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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: finsrin on January 19, 2012, 06:09:05 PM

Title: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on January 19, 2012, 06:09:05 PM
B-36 racing

Going on beyond the piston engine fighter race planes that have been racing since post WW2.
During the early 1960s there could have become a class dedicated to B-36 race planes !
Last flight of one was in 1959.  Beginning 1960, buy surplus and modify for racing.
Imagine them doing pylons like at Reno only the course is longer by X miles with multiple locations for viewing.
Or,,,  they race New York to LA  or  Miami to Seattle.
Title: Re: B-36 racing
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on January 19, 2012, 06:40:42 PM
Or, you could use the B-36 as an airborne pit stop for smaller racing aircraft :^)
Title: Re: B-36 racing
Post by: RussC on January 19, 2012, 07:22:05 PM
Going on beyond the piston engine fighter race planes that have been racing since post WW2.
During the early 1960s there could have become a class dedicated to B-36 race planes !
Last flight of one was in 1959.  Beginning 1960, buy surplus and modify for racing.
Imagine them doing pylons like at Reno only the course is longer by X miles with multiple locations for viewing.
Or,,,  they race New York to LA  or  Miami to Seattle.

  At treetop level!

 Followed by the speed - heavy class with B-58's and Vulcans.
Title: Re: B-36 racing
Post by: Logan Hartke on January 20, 2012, 06:15:02 AM
Qualifying aircraft must be powered by no fewer than 6 engines producing no less than 20,000 hp or its thrust equivalent and must weigh no less than 50 tons.  Something like that for a "B-36 class"?

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: B-36 racing
Post by: finsrin on January 21, 2012, 06:56:56 AM
Would be a significant weight reduction figuring first the USAF removes:  guns, turrets, ammo feeds, gun sights, tail gun radar, main radar & computer (heavy vacuum tube monster as I recall is around 5000lbs), optical bomb sight/system, bomb racks, and whatever else enables it to be a "bomber".
Purchaser can remove stuff like:  cooling system for that vacuum tube monster,  many wire bundles that went to mission equipment, the big generators that produced power for mission equipment (replace with smaller/lighter), accomodations for a full crew, replace gunner blisters with flat (less drag) viewing windows, replace radome on bottom with flat pannel, as obvious items and must be more......
Considering B-36 is designed to carry all the above + fuel + up to 86,000lbs bombs + 20mm ammo  --- at this point it is hotter than any USAF B-36 ever flown.
Title: Re: B-36 racing
Post by: RussC on January 21, 2012, 07:53:58 AM
And keep everyone just up in the greenhouse and dispense with the "tunnel" through the bomb bay. Fair over the nose tip greenhouse.

As long as the tail turret is gone....

Stick a J-58 back there !

Do like the racing Mustangs and crop the wingtips, extending the vertical tail.

Just remember that the airfoil will probably vibrate like a guitar string near mach one. 600 mph might be tops. Bet that much metal moving at that speed would make a sound like no other.
Title: Re: B-36 racing
Post by: finsrin on January 21, 2012, 08:37:45 AM
OH YEA - low level cross country would make for AWESOME spectating !!!  Perhaps 2500ft - 5000ft max above ground.  Love to be there.
Sound! - OMG - like a 100 full throttle freight trains approaching and leaving ???
Engines - right, (rules to enter race) six props (heck - it is a B-36) and option to add up to four jets of owners choice (heck - it is a B-36).
Title: Re: B-36 racing
Post by: Scooterman on January 21, 2012, 11:44:15 AM
THIS.  THREAD.  IS.  AWESOME.

I say find a bunch of 1/144 kits(is there a 1/200 version?) and go for GROUP BUILD!!!  I'm all in!  :icon_ninja:
Title: Re: B-36 racing
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 21, 2012, 12:04:13 PM
What makes you think it didn't already happen...

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2BBc6-JDVWY/TIUvitrXkGI/AAAAAAAAHdU/L-UmpbTLWWQ/s1600/B-33+PEACEMAKER+PASADA+BAJA.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 racing
Post by: Logan Hartke on January 21, 2012, 12:31:12 PM
The B-36 was considered overpowered as it was.  Imagine stripping it down, too.  Later variants could have YB-60-style swept wings.  You could use T56, Tyne, or even T34 turboprops to replace the R-4360s.

Engines - right, (rules to enter race) six props (heck - it is a B-36) and option to add up to four jets of owners choice (heck - it is a B-36).


I don't know, I think the entrants could be kind of visually boring if you limited it that much.  My suggestion was below:

Qualifying aircraft must be powered by no fewer than 6 engines producing no less than 20,000 hp or its thrust equivalent and must weigh no less than 50 tons.


Maybe with an addendum?  No less than 50% of full power must be produced by propellers (to keep it from going all-jet).

Just remember that the airfoil will probably vibrate like a guitar string near mach one. 600 mph might be tops. Bet that much metal moving at that speed would make a sound like no other.


Not at low level, unfortunately.  The main thing holding that plane back was the wing, moreso than the weight or the power.  It always had more than enough power (even with 10 engines total, it cruise on four R-4360s for extra endurance).  Rake the tail, clip the wings (or even better, replace and sweep them), replace the nose with a sleeker, NB-36H-style nose, give it some more thrust, and you could get it going pretty good.

