and AIM-9L.
Any chance of such a profile ysi_maniac??😯
MAD
IMO these small changes will not have any significance: every AIM-9 have basically the same image and AIM-7 is so dull ...
... But, if one day I feel as to do it, you will get it :smiley: :smiley: :-* :icon_beer:
What if the flow also went to the Mirage F1 with a VG variant?