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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #450 on: April 22, 2023, 02:44:14 PM »
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #451 on: May 01, 2023, 06:29:45 PM »
With the Mirages essentially being light combatants, perhaps a French version of the F-4E as a heavy fighter?  ATAR 9K50s replacing J79s, the twin DEFA installation the Israelis trialed instead of the M61m either a probe plugged into the flying boom receptacle to use probe and drogue refueling or a switch to the retractible probe USN Pahmtoms used.  Radar coule either remain SU-source or Thompson-CSF could develop a version of an existing radar to fit.  On the outboard hardpoints, Matra JL100 combined rocket pod and feul tank units, centerline using Matra's combined fuel tank and MER installation with other French hardware on the inboard stores pylons.

Not that far fetched.  In March of 1963, McDonnell had tried to interest the RAAF in a version of the F-4C (Model 98DX) powered by a pair of French-built SNECMA Atar 9 turbojets. This engine was picked because it powered the Dassault Mirage IIIO fighters that were already being flown by the RAAF.

And once again for inspiration:



Could you imagine how woeful the Atar 9 Phantom would be for deck operations?

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #452 on: May 02, 2023, 07:01:51 AM »
With the Mirages essentially being light combatants, perhaps a French version of the F-4E as a heavy fighter?  ATAR 9K50s replacing J79s, the twin DEFA installation the Israelis trialed instead of the M61m either a probe plugged into the flying boom receptacle to use probe and drogue refueling or a switch to the retractible probe USN Pahmtoms used.  Radar coule either remain SU-source or Thompson-CSF could develop a version of an existing radar to fit.  On the outboard hardpoints, Matra JL100 combined rocket pod and feul tank units, centerline using Matra's combined fuel tank and MER installation with other French hardware on the inboard stores pylons.

Not that far fetched.  In March of 1963, McDonnell had tried to interest the RAAF in a version of the F-4C (Model 98DX) powered by a pair of French-built SNECMA Atar 9 turbojets. This engine was picked because it powered the Dassault Mirage IIIO fighters that were already being flown by the RAAF.

And once again for inspiration:



Could you imagine how woeful the Atar 9 Phantom would be for deck operations?
My take was the ATAR 9K50 Phantom for land-based AdA use rather than Aeronavale use.  You'd need the extra power of J79s for shipboard operation.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #453 on: May 02, 2023, 01:07:45 PM »

Real world, Australia ordered two modified Charles F Adams Class DDGs from the US and planned to fit Tartar to their Battle (2) and Daring (3) Class Destroyers (cancelled) before ordering a third CFA (fourth proposed but not ordered). 

I may have asked this before, but has anyone seen or got real-world drawings and or artistic profiles of the said  Battle and Daring Class Destroyers equipped with Tartar launchers?

MAD

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #454 on: May 02, 2023, 05:51:58 PM »
Rough and ready Shipbucket mash up.



The Tartar launcher magazine is roughly the same depth as the Mk6 4.5 inch turret, so I've just swapped them over and added the SPG-51 in place of the rear WM20.

I have no doubt that it wouldn't have been that simple in real life!

Mark


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #455 on: May 02, 2023, 11:13:57 PM »
Um, Jonesy, what part of that is an F-4 Phantom? ???



[Note: M.A.D's quote comes from a much longer, F-4 oriented post by Volkodav.]
« Last Edit: May 02, 2023, 11:17:52 PM by Old Wombat »
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #456 on: May 03, 2023, 12:21:40 AM »
Sorry - Obviously wasn't thinking straight when I posted  :o :-\

Can we move my response to somewhere more fiting?

Or i can add some F4 wings on the side of the Daring, and perhaps the F4E gun nose............

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #457 on: May 03, 2023, 09:10:00 AM »
My apologies Old Wombat- my bad.
Thank you for the cool profile Mark and my apologies for getting you in the shit mate for your kind gesture.

MAD
« Last Edit: May 03, 2023, 09:43:50 AM by M.A.D »

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #458 on: May 03, 2023, 11:25:26 AM »
Who said he's in the shit? ???

I just thought it would be polite to point out that the post was not really on topic for this thread. :smiley:

It would be more appropriate somewhere on this board: https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?board=23.0



As I'm not a Mod I can't move it for you, though. ;)
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #459 on: May 03, 2023, 04:19:23 PM »
Who said he's in the shit? ???

I was figuratively speaking Old Wombat

MAD

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #460 on: May 27, 2023, 09:51:03 PM »
As per usual it's my fault.  I mentioned the proposed DDG conversion of the Daring and Battles in my earlier post about the RAN plans for a new carrier and Phantoms in 1960s

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #461 on: July 02, 2023, 02:33:30 AM »
Another random idea:  Indian Air Force or Indian Navy F-4s???




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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #462 on: December 03, 2023, 02:49:37 PM »
Phantom Dagger


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #463 on: December 03, 2023, 04:15:32 PM »
Most excellent  :smiley:

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #464 on: December 13, 2023, 12:43:26 PM »
;D ;D ;D ;D


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #465 on: December 13, 2023, 04:30:54 PM »
Enhanced stealth Phantom.   :smiley:  A kitbash challenge.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #466 on: December 13, 2023, 07:49:14 PM »
I sooooooooooo like this!!!!!  :-*
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #467 on: December 16, 2023, 06:25:39 AM »
Cheers,
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #468 on: December 28, 2023, 01:23:35 AM »
Phantomskhoi


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #469 on: January 06, 2024, 09:13:08 AM »
2 ways to merge Typhoon and Phantom


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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #470 on: January 13, 2024, 02:17:13 PM »
Just brutal!  8)

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