(http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium/convair-nb-36h-alex-arkhipau.jpg)

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: B-36 racing
Post by: elmayerle on January 21, 2012, 02:50:31 PM
Replace the R4360s with P&W T57 engines (turboprop version of the J57, intended for the stillborn C-132) with something like 10,000 shp rating.  Blend with the wings and tail of the YB-60 and a more streamlined nose (either that proposed for the production B-60 or something like the NB-60H nose shown above) to produce quite the moving experience.
Title: Re: B-36 racing
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 04, 2012, 12:46:11 PM
I suppose the NB-36H is in the "Endurance Race"....I'll show my self out....
Title: Re: B-36 racing
Post by: upnorth on February 04, 2012, 08:09:53 PM
Of course, the cool factor would be increased exponentially with contraprops.

I understand that when the Tupolev Bear had all it's props going that it vibrated the air for a fair distance all around and could actually make people nearby feel physically ill from the effect.

Can you imagine what a B-36 with four jets and six contraprops could do going past?
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 19, 2012, 03:55:00 AM
Well there was a turboprop variant (or sorts - actually the VDT which doesn't use a Gas turbine per sae) - the B-36C:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/F111/B36Cinfo2.png)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/F111/B36Cinfo.jpg)

Regards,

Greg

P.S. I have renamed this thread to "B-36 Ideas & Inspiration" so as to encompass all B-36 ideas, not just the racing ones...despite how cool that it.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: upnorth on February 20, 2012, 06:12:18 PM
I was aware of the B-36C concept, but putting the props out in front of the wings just took so much of the cool factor out of the beast. :o
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on February 21, 2012, 10:00:39 AM
Thanks for posting B-36C.  Whatz for me to say;  upnorth already said it.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on November 16, 2013, 01:07:10 PM
I will consider to add here B-36 derivatives like B-60 and C-99

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_YB-60 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_YB-60)
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10289.msg122328.html#msg122328 (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10289.msg122328.html#msg122328)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XC-99 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XC-99)
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2079.0/all.html (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2079.0/all.html)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on November 16, 2013, 01:14:42 PM
Jet version of C-99. This is not mine:
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/C-99_jet.png) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/C-99_jet.png.html)

Liner version of B-60. This is mine:
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Convair_YB-60_liner.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Convair_YB-60_liner.jpg.html)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on November 16, 2013, 11:12:10 PM
Jet version of C-99. This is not mine:
([url]http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/C-99_jet.png[/url]) ([url]http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/C-99_jet.png.html[/url])


Now this is a possibility Carlos --- There's both the XC-99 and XB-60 conversions on the market --- in 1/72 scale too
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: jcf on November 17, 2013, 01:57:57 AM
'Cept do the C-99 with the turboprops that would have powered a production B-60.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2013, 02:53:13 AM
Civilian XC-99 - actually Convair's Model 37:

(http://www.456fis.org/THE%20B-36/CONVAIR%20MODEL%2037.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2013, 02:54:37 AM
and a jet version:

(http://www.456fis.org/THE%20B-36/Convair_Model_6_Jet_Airliner.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2013, 03:03:30 AM
How to turn your B-36 into a B-60 (well, its a start):

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Escanear0028_zpsc4e2fa2c.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2013, 03:04:37 AM
And speaking of turboprop B-60s:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Escanear0029_zpsbec6c952.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2013, 03:07:58 AM
And if the B-36 isn't big enough for you, in 1964 Fairchild Stratos Corporation proposed a modification of the B-36 Peacemaker for transporting the second stage of the Saturn V:

(http://www.air-and-space.com/peacemkr/b36gupx.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on November 17, 2013, 03:08:23 AM
And speaking of turboprop B-60s:

([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Escanear0029_zpsbec6c952.jpg[/url])


Can you email me those please Greg ?
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on November 17, 2013, 03:09:08 AM
'Cept do the C-99 with the turboprops that would have powered a production B-60.

Or with some TF-33's maybe --
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2013, 03:11:17 AM
Can you email me those please Greg ?

Done
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on November 17, 2013, 03:12:33 AM
Can you email me those please Greg ?

Done

Got them,  cheers mate   :)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on November 17, 2013, 03:14:03 AM
'Cept do the C-99 with the turboprops that would have powered a production B-60.

Would there be any drawings of the turbo-prop nacelle themselves Jon ?
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on November 17, 2013, 03:19:34 AM
Here's something I drew up for my XT35 turbo-prop nacelle for the Hughes HK-1, it might work for this with a bit of modification.

The props in the B-60 drawing scale out to 11'-0" diameter, I'd of thought they would've been bigger,  hmm, in my drawing below I'm working on 18'-0" diameter props.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on November 17, 2013, 03:52:40 AM
So does anyone have drawings of the proposed installation of that huge Lycoming liquid-cooled radial engine (R7755) that was proposed for a B-36 upgrade.  I could see that in either a pusher or tractor configuration and, from the Wikipedia, the more production-ready version would have been set up for contra-props from the beginning.  In addition to a B-36 upgrade, I could see this on a F8B-2 and a later-version P-72.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2013, 03:53:47 AM
'Cept do the C-99 with the turboprops that would have powered a production B-60.

Would there be any drawings of the turbo-prop nacelle themselves Jon ?

I can't find anything in my resources.  Though it is interesting to note that the YB-60 used the same pylons/engine mounts as the B-52.

Perhaps simply utilise that from a B-52?

Regarding the Turboprop of choice, engines under discussion by late 1950 included the Pratt & Whitney T34, developing 5,700 hp, the British Bristol coupled Proteus, generating 6,700 hp, and the Allison T40.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2013, 03:56:33 AM
More on airliner versions:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/B-36_Schiffer_A_Comprehensive_History_of_Americas_Big_Stick_zps6cfa0a60.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on November 17, 2013, 04:00:04 AM
Monogram 1/72 kit:  Two forward fuselages glued back to back, upper canopy removed/filled.
Wings from a Revell 1/32 glider.
Relatively small tubes coming off  leading edge of wings with props
Testors Cessna Skymaster main gear fore and aft.
Some simple tail empennage.
Rescribe, paint white.   Put some real solar cell on the dorsal surfaces.
Voila, a1/48 research drone.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on November 17, 2013, 04:05:53 AM
'Cept do the C-99 with the turboprops that would have powered a production B-60.

