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Title: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 09, 2012, 04:44:26 AM
Hi folks,

A thread for your Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivative ideas and inspiration.

(http://www.swordmodels.cz/images/SW%2072041%20P-80A%20B.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 09, 2012, 04:45:17 AM
To start with, for anyone who has considered a carrier based P-80, may I direct you here (http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com.au/2011/11/lockheed-p-80a-carrier-trials.html).

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: finsrin on June 09, 2012, 05:40:15 AM
Love that fantastic painting.   :-*
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: raafif on June 09, 2012, 09:50:10 AM
prone-pilot experiment ...
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: apophenia on June 09, 2012, 10:31:44 AM
I always saw the Flight Concepts/Boeing Skyfox rebuild of the T-33 as a potential mini A-10.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: jcf on June 09, 2012, 01:19:33 PM
L-159 'Cruise' missile proposal:
(http://photos.smugmug.com/OLDPB/i-WmpWzk2/0/ef8d93b8/O/L-159_02.png)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: finsrin on June 09, 2012, 01:48:48 PM
I always saw the Flight Concepts/Boeing Skyfox rebuild of the T-33 as a potential mini A-10.

I remember Skyfox from back in 1980s.  Nifty good looking jet.  One was built.
Be cool personal sport jet today with contemporary engines.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: elmayerle on June 09, 2012, 02:07:33 PM
I always saw the Flight Concepts/Boeing Skyfox rebuild of the T-33 as a potential mini A-10.

I remember Skyfox from back in 1980s.  Nifty good looking jet.  One was built.
Be cool personal sport jet today with contemporary engines.
All you'd need would be modern TFE731 engines installed and equipment upgraded to today's standards.  Everything else would work nicely.  I like the idea of a single-seat attack version with nose guns.

Note, if you were to try and do a Skyfox in 1/48, the engine nacelles out of the Hasegawa/Revell Mystere are perfect.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: Daryl J. on June 09, 2012, 10:59:32 PM
Sort of a ''Pre-Dragon Lady" with enlarged air intakes and longer wings, modified RF nose.   
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 10, 2012, 02:53:27 AM
The Cruise missile would be tempting to build.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 10, 2012, 02:58:21 AM
Re the Skyfox, I wonder how one would go bashing a T-33 and a Learjet together...with a lot of PSR to get one?

(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/other/skyfox/skyfox-1.jpg)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/other/skyfox/skyfox-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: arkon on June 10, 2012, 05:45:00 AM
i beleive the skyfox was used in an episode of airwolf as a top secret fighter jet.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: Daryl J. on October 22, 2012, 06:27:39 AM
Large T-33 tip tanks, under wing mini guns, and service in the Middle East/Africa.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: kitnut617 on October 22, 2012, 06:48:29 AM
Re the Skyfox, I wonder how one would go bashing a T-33 and a Learjet together...with a lot of PSR to get one?

I'm sure I read somewhere a model manufacturer was going to produce one, but I just can't find the reference.  It might have been in one of the news letters I get from various websites.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: dy031101 on October 22, 2012, 07:26:08 AM
Say...... what if we throw the Skyfox upgrade into the rocket-armed F-94C?
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: finsrin on October 22, 2012, 08:31:14 AM
Say...... what if we throw the Skyfox upgrade into the rocket-armed F-94C?

Interesting concept.  I like it.   :)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: elmayerle on October 22, 2012, 01:33:04 PM
Re the Skyfox, I wonder how one would go bashing a T-33 and a Learjet together...with a lot of PSR to get one?

([url]http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/other/skyfox/skyfox-1.jpg[/url])
([url]http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/other/skyfox/skyfox-2.jpg[/url])

In 1/48 scale, the engine nacelles from the Hasegawa/Revell Falcon kit are perfect for this conversion because Skyfox used the same supplier.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on April 28, 2013, 12:38:00 PM
A very interesting propeller driven What-If based on the F-80 Shooting Star built by Kees Kuyper and shared at ARC: ------> The Lockheed T-30 (http://www.arcair.com/Gal13/12201-12300/gal12248-T-30-Kuyper/00.shtm)

Click on html or thumbnail to view the model

(http://www.arcair.com/Gal13/12201-12300/gal12248-T-30-Kuyper/01m.jpg) (http://www.arcair.com/Gal13/12201-12300/gal12248-T-30-Kuyper/00.shtm)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 28, 2013, 05:10:16 PM
Wow!  Invited? :)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: raafif on April 29, 2013, 05:26:30 AM
Wow!  Invited? :)

careful ! Kees is known for his European Space whiffs - a bit too way out for here even ? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 29, 2013, 05:48:36 PM
I'm willing to be tested...
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: elmayerle on April 30, 2013, 12:54:14 AM
careful ! Kees is known for his European Space whiffs - a bit too way out for here even ?
For this group?  You jest!!
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: Rickshaw on April 30, 2013, 10:09:21 AM
Wow!  Invited? :)

careful ! Kees is known for his European Space whiffs - a bit too way out for here even ? ;D ;D