Would there be any drawings of the turbo-prop nacelle themselves Jon ?

I can't find anything in my resources.  Though it is interesting to not that the YB-60 used the same pylons/engine mounts as the B-52.

Perhaps simply utilise that from a B-52?

Regarding the Turboprop of choice, engines under discussion by late 1950 included the Pratt & Whitney T34, developing 5,700 hp, the British Bristol coupled Proteus, generating 6,700 hp, and the Allison T40.

Four of the T57 nacelles from the XC-132 would also work.  T40 nacelles can be obtained, for drawing purposes, from the Boeing XB-55 (for that matter, I believe Anigrand does one of these in 1/144).

Keep wondering how a C-99 would serve as a basis for a British AEW aircraft, a big brother to their Stratocruiser conversion and, likely an easier conversion to do.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2013, 04:12:37 AM
An early study for the production B-36B airplane. In place of six Pratt & Whitney R-4360 Wasp Major pusher engines, it would instead have used eight XT35-W-1 Curtiss-Wright gas turbines under development at the time. The turbines would have been placed in four tandem nacelles. Top speed would supposedly been 448 mph at 20,000 ft. Convair offered in February 1947 to install the gas turbines on one B-36 test plane. The installation was to have cost less than $1.5 million and was to be finished by April 1948.

Nothing came of the Convair proposal and all B-36Bs were built with an improved R-4360-41  engine generating 500 more horsepower than the B-36A.  The T35 engine was too far in the future for the B-36 and deliveries by Curtiss-Wright were considered too optimistic.  Flight tests of the T35 had been conducted with an installation in the nose of a B-17, but after 17 engines had been built, the contract was canceled by the Air Force. Improved performance for the B-36 was to primarily focus on the VDT tractor engine concept.  (Convair/Bill Plumlee)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/B-36B1_zps77169140.jpg)(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/B-36B2_zps5a4d975f.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2013, 04:29:13 AM
So does anyone have drawings of the proposed installation of that huge Lycoming liquid-cooled radial engine (R7755) that was proposed for a B-36 upgrade.

Haven't heard of that proposal.  Will research more.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on November 17, 2013, 04:39:55 AM
Not as "high-tech" perhaps as eight XT35's, but eight XR7755's would have had the same horsepower and likely could've used the same propellers.  The radiators would've required soem nacelle design changes, but nothing major compared to what's already shown here.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 23, 2013, 04:32:17 AM
One to inspire Bill to consider a B-36 derived flying boat for his archipelago mega diorama ;):

Ditching Tests of a 1/20 Scale Model of an Army B-36 Airplane 1947 NACA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x2Ov-YZ1KA#)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on November 23, 2013, 04:00:13 PM
So does anyone have drawings of the proposed installation of that huge Lycoming liquid-cooled radial engine (R7755) that was proposed for a B-36 upgrade.

Haven't heard of that proposal.  Will research more.
From what I've read, the XR7755 was intended as the ultimate B-36 engine, but never finished development as the development of gas turbine engines eclipsed it.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on November 23, 2013, 11:42:04 PM
So does anyone have drawings of the proposed installation of that huge Lycoming liquid-cooled radial engine (R7755) that was proposed for a B-36 upgrade.

Haven't heard of that proposal.  Will research more.
From what I've read, the XR7755 was intended as the ultimate B-36 engine, but never finished development as the development of gas turbine engines eclipsed it.

That is an awesome motor Evan, seen a couple of pics of it.  IIRC, the power output was to be about 5000 -5500 hp but I've also read that some Napier Sabre VII's were bench tested to 5500 hp, an engine that was less than half the size and weighed way less.  I know they were only bench-tested but then the RR Eagle H24 wasn't  much bigger than the Sabre and fully developed was also rated at 5000 hp.  Was a fully developed XR7755 supposed to be much more powerful say up around 7000 hp ?
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on November 24, 2013, 01:34:09 AM
I'd reckon it likely could have been, but development was never completed.  Considering that it was liquid-cooled, I'd expect a fully developed R7755 to easily make 7000 hp once it was fully sorted out.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 24, 2013, 03:29:57 AM
Given the XR-7755 was bigger than the R-4360 in every dimension (length, diameter and most importantly weight (not including the cooling system as well)) I question if the XR-7755 would have reduced performance.  Though on the plus side, maybe it would have been more reliable in service.  Either way, I have searched my references and have not seen anything showing it.

Oh, BTW I have had the pleasure of seeing the XR-7755 in person... 8)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on November 27, 2013, 11:20:49 PM
And speaking of turboprop B-60s:

([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Escanear0029_zpsbec6c952.jpg[/url])


And this is coming closer to reality, I've got an XC-99 conversion and this nacelle already made up (top pic - for Lancaster AW Python FTB) and making a casting of it and modifying it a bit I could get a result -- then I got hold of a load of these contra-props not long ago, they're 15'-0" diameter and come off a 1/72 Convair Tradewind (bottom pic)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on September 07, 2014, 06:15:20 AM
(http://www.collectair.com/images/concairadb36.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on September 16, 2014, 07:51:27 AM
After seeing this:

Random Idea:  Mexican Air Force MiG-21 instead of F-5.  In this scheme:

([url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/F5_FAM_popocatepetl.jpg[/url])


Was thinking same scheme can be used on Mexican B-36 long loiter COIN aircraft.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 25, 2015, 02:35:02 AM
Bill's special stash recovery version...

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/B-36%2027_zps9n8su3et.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 17, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
Is there any other styrene model of b-36? apart from the 1/72-

I do remember other model. 1/44 or 1/288 may be.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on August 17, 2015, 10:13:43 AM
I believe Hobbycraft did a series of 1/144 B-36s.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on August 17, 2015, 10:23:34 AM
I believe Hobbycraft did a series of 1/144 B-36s.

Paging Dr. Bill. Paging Dr. Bill.  Please pick up the B-36 phone. 

Scalemates will get you all the makes and models.   
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: jcf on August 17, 2015, 10:42:33 AM
Hobby craft did indeed do a series of 1/144 B-36 kits, which all suffer from the same gigantor-sized mistake,
to whit: the wing is upside down.
When viewed from head-on the top surface of the B-36 wing is a straight line, parallel to the ground, and the bottom
surface angles up from the root to the tip, Hobbycraft got it backwards, on the kit the bottom surface describes
a straight line and the upper surface angles down from root to tip.

Aside from that minor detail :-X, the kits are nicely done. I have the FICON boxing which includes the trapeze, an XF-85
and an RF-84K.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on August 17, 2015, 12:03:41 PM
Have found B-36 kits in five scales.

1/72    Monogram-Revell
1/144  Hobby Craft
1/188-192  Revell    scale varies with source
1/333  Aurora    scale varies with source
1/700ish  Brothers Malka

All are out of production - bummer :(

Like to >someday< build all as 1/72 :-*

With recent wave of 1/48 kits.  Perhaps a B-36 kit.  Ideal for Greg's stash.

1/32 unlikely.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 18, 2015, 02:53:49 AM
Kind of surprised that Combat Models (http://combatmodels.us) don't do a 1/48 one given they already offer a 1/48 XB-35, XB-49 and other large kits...

There is this one (http://store.laser-design-services.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=225) available - though it isn't exactly a kit.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: jcf on August 18, 2015, 03:54:41 AM
Ummm, a 'kit' is exactly what it is, just not a static plastic model assembly kit.  ;D
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 19, 2015, 02:25:11 AM
Ummm, a 'kit' is exactly what it is, just not a static plastic model assembly kit.  ;D

Touché
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on August 19, 2015, 03:32:47 AM
taiidantomcat - Like the Convair advertisement you posted above - Thanks
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on August 19, 2015, 11:24:11 AM
Kind of surprised that Combat Models ([url]http://combatmodels.us[/url]) don't do a 1/48 one given they already offer a 1/48 XB-35, XB-49 and other large kits...


The last missive I received from Combat Models was that he has the masters for a 1/48 B-36 but doesn't think it will fit his vacuforming table!
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 11, 2015, 03:32:33 AM
What about a combination of the YB-60

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Convair_YB-60_040315-F-9999G-007.jpg/1008px-Convair_YB-60_040315-F-9999G-007.jpg)

with the nuclear powered X-6 (fully developed version without the props):

(http://jpcolliat.free.fr/x6/images/x6_19.jpg)

to give something like this:

(http://jpcolliat.free.fr/x6/images/x6_02.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 19, 2016, 04:56:03 AM
I think Bill (finsrin) needs to build this one:

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/1780762_1678055545782560_2128120133219430453_n.jpg?oh=add3587eb8726cc51320910813a705d0&oe=5752DFDC)

Source: Facebook: John's Aircraft & Armour Profile Page - Connestoga II
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 19, 2016, 05:10:50 AM
Random inspiration:

(http://www.air-and-space.com/nb52/Balls_Eight_History_of_the_Boeing_NB-52B_Stratofortress_Mothership_eBook-web-resources/image/sys447l_01_colorize_rev_20041222.png)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on March 19, 2016, 08:01:53 AM
OMG --- All this B-36 inspiration is splenderful. :-* :-* :-*

Even Constellation :-* fins on B-36 Guppy  :)

Could compel one to do a styrene allnighter !
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 19, 2016, 08:44:36 AM
And another one for you Bill. XC-99 + B-36 Wings and cockpit. Time to break out the Redbull.

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11231030_10208438510107013_340496491167349941_n.jpg?oh=dc27e37ab4a58cc49cc8ec0925326afe&oe=578F61BE)

Source: Facebook: John's Aircraft & Armour Profile Page
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 19, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
Perhaps, rather, a "Guppy-ized" C-99B production version or C-99C with B-60 wings and engines?
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on March 19, 2016, 11:55:37 AM
Have this - unreliable recollection - that somewhere sometime ago saw a vacuform 1/72 C-99.
Anyone heard of that or is it my foggy memory ?
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 19, 2016, 12:43:40 PM
ISTR that Execuform made one.  I doubt it would still be available.  There likely were others, but I don't remember.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on March 19, 2016, 01:29:40 PM
Have had this musing for 1/72 B-36 based airborne diorama build.  Aircraft are on posts above piece of plywood.  Can break it down and set up at model shows.
KB-36 built with donor parts from KC-97.  Refueling boom goes to B-10, while at same time probe-n-drogue refueling from each wing to a P-26.
Pick your paint scheme from 30s blue-yellow to modern low viz.