I doubt it.  ;D
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on November 10, 2013, 03:44:07 AM
Academy 1:48th scale Lockheed T-33 converted to a T2V Sea Star by Wilfried Eck at Modellversium.De (http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/8-flugzeuge-modern/10842-lockheed-t2v-sea-star-eigenbau.html)

(http://a.modellversium.de/galerie/bilder/8/4/2/10842-tumb.jpg) (http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/8-flugzeuge-modern/10842-lockheed-t2v-sea-star-eigenbau.html)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 25, 2013, 12:45:19 PM
P-80 hybrid propulsion

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/p-80_griffon_hybrid.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/p-80_griffon_hybrid.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: finsrin on December 25, 2013, 06:17:19 PM
Cool  8)
I like it.  Nice to do in styrene.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: Weaver on December 25, 2013, 07:46:05 PM
That looks well doable. The only question would be where do you put the guns? F-94A style wing pods?
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: Silver Fox on December 26, 2013, 05:36:03 AM
Skyfox was shown to the Canadian Forces, stopping at several bases.

It would be nice to do one up as a 414 (EW) Sqdn CE-133, but using the tiptank mounts for Growler-style EW pods. Maybe have them self powered using the turbine from an ALQ pod (the type regular T-birds carried)?
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 26, 2013, 06:20:53 AM
That looks well doable. The only question would be where do you put the guns? F-94A style wing pods?
Or  P-51 style
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: elmayerle on December 26, 2013, 07:55:09 AM
That looks well doable. The only question would be where do you put the guns? F-94A style wing pods?
Or  P-51 style
I'd go with a minimum-change conversion and use F-94-style gun pods; redesigning the wing to stick guns in would be an expensive pain and definitely cut down on rage by eliminating the wing tanks.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 29, 2013, 06:57:16 AM
With P-80 or T-33 1/72 and Intruder 1/100

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/T-33_intruder_1.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/T-33_intruder_1.jpeg.html)

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/T-33_intruder_2.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/T-33_intruder_2.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: Kerick on December 29, 2013, 02:18:32 PM
Great idea!
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 29, 2013, 09:05:02 PM
^^^^ Thanks
BTW: Last one looks like a small Lansen, no?
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: Silver Fox on December 30, 2013, 03:40:58 AM
I KNEW it reminded me of something... yep, it looks like a Lansen in plan form.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 31, 2013, 03:51:48 AM
Swept wings P-80

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/P-80_swept.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/P-80_swept.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: dy031101 on January 01, 2014, 04:34:47 AM
With P-80 or T-33 1/72 and Intruder 1/100

It actually reminds me of Saab 32 (which I always felt to be what a faster, reinvented P-80 might look like)......
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: jcf on January 01, 2014, 05:44:50 AM
(http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS/i-KKqNnFp/0/0a2d8398/O/L-181-1_01.jpg)

(http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS/i-MWNncdK/0/11e19dd4/O/L-204-1_01.jpg)

(http://photos.smugmug.com/OLDPB/i-Tw7N7DX/0/11ae1a77/O/CL352_01.png)
CL352, Seastar based interceptor, Sparrow and Sidewinder.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 01, 2014, 06:14:57 AM
Thanks Jon.

The P-80E has a scaled down F-94C backend. Not sure about the wings. XF-90 maybe?
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: elmayerle on January 01, 2014, 07:22:38 AM
The P-80E has a scaled down F-94C backend. Not sure about the wings. XF-90 maybe?
I don't know that it's that scaled down either, since the two aircraft are pretty much the same size.  I think the wings may stem from the same data as the F-90's so one could be scaled from the other (much as the F404 and F110 share similar nozzle contours, just scaled differently).  I do remember reading that the P-80E started with a T-33 fuselage and went to a single-seat cockpit and canopy while keeping the extra length.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 01, 2014, 08:00:12 AM
I love the VG wing (and tail) one.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: Daryl J. on January 01, 2014, 08:24:15 AM
Via jcf:

(http://photos.smugmug.com/OLDPB/i-WmpWzk2/0/ef8d93b8/O/L-159_02.png)

RF-80 nose.  Early Skunkworks recce drone.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: Silver Fox on January 01, 2014, 11:39:13 AM
P-80E using a T-Bird fuse would let you move the avionics to the rear and mount all the guns. Best of both worlds. :)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 02, 2014, 09:19:44 PM
The P-80E has a scaled down F-94C backend. Not sure about the wings. XF-90 maybe?
I don't know that it's that scaled down either, since the two aircraft are pretty much the same size.  I think the wings may stem from the same data as the F-90's so one could be scaled from the other (much as the F404 and F110 share similar nozzle contours, just scaled differently).  I do remember reading that the P-80E started with a T-33 fuselage and went to a single-seat cockpit and canopy while keeping the extra length.