Cut out and fill in bombing radome.  Delete jet pods (use on other kitbash), hang KC-97 under wing tanks instead of jets with a drogue coming out of each tank.
A bit off kilter but fun.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 19, 2016, 07:00:36 PM
ISTR that Execuform made one.  I doubt it would still be available.  There likely were others, but I don't remember.

Your are right Evan:

(https://scalemates-31cf.kxcdn.com/products/img/7/6/5/204765-11104-65.jpg)

Scalemates (https://www.scalemates.com/kits/204765-execuform-convair-xc-99-conversion)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 19, 2016, 08:33:50 PM
ISTR that Execuform made one.  I doubt it would still be available.  There likely were others, but I don't remember.

Your are right Evan:

(https://scalemates-31cf.kxcdn.com/products/img/7/6/5/204765-11104-65.jpg)

Scalemates (https://www.scalemates.com/kits/204765-execuform-convair-xc-99-conversion)

Yep! and I've got one too.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 19, 2016, 08:36:51 PM
I've got this Contrail vacuform too  -- in 1/72

Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 20, 2016, 02:56:43 AM
There is/was also this 1/72 GHM conversion for the XC-99:

(http://oldmodelkits.com/jpegs/GHM%20XC-99.JPG)(http://thumbs.worthpoint.com/U-jQmv19cd5ZFw1OdSuCv3svlm4=/400x0/images/images2/360/0112/22/360_ff15d37cd7fb42044a6d16888366ba44.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 20, 2016, 02:57:23 AM

Yep! and I've got one too.

You might also want this set then:  https://www.click2detail.com/store/p32/1%3A72_XC-99_Detail_Set_%28early%29.html (https://www.click2detail.com/store/p32/1%3A72_XC-99_Detail_Set_%28early%29.html)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 20, 2016, 02:59:02 AM
Bill, you could also go the wood route:

(http://media.defense.gov/2012/Apr/09/2000162931/-1/-1/0/120409-F-XN622-005.JPG)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 20, 2016, 03:18:59 AM

Yep! and I've got one too.

You might also want this set then:  https://www.click2detail.com/store/p32/1%3A72_XC-99_Detail_Set_%28early%29.html (https://www.click2detail.com/store/p32/1%3A72_XC-99_Detail_Set_%28early%29.html)

Hmm! those look nice ----
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on March 20, 2016, 12:57:59 PM
Super interesting B-36 & C-99 postings. :)
Much appreciated.

Wonder if:
> PVC pipe would work for guppy top on B-36
> B-52 fuselage with cut off bottom or some ways up would work as raised top on B-36.  Use B-52 cockpit?
> Plastic tubing at craft stores that could be used as B-36 top section - dunno.
Worthy of research and consideration.

That guy is master craftsman at wood working.  Impressive !
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 20, 2016, 10:22:00 PM
Super interesting B-36 & C-99 postings. :)
Much appreciated.

Wonder if:
> PVC pipe would work for guppy top on B-36
> B-52 fuselage with cut off bottom or some ways up would work as raised top on B-36.  Use B-52 cockpit?
> Plastic tubing at craft stores that could be used as B-36 top section - dunno.
Worthy of research and consideration.


The length of PVC tubing that comes in the Contrail kit is supposed to be for stiffening the fuselage halves especially around the wing to fuselage joint. The kit styrene used by Contrail is very thin (looks about 1/2mm) so it's a good idea.  I'm not sure what industrial use the PVC would have been used for either because that is also very thin wall tubing.  I've not measured either the fuselage or tubing to see what diameter they are or how accurate it is scale wise.

Some other standard industrial pipe sizes work well as stiffeners if the correct size styrene is wrapped around it, I'm using some PVC as a stiffener for my Britannia to Yukon conversion where I need to add fuselage plugs either side of the wing. I will still need to wrap some thin styrene strip at the fuselage joints to bring it out to the right inside diameter though ---

Most PVC pipe has the same diameter as standard steel pipe although you can get round steel HSS with different O/D sizes but you need to measure them ---
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on March 21, 2016, 01:58:30 AM
Been looking at B-36 fuselage mods to make taller cargo version.  Checked out fuselages of various kits.

What looks most doable is using two kits worth of (K)C-97 upper fuselage sections.  Ending up with double bulge effect like C-97.  Tapering down to tail is biggest challenge.  Using lower half of C-97 fuselage where it tapers up to tail turned upside down on top of B-36 helps with good portion of that.  Am sure someone with better styrene skills than me can make it work.  I might be successful considering PBH-417 turned out OK.

 
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on December 30, 2016, 04:59:26 AM
(http://img00.deviantart.net/d357/i/2011/183/9/6/b_36_peacemaker_gun_test_by_kevinseniorof2013-d3ksp9m.jpg)

prototype B-52 front...

Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 29, 2017, 05:48:50 AM
What about a tanker KB-36?
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on April 29, 2017, 06:01:17 AM
What about a tanker KB-36?
Absolutely "Yes"
Been on planning desk for a long time. 
Picture this:  Inflight diorama of KB-36 refueling three B-10 at once or single B-17/24.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on April 29, 2017, 11:35:53 AM
Can build B-36 AWACS version.
EC-121 over/under radomes would be period correct.  E-2 E-3 could also be used.

USCG SAR 1960s version would have lots of range and time on station.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on April 29, 2017, 01:29:01 PM
Like I suggested earlier, a British AEW version of the B-36 with the huge fore and aft antennas as intended for their studied AEW Stratocruiser.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 09, 2017, 04:07:56 AM
New one for Bill.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on December 18, 2017, 02:09:43 AM
From Facebook:

(https://scontent.fyyz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/25395011_10155710806535272_608467201567095421_o.jpg?oh=7038df30445f043adac1316654e8fe28&oe=5ACFF834)

(https://scontent.fyyz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/25398428_10155710806520272_4466727087113374777_o.jpg?oh=85e0daac225a2535949d4ab438c04dfe&oe=5AD5B48D)

Builder: William Gilson
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 18, 2017, 02:14:28 AM
 :smiley:
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Kelmola on December 18, 2017, 02:34:19 AM
Nice. Would it actually have been possible to refurbish a few 36's from the Boneyard to perform the Arc Light missions over South Vietnam?
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on December 18, 2017, 06:34:58 AM
Glad to see B-36 Ideas & Inspiration thread pop up again.  Lost track of it during 1/1 car season of Spring-Summer.
BTS is ideal place to see autogiro/autogyro STOL mod demonstrated on aircraft of a builders choice.
Thatz a fine South Vietnam Arc Light B-36. :-*      So inspirational !
Remember reading magazine article back in the day where a boneyard B-50 was flown-tested for that kinda mission.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on December 18, 2017, 08:17:33 AM
Nice. Would it actually have been possible to refurbish a few 36's from the Boneyard to perform the Arc Light missions over South Vietnam?
Perhaps update the jet engines for better performance, either the paired J57's of the early B-52's or, if you were going for latest and greatest, the paired TF33's of a B-52H?  I could see other avionics and systems updates, too.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on December 18, 2017, 12:09:14 PM
Radome under B-36 can be painted silver or replaced with right shape piece of bubble wrap to be a laser dome.  Similar to cancelled 747 ABL but this one for less distant ground targets.  Power provided by fuselage perimeter turbines (4-6 T56?) fired up as needed per amount of power needed for particular targets.
Another variant of B-36 build to complement fine SEA B-36 thatz pictured.
Add one more to wanna build list !

Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on December 31, 2017, 04:20:50 AM
Via Alexander Fedosenko (https://www.facebook.com/alexander.fedosenko.1) on Facebook.

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26116426_1548923698525249_5562200639922233729_o.jpg?oh=222294d30ae452bb43c117e66cd4bce9&oe=5AB0FB30)

And a bonus XC-99.

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26170546_1548923788525240_409357802322623121_o.jpg?oh=9174e52f84f84a662ba51c88fa890b1a&oe=5ABE535E)

Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on April 03, 2018, 11:54:47 AM
Well, it's more of a B-36 derivative idea, but there apparently was a study done of converting the X-3 for air launch from a XB-60 (apparently gave better clearance than being carried under a B-52 wing).  I could see a NACA/NASA-marked B-60 carrying a manned X-3 or a USAF one carrying an AGM derived from the X-3, but, say, with better engines.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on September 24, 2018, 03:14:36 PM
Well there was a turboprop variant (or sorts - actually the VDT which doesn't use a Gas turbine per sae) - the B-36C:

([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/F111/B36Cinfo2.png[/url])
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/F111/B36Cinfo.jpg[/url])

Regards,

Greg

P.S. I have renamed this thread to "B-36 Ideas & Inspiration" so as to encompass all B-36 ideas, not just the racing ones...despite how cool that it.


Six 1/72 A400 engines could be adapted to front of B-36 wing.  OH,,, would like to do that !
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on November 09, 2018, 08:01:44 PM
Options for a member-who-shall-not-be-named.  ;)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4813/31923544038_cd2d9448e0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QCYvrG)
RCAF-CP-36A-02 (https://flic.kr/p/QCYvrG) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4905/43977885850_6d8f5cd8af_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2a1baid)
RCAF-CP-36A-01 (https://flic.kr/p/2a1baid) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr

PS: I forgot to specify USN markings so default was RCAF
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 10, 2018, 02:31:20 AM
 :smiley:
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on November 10, 2018, 08:46:21 AM
Of course  --  Is those B-36 transferred to Canada for maritime/ASW when SAC was replacing with B-52.  USN also received them.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on November 10, 2018, 12:40:48 PM
The USN one would be their PB5Y's?
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on September 27, 2019, 06:48:48 AM
(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71051933_2351157838482641_2271542661653463040_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_eui2=AeEnyNwCFpSM4vvEz6oPGyvESg_94RV-z38gbUtiLwvy9m7AVAwbsW1fJVIbmYZvm6fxQdswjzhBGTcUMC6p8yEvV8hfeHyUUKsrE6BKNoba9g&_nc_oc=AQnT7RN18_25fGKn8OjZgwXYIFAlKULOq-GT_7ksO6EQn2BCbzRmkRgc3qCbS9s8eFU&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=4a59e30ad70cdbd4e4aee1bbf0691fd3&oe=5E0134AC)

A kit Bill would kill for! (if it was made). It's fan art.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on September 27, 2019, 08:04:58 AM
Beautiful awe inspiring box top.  :-*
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Dr. YoKai on October 08, 2019, 08:07:23 AM
(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71051933_2351157838482641_2271542661653463040_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_eui2=AeEnyNwCFpSM4vvEz6oPGyvESg_94RV-z38gbUtiLwvy9m7AVAwbsW1fJVIbmYZvm6fxQdswjzhBGTcUMC6p8yEvV8hfeHyUUKsrE6BKNoba9g&_nc_oc=AQnT7RN18_25fGKn8OjZgwXYIFAlKULOq-GT_7ksO6EQn2BCbzRmkRgc3qCbS9s8eFU&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=4a59e30ad70cdbd4e4aee1bbf0691fd3&oe=5E0134AC)

A kit Bill would kill for! (if it was made). It's fan art.