For the P-80E, I've set aside a P-80, T-33 and a F-94C. What about the wings. The degrees of sweep back appears to be about 20-25o. But for the life of me I cannot find a protractor. Any suggestions on a donor kit? The big issue will be the main gear and its inward retraction. The Heller Saab Lansen comes to mind.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 04, 2014, 08:33:48 PM
Swept wings P-80

([url]http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/P-80_swept.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/P-80_swept.jpeg.html[/url])


I took my Revell G.91 and was able to attach the tail. A very good fit with a bit of PSR.  But the G.91 wings are too small. It appears that in the drawing that they have been scaled up by 5-10%. So the current kit wings are too small. So I'll use F-86 wings cut back by 1/4" or so.

Pictures will be provided later today.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 06, 2014, 02:03:19 AM
Random Idea:

RAF P-80s instead of the dH Vampire…and painted like this:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/ceaa57b18b670eebce4fd3a2049b659b/tumblr_my8807ZRaI1rp8mmoo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: kitnut617 on January 06, 2014, 03:19:21 AM
The Canadian T-33's went through a spell with that camo', so not too far fetched is it ---

http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=64&pg=12 (http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=64&pg=12)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: Silver Fox on January 06, 2014, 06:47:30 AM
133450... I know that old girl! :)

Back when Canadian-based T-Birds were still wearing natural metal the birds assigned to Germany wore camo. There would always be one camo bird in North Bay, we did the heavy maintenance checks for Germany.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: finsrin on January 06, 2014, 09:56:12 AM
This entire thread is awesome.  Love the straight and swept planviews and ideas all of you come up with  :-*
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: kitnut617 on March 22, 2020, 11:56:10 PM
Here's something from SPF that is very interesting --- something I just have to make a model of ----
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 23, 2020, 12:22:12 AM
Noice!

I'll challenge you to a race on this one Robert?

Stabilizers need not be same as photo?
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: kitnut617 on March 23, 2020, 01:15:15 AM
When do you want to start   >:D
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 23, 2020, 02:42:15 AM
How about tomorrow at 12 PM EDT / 10 AM MDT?
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: kitnut617 on March 23, 2020, 03:02:08 AM
OK   :D
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: kitnut617 on March 23, 2020, 03:52:37 AM
The kits I'm going to use have been sourced ----   and I'm ready to go ---
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: elmayerle on March 23, 2020, 06:22:10 AM
The verticals look like they could be sourced from a smaller scale Constellation kit.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: kitnut617 on March 23, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
A definite possibility Evan ----  ;)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 23, 2020, 08:15:13 AM
 or not ....  ;)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: Frank3k on March 23, 2020, 08:29:37 AM
That twin tail T-33 is screaming to be built!

Unfortunately, the cheapest, in stock, non-ebay Constellation is $20... steep for just the fins.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 24, 2022, 02:50:13 AM
(https://i.redd.it/r0hbg40mzk511.jpg)
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: finsrin on April 24, 2022, 06:52:38 AM
 want to build  :smiley:
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: apophenia on April 24, 2022, 09:42:57 AM
For more details, check out https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/lockheed-l-181-fighter-p-80d-p-80e.22855/ (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/lockheed-l-181-fighter-p-80d-p-80e.22855/)

The L-181-2 (P-80D) was basically a single-seat T-33 with a P-80 canopy. Obviously, the L-181-1 (P-80E) also needs swept wings. I wonder if modifyinf Me 262 wings for a slightly greater sweep angle would work?
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: kitnut617 on April 24, 2022, 08:52:01 PM
It looks more like the rear end of an F-94C with a F-80 front end. 

I've got a T2V Seastar prototype conversion build going (slowly), I've used the bits from a F-94B rear keeping the canopy but raised the rear of the cockpit. then added the nose of an F-80.
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: The Big Gimper on April 25, 2022, 01:13:08 AM
Here are a few of my previous P-80 builds:

https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4217.msg67184#msg67184

https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=6501.msg111092#msg111092
Title: Re: Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star and T-33 and derivatives
Post by: ysi_maniac on September 13, 2022, 02:55:22 PM
P-80 with oval intake and 2 x 30mm guns

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/F-80_ovintk.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (http://"https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/9fce508b-dfd5-4c77-880f-182216626753")