I gather there was a conversion kit from Combat Models, but I'm told it was pretty weak.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on October 08, 2019, 08:33:09 AM
At Seattle IPMS show couple years back found 1/72 C-99 fuselage.  Mix it with B-36 main and tail wings. 
Was a SURPRISE find I did not know existed.  Is in stash.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on October 08, 2019, 10:42:02 AM
Now, if you could only find a YB-60 conversion and combine them...
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on October 08, 2019, 10:08:06 PM
At Seattle IPMS show couple years back found 1/72 C-99 fuselage.  Mix it with B-36 main and tail wings. 
Was a SURPRISE find I did not know existed.  Is in stash.

I've got one of those too Bill, and then someone helped me out with a wrecked B-36 they had (which had most of the parts that are needed).
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on November 11, 2019, 02:47:40 PM
B-36 news  ---  Vintage Revell kit reissue in 2020.  :icon_surprised:

https://www.culttvmanshop.com/B-36-Peacemaker-with-Swivel-Stand-1184--Revell-reissue-from-Atlantis--PREORDER-RESERVATION-_p_4916.html (https://www.culttvmanshop.com/B-36-Peacemaker-with-Swivel-Stand-1184--Revell-reissue-from-Atlantis--PREORDER-RESERVATION-_p_4916.html)

Seeing kit referred to as both 1/181 and 1/184.  Not to be fretting/worrying over discrepancy.  Go ahead and enjoy kit.  Select your own scale reality and go with it.

Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on December 22, 2019, 01:18:48 PM
Histogram of 1954 onward B-36 boxes.   Scroll down.

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/atlantis-h205-b-36-jet-prop-bomber--1240931 (https://www.scalemates.com/kits/atlantis-h205-b-36-jet-prop-bomber--1240931)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on March 29, 2020, 04:23:10 PM
Atlantis has released the vintage formerly Revell 1/184 B-36 kit.   Have one 1/72 kit-bash figured out.

Attached pictures are study of box sizes.   Easily put two kits in one Atlantis box.   Probably three.   Save stash storage space.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 09, 2020, 03:52:58 AM
Random inspiration:

([url]http://www.air-and-space.com/nb52/Balls_Eight_History_of_the_Boeing_NB-52B_Stratofortress_Mothership_eBook-web-resources/image/sys447l_01_colorize_rev_20041222.png[/url])


More on this:

(https://www.air-and-space.com/nb52/NA55-221%20B-36%20mothershhip%20for%20X-15%20left%20side%20loading%20solid%20ramp%20l.jpg)
(https://www.air-and-space.com/nb52/NA55-221%20B-36%20mothershhip%20for%20X-15%20left%20side%20loading%20cutaway%20ramp%20l.jpg)
(https://www.air-and-space.com/nb52/sys447l%2002%20l.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: jcf on April 14, 2020, 02:18:08 AM
The Republic or Bell competitor for the X-15 would look more appropriate under a B-36.

(http://www.sierrafoot.org/x-15/50/Republic_X-15_design_model_1_large.jpg)
(http://www.sierrafoot.org/x-15/50/Republic_X-15_design_model_2_large.jpg)
Republic

(http://www.sierrafoot.org/x-15/50/Bell_X-15_design_model_large.jpg)
(http://www.sierrafoot.org/x-15/50/Bell_X-15_design_model_2_large.jpg)
Bell

http://www.sierrafoot.org/x-15/50/X-15_50_550509.html (http://www.sierrafoot.org/x-15/50/X-15_50_550509.html)

Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: The Rat on April 14, 2020, 03:33:09 AM
This is along the lines of what I was going to suggest. Go the B-29 to Stratocruiser route; double-bubble fuselage, and keep the wing 'as is', including 6-turning 4-burning. It would look great in BOAC livery.

Jet version of C-99. This is not mine:
([url]http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/C-99_jet.png[/url]) ([url]http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/C-99_jet.png.html[/url])

Liner version of B-60. This is mine:
([url]http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Convair_YB-60_liner.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Convair_YB-60_liner.jpg.html[/url])
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 21, 2020, 03:33:33 AM
YB-60 in construction:

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/yb-60-number-2-in-an-airplane-hanger-j-jpg.354370/?temp_hash=b088233789670f8f60588b3309542bf5)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 19, 2020, 03:04:07 AM
(https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C5622AQET16hm0jxQAw/feedshare-shrink_800/0?e=1595462400&v=beta&t=SiN57caf5gdyx8G9qSVC-CeTkGdKiAsK4Wl0vxzlmt4)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on August 04, 2020, 03:08:15 PM
For those who never saw this and for those who like seeing it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1-urTRxeEM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1-urTRxeEM)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on August 05, 2020, 10:16:16 AM
For those who never saw this and for those who like seeing it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1-urTRxeEM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1-urTRxeEM)
INteresting, it's clearly from Carswell Field, but from long ago, and they take off to the South.  The superhighway that is now I-30 appears to be there, but not Loop 820 on the north side of Lake Worth.  it's also fascinating to compare what was there then with what's there now.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Frank3k on August 05, 2020, 12:22:06 PM
"Strategic Command" is such a good movie! B-36 porn and B-47 drama!
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on August 08, 2020, 03:49:26 PM
Via Alexander Fedosenko (https://www.facebook.com/alexander.fedosenko.1) on Facebook.

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26116426_1548923698525249_5562200639922233729_o.jpg?oh=222294d30ae452bb43c117e66cd4bce9&oe=5AB0FB30)

And a bonus XC-99.

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26170546_1548923788525240_409357802322623121_o.jpg?oh=9174e52f84f84a662ba51c88fa890b1a&oe=5ABE535E)

Very impressive 😯

MAD
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on August 08, 2020, 03:52:31 PM
"Strategic Command" is such a good movie! B-36 porn and B-47 drama!

Yes, indeed Frank3k
I don't smoke, but at the end of the movie, I needed a smoke and a fifteen minute rest, before I could watch the next movie!😉😂😂

MAD
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on August 08, 2020, 04:02:06 PM
Remember first time saw movie.  Watched it, stayed through other feature and watch it again.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Frank3k on August 09, 2020, 02:01:49 AM
Luckily, it was on TCM when I still had cable and I was able to record it from the cable box via the Firewire port. Not 4K quality like the clip, but still good plane porn. Lots of famous/familiar faces in it and Jimmy Stewart was in the AF reserve.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on August 23, 2020, 05:25:48 AM
Looking at B-36 and B-52 from estate models.   Like to modify B-36 wing as in picture.   Cut out part of B-52 wing as leading strake on B-36.   Need to use fairly thick donor wing which now have.   Most B-36 props broken so open up intakes and convert to six in wing jets.   Remove jet pods.   Repaint.   Needs close study.   ~350 mph cruise?   ~450 mph max?

see attached
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Frank3k on August 23, 2020, 07:31:28 AM
With that wing, it could be a British heavy bomber! Big brother to the Valiant or even the Victor.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Valiant_B1_Silh.jpg/220px-Valiant_B1_Silh.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 08, 2021, 02:11:53 AM
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xJchFWPgZcQ/WQ_eNHbYXuI/AAAAAAAAIsU/YQzSeS-xSVQlU6sDArC13T9eeyCCJ8WIgCLcB/s1600/B-36%2Bbuzzes%2BElgin%2BPark.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCViKu9XlbQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCViKu9XlbQ)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 09, 2021, 01:02:42 AM
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-206SQp2feXc/YMcJFUoEpnI/AAAAAAAAJsg/hAFhRCBXbo8o5L670cpYP_eQ2qS4MqgOACLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/129370826_10218671869571309_3840%2B%2B%255Br%255D%2B.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Story on December 09, 2021, 02:54:16 AM
Hail Hydra
(https://i.imgur.com/69EEK7Y.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on April 18, 2022, 08:37:56 AM
Now here is a great idea for a what if scaled model of a B-36!
Found this impressive proposal for the instillation of not one  but two Bell MX-776 (GAM-63 Rascal) missiles on the B-36 at Secret Projects Forum😯👍

MAD
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on April 18, 2022, 11:58:53 AM
Well, apparently the what if of Bell MX-776 (GAM-63 Rascal) - B-36 Instillation was a real and tested thing.....but perhaps not the two Rascal's per B-36 configuration 🤔

MAD
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 25, 2022, 03:09:18 AM
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/1650749331753-png.665570/)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 21, 2023, 02:53:17 AM
Inspiration of anyone wants to super detail:

(https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D4E22AQGf3gJvpbu-hQ/feedshare-shrink_2048_1536/0/1689837190323?e=1692835200&v=beta&t=bgmoSkzy4CXmD2v3P10XNSYp3Hqfk41JIc898ogc09M)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Old Wombat on July 21, 2023, 06:08:28 PM
Ye-ah! Nah! :-\ ;)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on July 22, 2023, 04:51:51 AM
Has anyone ever seen anything about how Lycoming's R7755 would have been installed in the B-36?
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 23, 2023, 02:19:03 AM
Has anyone ever seen anything about how Lycoming's R7755 would have been installed in the B-36?

I haven't seen anything but given it was longer (3.082m vs 2.6m) and heavier (2,740 kg vs 1,690 kg) than the B-36's normal R-4360s it could have been interesting to fit.  I presume more would have to be inside the wing.  Mind you, that could have proven challenging:

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/handbook-grb-36d-iii-10-11-l-jpg.555227/)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on July 23, 2023, 04:13:04 AM
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xJchFWPgZcQ/WQ_eNHbYXuI/AAAAAAAAIsU/YQzSeS-xSVQlU6sDArC13T9eeyCCJ8WIgCLcB/s1600/B-36%2Bbuzzes%2BElgin%2BPark.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCViKu9XlbQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCViKu9XlbQ)

Gettin picky  ---  Left margin of picture says MAR 53 while car on right is a 54 Chev.   Splendid picture anyway  :-*
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 12, 2023, 11:40:11 AM
What if YB-60 entered in service and several years later a powerplant update was applied?

BTW: I think that tailfin is quite oversized in this plane. What do you think?

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/alt-B-60_gKekUAe2mnF4rX3C7bUQcx.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/alt-B-60_gKekUAe2mnF4rX3C7bUQcx.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on October 12, 2023, 01:16:10 PM
Great profile and concept   :smiley:
Inspirational for B-36 kitbashing.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: Story on October 13, 2023, 08:17:42 AM
I'd recently tripped over three built 1/72nd Monogram models good for salvage; a B-36 and two B-29s for $50 (before shipping), if anyone's a glutton for projects.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 22, 2023, 02:47:13 AM
https://youtu.be/1CtLCeBkdHM?si=HZlliWcxbkjNvbZ6
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on November 24, 2023, 07:54:04 AM
Found that forward fuselage sections of Amodel Bison and Monogram B-36 are so near same diameter as to be interchangeable.   Hmmm....
Is counter intuitive.
Title: Re: B-36 Ideas & Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on December 24, 2023, 11:06:49 AM
At stash today so did a B-36 count.
1/72 kits > 47
1/72 built/used (donors) > 5
1/144 kits > 13
1/184 Kits > 12